EA Loses NCAA License!

[Matt]

I disagree. No money should be paid to players. They get hundreds of thousands (if not millions) in terms of exposure and free education, room, board and books.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

I disagree. No money should be paid to players. They get hundreds of thousands (if not millions) in terms of exposure and free education, room, board and books.

Thats not completely true. They may get hundreds or thousands AFTER school and only if they make it big in their prospective sport, but during school most of them, even the "superstars" live like every other college student. Iv been lucky enough to know a few top teir D1 athletes and they certainly aren't living like millionaires. Now I guess if you are talking about the players who receive "illegal" benefits then yea that's a possibility.

I do tend to agree with your assessment that a free education is enough payment. I mean some of these schools are REALLY expensive.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

The NCAA is corrupt anyway, they really don't have the students best interest at heart so they need to stop acting like they do.

That, I couldn't agree more with, but I'm a University of Miami fan and we've always distrusted the NCAA haha.

 

[Hush]

I disagree. No money should be paid to players. They get hundreds of thousands (if not millions) in terms of exposure and free education, room, board and books.

I don't think so either, thats why I said post collegiate when they aren't students anymore. It's just an idea but if something like the NCAA Game is made and Came Newton is in the game but not really him just #1 for Auburn and the money from that game goes to Auburn why shouldn't he get some sort of stipend from that game? The NCAA enforces rules but its the players that they fan buys the game for so why shouldn't they get financial retribution?

 

[Hush]

That, I couldn't agree more with, but I'm a University of Miami fan and we've always distrusted the NCAA haha.

NCAA sucks man, they are so ingrained in their own ass they don't know whats up and whats down. I'm a Mizzou fan but i'm also a USC fan and the bowl ban was ****ing ******ed and really hurt Barkley's career I think so that's where my NCAA hate comes from.

 

[Matt]

Thats not completely true. They may get hundreds or thousands AFTER school and only if they make it big in their prospective sport, but during school most of them, even the "superstars" live like every other college student. Iv been lucky enough to know a few top teir D1 athletes and they certainly aren't living like millionaires. Now I guess if you are talking about the players who receive "illegal" benefits then yea that's a possibility.

I do tend to agree with your assessment that a free education is enough payment. I mean some of these schools are REALLY expensive.

No, you misunderstand me. I'm not saying they live like millionaires. But they do get free room, board (dorm housing and meal plan, but still housing and meals that others have to pay for) and exposure on AT LEAST regional television once a week (even D2 and D3 schools are televised locally).

Furthermore, student athletes get free clothing, headwear, shoes, etc. Not just jerseys, I am talking polo shirts, golf shirts, T-shirts, hoodies, etc. Stuff that usually costs $30-$100 in the university book stores. All free. They also get some gear like bags, water bottles, etc. They also receive free book stipends. University books usually run $300-500 per semester.

Plus just about every school has an athletic alumni association that opens doors for graduates that would not be open to non-athletes. So even those who don't make it to the next level, get certain perks.

These are all things players get for FREE in addition to their education. IMO, student athletes are OVER-compensated.

 

[Matt]

I don't think so either, thats why I said post collegiate when they aren't students anymore. It's just an idea but if something like the NCAA Game is made and Came Newton is in the game but not really him just #1 for Auburn and the money from that game goes to Auburn why shouldn't he get some sort of stipend from that game? The NCAA enforces rules but its the players that they fan buys the game for so why shouldn't they get financial retribution?

Well, aside from all that I've said in my above post that NCAA athletes already receive in compensation, I don't believe that their likenesses are being used.

This is Johnny Manziel:

This is Johnny Manziel in NCAA Football:

No resemblance. Or am I supposed to believe that Johnny Manziel owns the number 2 and is entitled to compensation any time that a Texas A&M player wears the number 2? Having Quarterback # 2 is not the same as using his "likeness," IMO.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

These are all things players get for FREE in addition to their education. IMO, student athletes are OVER-compensated.

Based on what some of them bring to their universities, you can argue they are greatly under compensated. But I guess u could almost say that about any profession.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Well, aside from all that I've said in my above post that NCAA athletes already receive in compensation, I don't believe that their likenesses are being used.

This is Johnny Manziel:

This is Johnny Manziel in NCAA Football:

No resemblance. Or am I supposed to believe that Johnny Manziel owns the number 2 and is entitled to compensation any time that a Texas A&M player wears the number 2? Having Quarterback # 2 is not the same as using his "likeness," IMO.

Agreed 100%. When the lawsuit was first announced my first thought was that it was just a washed up failed NFL player trying to get some money another way. I still feel them claiming EA used their likeness is a stretch.

 

[Matt]

Based on what some of them bring to their universities, you can argue they are greatly under compensated. But I guess u could almost say that about any profession.

As a big proponent of education, I think it is priceless. I have known people, smart people, who have dropped out of college due to cost. Such wasted potential. Education is something millions of Americans would kill for. And these people are whining because free rides to top tier schools aren't good enough? Cry me a river.

Agreed 100%. When the lawsuit was first announced my first thought was that it was just a washed up failed NFL player trying to get some money another way. I still feel them claiming EA used their likeness is a stretch.

I'm surprised that the NCAA isn't more confident in their position, to be honest.

 

[Tanin]

How close are Johnny Manziel's stats in game and in RL? Likeness in sports doesn't just boil down to looks.

 

[Matt]

How close are Johnny Manziel's stats in game and in RL? Likeness in sports doesn't just boil down to looks.

I was unaware that in real life players have skills determined by a numbered slider.

 

[Tanin]

I was unaware that in real life players have skills determined by a numbered slider.

I haven't played these games. Back when I played American football sports games they actually had numbered stats attached. I just assumed that modern games hadn't changed that. If so having nearly identical numbers could be thought of as likeness.

 

[Hush]

I see your point Matt, I do. You have kinda changed my mind on it but still I have to appease the money grubbing person in me and say that like ProjectPat said I feel they bring MORE to the university than what is given to them.

Also to play devils advocate they're are plenty of scholarship programs for the less financially or athletically fortunate in the student body that can offer essentially the same free ride if all applied for and student loans on top of that if you stay in state. I under stand that plight but they do have options.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

6 current players added as plaintiffs in likeness lawsuit

Interesting developments. It's been said the potential payout that the NCAA could be facing is in the BILLIONS of dollars. Ouch.

 

[Tanin]

Those emails seem pretty damning.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Those emails seem pretty damning.

Yea it's just gotten worse and worse for the NCAA and EA

 

[ProjectPat2280]

The SEC and Big 10 have now pulled out of the NCAA Football 15 game.

It appears that the individual schools themselves can still appear in the game if they want, however there will be NO use of the SEC/Big 10 logos or conference championship games.

http://www.pastapadre.com/2013/08/1...withdrawing-from-involvement-with-video-games

 

[jacobed]

No, you misunderstand me. I'm not saying they live like millionaires. But they do get free room, board (dorm housing and meal plan, but still housing and meals that others have to pay for) and exposure on AT LEAST regional television once a week (even D2 and D3 schools are televised locally).

Furthermore, student athletes get free clothing, headwear, shoes, etc. Not just jerseys, I am talking polo shirts, golf shirts, T-shirts, hoodies, etc. Stuff that usually costs $30-$100 in the university book stores. All free. They also get some gear like bags, water bottles, etc. They also receive free book stipends. University books usually run $300-500 per semester.

Plus just about every school has an athletic alumni association that opens doors for graduates that would not be open to non-athletes. So even those who don't make it to the next level, get certain perks.

These are all things players get for FREE in addition to their education. IMO, student athletes are OVER-compensated.

They are its ridiculous. I had one of the highest averages in my department and yeah I got a few scholarships but nothing what the athletes get. All for what just playing a stupid sport. Makes me a little angry.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

They are its ridiculous. I had one of the highest averages in my department and yeah I got a few scholarships but nothing what the athletes get. All for what just playing a stupid sport. Makes me a little angry.

Except playing that "stupid sport" brings more money into the university than anything a standard student could ever do. I mean how much money did the university make off your name, im guessing it's next to nothing. If you compare what the university gets vs what the players get, it is incredibly disproportionate. These universities are making MILLIONS(the NCAA and CLC as a whole BILLIONS) off these players and giving them very little in return comparatively. For example, my universities home opening football game pays for the ENTIRE university athletics program for the year. ONE game, pays for all of that.

Explain to me how it's fair that the NCAA/CLC can sell a Johnny Manziel #2 Jersey for 80 bux, pocket that money, give him none of the profits, yet the kid himself can't sell his own autograph for some spending cash.

I think at one point, what the players were getting was more than enough, however with the rise of the huge TV deals and just general growing popularity of sports, its quickly become imbalanced.