Sci-Fi Dune

[DarthSkywalker]

If they werent committed to shooting both back to back from the start they had no business splitting the story in two. Not after what happened with Blade Runner 2049.

Yes, Dune is a foundational scifi book, but its niche as hell these days
Its heady and weird. Kids today are not dying for a Dune film or a revival. At most the 20 and younger audience knows only Lynch's awful film and that's going to bias them against this. Denise Villeneuve is not a house hold name, and his last film was a 165 minute slooooowwwww burn, and his other films are also pretty slow, so his name is not going to be exciting the young or general audience.

The reaction and turnout could completely astound, but frankly I think this wont make more than $500 million. And I think the budget and marketing costs will eat most of the box office up and it might not even break even.

Long story short, we're probably going to be stuck with only part 1 and half a story.

How dare you forget the awesome pair of mini-series?

 

[Sawyer]

BR2049s marketing revolved around nostalgia for a cult film that underperformed back when it came out. Alcon hugely over estimated the size of the BR fanbase. And it didn't help that they didn't even reveal the movie was about a replicant Gosling. Even though it was revealed in the first five minutes of the film. The trailers and marketing never gave it away. If Dune follows that close to the vest marketing....might not be a good idea.

That’s what I keep coming back to. Like yeah, success isn’t guaranteed here and this can easily go the way of Blade Runner, but I feel like Dune does have a slight edge in that this (presumably) approaches the material through a fresh set of eyes, rather than being a direct follow-up of a 35 year old movie that, as much as we may love, perhaps never graduated from “cult classic” to just plain “classic”.

 

[MOVIELORD101]

Been looking at the release list for this year and there's actually something you guys are forgetting to notice that might work in this movie's favor: there aren't really any big blockbusters to get in the way this December. Yeah, Paramount has The Tomorrow War, but that's filming right now and we don't know what's that's gonna be like, so the only movie this has any competition against is Spielberg's West Side Story remake. Disney doesn't have any big thing like Star Wars this year for that month and the rest of the releases are kids movies like The Croods 2 and WB's Tom and Jerry. So this might be another Aquaman situation where WB's tactfully struck gold already, but we'll see.

Also, people are saying the book has more of a "Lord of the Rings in space" feel to it and THAT might benefit this. Y'all keep saying how the book has little action, but bear in mind so did Lord of the Rings. There's action scenes, yes, but there's a TON that happens between those points in PJ's films and the books, so perhaps that'll help audiences know what to expect.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That’s what I keep coming back to. Like yeah, success isn’t guaranteed here and this can easily go the way of Blade Runner, but I feel like Dune does have a slight edge in that this (presumably) approaches the material through a fresh set of eyes, rather than being a direct follow-up of a 35 year old movie that, as much as we may love, perhaps never graduated from “cult classic” to just plain “classic”.

I hope you are right. But my question then is, what is the hook? What is the selling point?

 

[Roose Bolton]

“SAND WORMS Y’ALL”

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Been looking at the release list for this year and there's actually something you guys are forgetting to notice that might work in this movie's favor: there aren't really any big blockbusters to get in the way this December. Yeah, Paramount has The Tomorrow War, but that's filming right now and we don't know what's that's gonna be like, so the only movie this has any competition against is Spielberg's West Side Story remake. Disney doesn't have any big thing like Star Wars this year for that month and the rest of the releases are kids movies like The Croods 2 and WB's Tom and Jerry. So this might be another Aquaman situation where WB's tactfully struck gold already, but we'll see.

Also, people are saying the book has more of a "Lord of the Rings in space" feel to it and THAT might benefit this. Y'all keep saying how the book has little action, but bear in mind so did Lord of the Rings. There's action scenes, yes, but there's a TON that happens between those points in PJ's films and the books, so perhaps that'll help audiences know what to expect.

LotR is an all time nerd property. Nothing supplanted it, in it's space. Dune is the geeky version of Star Wars, which is already the nerd property of choice. I'd also say Dune isn't really like LotR. Dune is far closer to something like Blade Runner then Lord of the Rings.

Now there being clear air, might help. But that does not guarantee anything. Because usually what happens when there are no proper big releases, is the box office is down.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

“SAND WORMS Y’ALL”

The most memorable line in the book, from when Chani first sees Paul naked.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I don't think this will be a box office hit to be honest. I'm hoping to be wrong. This will still be a great flick tho. Villeneuve is a guarantee for me.

 

[Sawyer]

I hope you are right. But my question then is, what is the hook? What is the selling point?

I was about to say “the tousle-haired twink everyone has been losing their minds over since the peach-****ing movie”, but people were horny for Gosling too, so that might not be it...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I was about to say “the tousle-haired twink everyone has been losing their minds over since the peach-****ing movie”, but people were horny for Gosling too, so that might not be it...

I love that we don't came up with answers involving Tim and his sexy peach. But of course only Sawyer had the guts to post it.

 

[Deck Rickard]

“SAND WORMS Y’ALL”

This needs to be the official tag line.

 

[Gothamsknight]

just started watching the original Dune. Im new to this series haha.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Dune is no way a geeky version of Star Wars. They have nothing in common but space and an Emperor.
People say (at least I do) that Dune is Lotr in space because both authors created a rich and detailed universe with no no-sense stuff.

The selling point : a galaxy spanning civilisation, Dune landscape and its secrets, low technology, humans relaying on their superior intelligence and abilities because there is no computer.

 

[MOVIELORD101]

If this is the trailer music, I will f-ing SQUEAL. ESPECIALLY that end bit:

 

[:eek:]

Dune is no way a geeky version of Star Wars. They have nothing in common but space and an Emperor.
People say (at least I do) that Dune is Lotr in space because both authors created a rich and detailed universe with no no-sense stuff.

The spelling point : a galaxy spanning civilisation, Dune landscape and its secrets, low technology, humans relaying on their superior intelligence and abilities because there is no computer.

Dune the novel was out in 1965 I think, so it's not any kind of "version of Star Wars". If anything it should be that Star Wars is this or that version of Dune.

 

[Sithborg]

I was about to say “the tousle-haired twink everyone has been losing their minds over since the peach-****ing movie”, but people were horny for Gosling too, so that might not be it...

So, it sounds like it was a good thing my first exposure to Chalamet was in Little Women...

 

[Schlosser85]

I didn’t like him in Little Women. He seemed kind of miscast.

 

[Marvolo]

If you want to understand Chalamet's potential as Paul in Dune go watch The King on Netflix.

 

[Marvolo]

If this is the trailer music, I will f-ing SQUEAL. ESPECIALLY that end bit:

This would be more appropriate for a full trailer. The first teaser will probably be reserved like the BR49 teaser.

 

[MOVIELORD101]

This would be more appropriate for a full trailer. The first teaser will probably be reserved like the BR49 teaser.

Fair point, but i at least wanna see Paul, Gurney, the Baron and at least one sandworm in the teaser trailer.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I think the new movie should separate itself from the Lynch version. Means it shouldn't homage or use music from that movie.

 

[DarkKnight88]

at least one sandworm in the teaser trailer.

I’m sure that’s their big money shot for the teaser ending on a sandworm screaming towards camera.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I'd prefer just a glimpse at the two opposing houses for a teaser. Group or individual shots of Atreides and Harkonnen. Dying to see the costumes, make up and interiors. And cinematography.

Or maybe it will be some exterior shot of the planet with a tease of Shai-hulud.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's a clear possibility that this won't make a lot of money, but I do think it will perform clearly better than BR2049 since, while it certainly isn't a film for the masses, it had terrible marketing. Better marketing and probably a property that's still at least slightly more mass appealing than BR points upwards, but whether it's enough to not lose money on what's likely a pretty big budget film is a tough question.

How did Blade Runner 2049 have terrible marketing? They gave it a huge push.

 

[TheVileOne]

I mean Dune did the whole space opera thing before Star Wars did and made it cool for films.

Yes they are very different like night and day. But I think similarities are sort of the mythology and world building around them. Frank Herbert didn't just create a sci-fi story, he created a whole mythology, a whole history. Every concept every idea is sort of thought out and has an explanation.