Dutch Government attempting to ban Burkas, muslim face covering

[Crowforge]

It's a fair question, just visiting there and you're expected to conform but they have a fit if the same is expected of them

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Heck...they make our women cover up when they go over there!! So they need to respect western culture to a degree as well.

I thought western culture was all about "freedom" (patent pending U.S. government) wouldn't "freedom" include going around covered up if you so please???????

 

[Sandman138]

It's a fair question, just visiting there and you're expected to conform but they have a fit if the same is expected of them

Conform to what exactly? Western culture is pretty diverse.

 

[hippy fascist]

I thought western culture was all about "freedom" (patent pending U.S. government) wouldn't "freedom" include going around covered up if you so please???????

THAT'S WHAT THE TERRORISTS WANT YOU TO THINK!

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

actually the purpose of these veils is to oppress women in countries where the government is extremist muslim. These women have become so brainwashed that they finally arrive in a free country, they have been conditioned to the point where they still think they are obliged to wear it.

It's part of the reason islam gets a name for being mysogenistic. I think they should be banned and to call it religious oppression is ridiculous. The Quran (based on what I have discussed with muslim friends) never mentions these head scarfs. It simply says women should dress modestly

The sole purpose of these things is to delegate women to second class citizens and take away any element of self confidence they may have.

They SHOULD be banned and I can't wait for this to come to the UK. Women should be treated as equals no matter what religion they are.
I wonder how long these would last under a female led government...

A scarf is required, I don't know what muslim friends you have been talking to.

 

[hippy fascist]

A scarf is required, I don't know what muslim friends you have been talking to.

but not the veil...

 

[Mr Sparkle]

so dressing like a **** is a sign of self confidence?
I thought it was the other way around

 

[War Lord]

but not the veil...

One man's burkha is another man's scarf.

 

[hippy fascist]

so dressing like a **** is a sign of self confidence?
I thought it was the other way around

not covering every millimetre of visible flesh does not make a person a ****. Jesus by you're definition lindsey lohan is a ****...oh wait

 

[hippy fascist]

look, proof positive that different faiths can integrate with other cultures. Half chav half sikh!

 

[Mr Sparkle]

not covering every millimetre of visible flesh does not make a person a ****. Jesus by you're definition lindsey lohan is a ****...oh wait

no, don't get me wrong.
I think Burkas ARE opressive.
I also think that they have little to do with self confidence.
but there are many things about religions in the west that are also opressive.
so, western culture supossedly based on freedom and such, Banning burkas seems dumb.
I fail to see how one form of opression is better than another.

 

[hippy fascist]

no, don't get me wrong.
I think Burkas ARE opressive.
I also think that they have little to do with self confidence.
but there are many things about religions in the west that are also opressive.
so, western culture supossedly based on freedom and such, Banning burkas seems dumb.
I fail to see how one form of opression is better than another.

Ok a girl who works for british airways recently got told remove that cross you're wearing or find another job. Yet hindu's and sikh's are allowed to wear turbans/bangles. If this was about not wearing crucifixes in public there would be no issue but because it's muslim's suddenly it's a hate crime. We need to get away from this concept of "if you're in a minority any criticism is a hate-crime". No-one can deny that in the modern world (western at least) people in the majority have a HARDER time and LESS rights than minorities. If an asian lad get's beaten up by white kids it's automatically a race-related issue whereas if an asian lad kicks crap out a white kid it's just a fight.

We need to stop this concept of one rule for some and another for others and level the playing field a little. We had the right idea with the civil rights movement/promoting equality, but the reality is that thanks to *****es like Michael Moore we've swung too far in the opposite direction. Martin Luther King spoke of all people as equals, not more rights for this group than that one...

 

[Darthphere]

look, proof positive that different faiths can integrate with other cultures. Half chav half sikh!

Thats someone I want to hang out with.

 

[hippy fascist]

Thats someone I want to hang out with.

Indeed, check out the bling bling!

 

[Mr Sparkle]

If this was about not wearing crucifixes in public there would be no issue but because it's muslim's suddenly it's a hate crime. We need to get away from this concept of "if you're in a minority any criticism is a hate-crime". No-one can deny that in the modern world (western at least) people in the majority have a HARDER time and LESS rights than minorities.

I can deny this, rather emphatically.
this mentality you mention, doesn't exist. what laws do not apply to minorities in the western world I might ask?
what criticisms have been branded hate crimes?

 

[hippy fascist]

I can deny this, rather emphatically.
this mentality you mention, doesn't exist. what laws do not apply to minorities in the western world I might ask?
what criticisms have been branded hate crimes?

Two words, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION

 

[Darthphere]

Indeed, check out the bling bling!

The cellphone around his neck seals the deal.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Two words, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION

do you really think that affirmative action has made easier to be a minority than it is to be white?
could I know of the criticisms that have been branded hate crimes?

 

[hippy fascist]

come to england, studies have shown that officers are affraid to report an asian/black person for a race-crime for fear of A) Not being taken seriously B) Getting it turned back round on them

Really, let's be honest here, two people come up to you and claim they're the victim of rascism, one white and one black, who will your first instincts pick...

 

[Mr Sparkle]

come to england, studies have shown that officers are affraid to report an asian/black person for a race-crime for fear of A) Not being taken seriously B) Getting it turned back round on them

Really, let's be honest here, two people come up to you and claim they're the victim of rascism, one white and one black, who will your first instincts pick...

dood, I'm Mexican and logical
so, either would seem believabe, as to who is more likely to face racism in everyday life?
I'm going to go ahead and say the black guy.

 

[celldog]

no, don't get me wrong.
I think Burkas ARE opressive.
I also think that they have little to do with self confidence.
but there are many things about religions in the west that are also opressive.
so, western culture supossedly based on freedom and such, Banning burkas seems dumb.
I fail to see how one form of opression is better than another.

No one is "totally" free, Sparkie!! My freedoms end where the the safety and security of others are involved!! No one can just do what ever they want all the the time!

A burka is something that a terrorist could "exploit" to a very diastrous end!! They don't have a problem doing that kind of thing or haven't you heard??? Since Islamic women are getting into the action nowadays, we need to see faces!!

 

[Mr Sparkle]

No one is "totally" free, Sparkie!! My freedoms end where the the safety and security of others are involved!! No one can just do what ever they want all the the time!

A burka is something that a terrorist could "exploit" to a very diastrous end!! They don't have a problem doing that kind of thing or haven't you heard??? Since Islamic women are getting into the action nowadays, we need to see faces!!

anything is "exploitable" for terrorism, or haven't YOU heard?
do you really think that a suicide bomber cares if you see his face or not?
it's the last thing you'll see anyway.
for that matter hasidic jews are hard to tell apart because of their heavy bears and locks ( I don't know exactly what those are called) and distintinctive hats. be outraged about that.

matisyahu is up to something :shiftyeyes:

puh-leese.

 

[celldog]

anything is "exploitable" for terrorism, or haven't YOU heard?
do you really think that a suicide bomber cares if you see his face or not?
it's the last thing you'll see anyway.
for that matter hasidic jews are hard to tell apart because of their heavy bears and locks ( I don't know exactly what those are called) and distintinctive hats. be outraged about that.

matisyahu is up to something :shiftyeyes:

puh-leese.

Not even a close comparison Sparkie.

A hat and beard versus a full Spiderman mask??????? Now you're just being silly.

 

[hippy fascist]

Not even a close comparison Sparkie.

A hat and beard versus a full Spiderman mask??????? Now you're just being silly.

I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH CELLDOG!

Seriously man walk down the street past some cops in a balaclava and see what happens

Also if anything is acceptable for religious reasons why can rastas still get arrested for smoking weed

Soooooooooo many smilies

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Not even a close comparison Sparkie.

A hat and beard versus a full Spiderman mask??????? Now you're just being silly.

no, celldog , it's a beard, a mustache, long locks on the side of your head, a hat, and in most cases glasses. I know you're not into hating jews (just yet) but no, it's not as simple as you thought.
I'm sorry if you can't see how easy it would be to "exploit" this.
nice try on the sidestep though (not really).

(lol, spiderman mask)