So, people are feeding you reasons the movie worked for them, but you're still asking for reasons people thought it was a great movie because you're dismissing their opinions?
I think I am seeing a bias you have against it as opposed to lack of evidence the movie is good.
No, I actually did regard them. Then I just disagree with those reasons and don't think they're good enough.
If I dismissed them, I wouldn't have regarded them at all.
Listen, it's hard for me to see this as better than I already do. But that doesn't mean I'm not open minded to hearing someone else's view on it to change my mind on some things. I would just like to hear substantive reasons from someone who loved it to gain perspective at the very least.
Yes, yes it does or else there's no point in bringing them up.
When I said "safe zoned" that's in relation to the rudimentary action thriller plot that Wright made more worthwhile through the various refreshing parts that make up the whole or ie it's the most mainstream thing he's done yet it still retains Wright's immense creative proclivities.
Also, as much as I may have downplayed the gimmick...it's integrated very well throughout beyond just going from track to track to set the various scenes.
It's the slightly impaired MC's way of life. It's ironic to a deaf foster parent. It's what he uses to bond with others. It's what gets him into trouble...and, unless I'm mistaken, it's what gets him out as contrived as that might be to you.
Thank you for actually responding to me and taking my views on their own terms. I appreciate it. I wish The Hype did this more.
I still disagree though. I agree he brought a new spin to a conventional story and genre, and I like what you're saying and all these ideas. They're in the movie, but these things weren't as well executed on those terms enough to really connect with Baby and his relationships. The casting made them more likable, but to me all these things seemed more like in service to the gimmick and style. I can tell Wright cared about depth and wanted it, but it seems the gimmick and style overtook the focus on the story. My question is, if you strip away the gimmick, how does this story and characters function and can they function on their own? I think they do somewhat, but there isn't great writing that matches it. This movie's story tries to function with the music and I don't think that works and loses out to style.
I'll use an example like Drive, similar movies somewhat. Drive is a stylistic film with a lot of mood going for it. Yet it works if you strip away Refn's direction and on paper it's a very well executed story with characters you love and connect with. How different the style is is irrelevant here. Wright's script is just kind of eh compared to his other movies where he's so much better with story and character. It just comes off more as he's focused on the gimmick, which is inconsistent for him as his other films have equal proportions of style and substance. My whole thing is people keep comparing this so highly to his other films like it's no different but I argue his other films are much better and don't understand the logic. It's like suddenly all the merit to Hot Fuzz is lessened when people mention this in the same breath as that.
No offense, but my response is pretty much all the response you deserve, particularly for the reasons Spider-Fan laid out:
Thanks, Batman, you really gave me new perspective on Baby Driver like I wanted.