Elder Scrolls V - Part 3

[Paroxysm]

You can kill children in BioShock.

Not that it matters because it's all a VIDEO GAME! It's amusing to kill a child NPC in hilarious ways in Skyrim. Just like its amusing seeing Kenny get killed every single episode of early South Park seasons. Laughing at it isn't disturbing or wrong because it's not real.

If it relates to something in the game then sure but going out of your way to make it happen? That's pretty creepy IMO. I would NOT let that person babysit my future child. lol

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Yes because that person is clearly unable to separate a video game from reality. You'd definitely come home to find your children brutally murdered and that person laughing like a maniac at it

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

I think it's messed up that some people feel the need murder children to make their game "more enjoyable" as you put it.

Question for you, can you kill children in GTA, Saints Row or the "No Russian" level from MW2?

No you can't. So why would you compare a child killing Skyrim mod with games that don't even give you the option to kill children?

I get that you're trying to say, killing is killing in your eyes but you gotta remember that to some people killing children is worse.

Activision specifically used the image of a child getting blown up in Modern Warfare 3 to try replicate the controversy of the "no Russian" level. Basically, childs death to drum up money. They also deliberately made the imagery look like the London train bombing.

Crytek (with Crysis 2) deliberate made there trailer and indeed the game look like the 9/11 terrorist attack. With Crytek walking around with "I heart new york" T-shirts on at promo events with people in new york looking at the large tv screen cheering. Because apparently this imagery is pretty awsome.

They are, in the real 3d world, profiteering from real life death and most of you probably bought there games. So the way I see it, you guys are actually alot worse than the people playing this free mod. Unless someone is a nutjob, they will quite happily make the distinction from stupid comical (and it is funny) fun from disturbing reality with no real consequences.

 

[Paroxysm]

Don't twist my words because you have no argument. I said was creepy. Deal with it.

 

[Paroxysm]

Activision specifically used the image of a child getting blown up in Modern Warfare 3 to try replicate the controversy of the "no Russian" level. Basically, childs death to drum up money. They also deliberately made the imagery look like the London train bombing.

Crytek (with Crysis 2) deliberate made there trailer and indeed the game look like the 9/11 terrorist attack. With Crytek walking around with "I heart new york" T-shirts on at promo events with people in new york looking at the large tv screen cheering. Because apparently this imagery is pretty awsome.

They are, in the real 3d world, profiteering from real life death and most of you probably bought there games. So the way I see it, you guys are actually alot worse than the people playing this free mod. Unless someone is a nutjob, they will quite happily make the distinction from stupid comical (and it is funny) fun from disturbing reality with no real consequences.

So because Activision and EA do it it's okay but Bethesda gets a bunch of hate mail for not wanting to go down that path? I don't get it.

Bethesda has standards I guess.

and no Spock we aren't worse than those creeps making child killing or nude mods for Skyrim, that's just sad bro.

 

[C. Lee]

This thread is going downhill, fast.

Agreed.

People. Be civil and sensible.

 

[Soapy]

Killing a child is no "creepier" than killing an adult. In real life, both acts are equally ****ed up. There's no difference. In video games, both acts are equally innocuous. Again, no difference.

As for someone seeking out and installing a mod that allows children to be killed in a game where they weren't meant to be, yeah, it's weird. Weird, not "creepy". But then again, I think modding your game in general is kind of weird. I payed $60 to play Bethesda's game, not Bethesda's game + some random extra stuff a guy made because he thought it was cool.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

So because Activision and EA do it it's okay but Bethesda gets a bunch of hate mail for not wanting to go down that path? I don't get it.

Personally, I think it's ok. If you look at the best sci-fi shows (Battestar Galactica for example) they basically use reallife stuff and apply it to the world that has been created. It's something we inherently "get" so we buy into it. That wasn't really the point though. And yea, I think it's ok for Bethesda to get hate-mail., It's immersion breaking and just plain fun to kill the little buggers. Given how practically every child in the game seems to be designed to act like a jerk, with swagger animations, I can't help but think, maybe Bethesda had this in the back of there minds. The kids in Fallout 3 weren't such big jerks. Here they practically run past and insult you. It's outragous.

 

[DBryan]

Guys, either its all okay or none of it is.

The video game character being a child makes no difference. They're still fictional, they're still digital. If that is not okay, why is it okay to kill people in GTA?

 

[Speedball]

Personally, I think it's ok. If you look at the best sci-fi shows (Battestar Galactica for example) they basically use reallife stuff and apply it to the world that has been created. It's something we inherently "get" so we buy into it. That wasn't really the point though. And yea, I think it's ok for Bethesda to get hate-mail., It's immersion breaking and just plain fun to kill the little buggers. Given how practically every child in the game seems to be designed to act like a jerk, with swagger animations, I can't help but think, maybe Bethesda had this in the back of there minds. The kids in Fallout 3 weren't such big jerks. Here they practically run past and insult you. It's outragous.

You're angry at fake children for insulting your video game avatar?

 

[Paroxysm]

Personally, I think it's ok. If you look at the best sci-fi shows (Battestar Galactica for example) they basically use reallife stuff and apply it to the world that has been created. It's something we inherently "get" so we buy into it. That wasn't really the point though. And yea, I think it's ok for Bethesda to get hate-mail., It's immersion breaking and just plain fun to kill the little buggers. Given how practically every child in the game seems to be designed to act like a jerk, with swagger animations, I can't help but think, maybe Bethesda had this in the back of there minds. The kids in Fallout 3 weren't such big jerks. Here they practically run past and insult you. It's outragous.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Killing a child is no "creepier" than killing an adult. In real life, both acts are equally ****ed up. There's no difference. In video games, both acts are equally innocuous. Again, no difference.

As for someone seeking out and installing a mod that allows children to be killed in a game where they weren't meant to be, yeah, it's weird. Weird, not "creepy". But then again, I think modding your game in general is kind of weird. I payed $60 to play Bethesda's game, not Bethesda's game + some random extra stuff a guy made because he thought it was cool.

Most of the good stuff in Skyrim, that are better than Oblivion are specifcally taken from mods. Likewise with Fallout:New Vegas (which imo is a much better game than Fallout 3), all the new features are near enough a copy paste of Wanderers Edition right down to the way they operate. I think this attitude that somehow the content a developer specfically (Bethesda of all people) is inherently better or can't be improved upon is nonesense. I also don't see how it's actually worth complaining about.

Oblivion came out what? 5 year ago is it now? Look at the free content still being put out long, long after my purchase. It's also worth noting as well, Oblivion and Fallout 3 and still getting patches and fixes, long after Bethesda have moved on to release there next super polished (see sig) release.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

You're angry at fake children for insulting your video game avatar?

Absolutely. Developed a Hemorrhoid over it.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Personally, I think it's ok. If you look at the best sci-fi shows (Battestar Galactica for example) they basically use reallife stuff and apply it to the world that has been created. It's something we inherently "get" so we buy into it. That wasn't really the point though. And yea, I think it's ok for Bethesda to get hate-mail., It's immersion breaking and just plain fun to kill the little buggers. Given how practically every child in the game seems to be designed to act like a jerk, with swagger animations, I can't help but think, maybe Bethesda had this in the back of there minds. The kids in Fallout 3 weren't such big jerks. Here they practically run past and insult you. It's outragous.

 

[Matt Mortem]

What the **** is going on in this thread?

 

[Soapy]

I think this attitude that somehow the content a developer specfically (Bethesda of all people) is inherently better or can't be improved upon is nonesense.

The quality of mods doesn't factor into my distaste of them at all.

My point was that I came for the developer's game. And I want to judge it based on its own merits. If a game is good, then it won't need mods. If a game is bad.... then it's bad, and I don't want to play it. End of story. No amount of mods, however cool they might be, is going to turn a bad game into a good one or make me want to play it.

If I saw a movie or read a book I didn't like, I wouldn't record my own scenes or write my own chapters and splice them in. I would just move on to something I do like. And that attitude extends into games.

Also, making mods this soon after a game's release just shows a tremendous amount of arrogance and lack of respect for the original work and just kind of rubs me the wrong way.

I guess in the end, spending so much time tinkering around with a game you don't like or think is bad, is just a very strange concept to me.

Oblivion came out what? 5 year ago is it now? Look at the free content still being put out long, long after my purchase. It's also worth noting as well, Oblivion and Fallout 3 and still getting patches and fixes, long after Bethesda have moved on to release there next super polished (see sig) release.

Great. People are making mods and patches years after a game has been released. And years after most people gave a **** about those games.

 

[Matt Mortem]

I agree with Soapy's view on mods. It doesn't make sense to alter the **** out of a game just for the hell of it or whatever the reason may be

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Hey guys, what did I miss?

*looks at last 3 pages*

*whistles slowly back out of thread*

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

My point was that I came for the developer's game. And I want to judge it based on its own merits.

Thats exactly what I done with Oblivion. I'd imagine it's the case with most people, using only minor graphical mods which don't alter the gameplay itself. I think Oblivion actually directly contrasts what you are saying. I played through it, don't think it's a very well designed game, or fun game. But with mods applied it's a diffrent story. There are also total conversions like the one in the link given, which are basically new games altogether built on the base assets. Nhirim (which is excellent) is a good 50-100 hours long without costing a penny.

Great. People are making mods and patches years after a game has been released. And years after most people gave a **** about those games.

Oblivion sold around 3-4 million copies with the average download of a popular mod being between half a million and one million downloads. This statement is very much false. And I also don't see how other people, equals me or you. Given how the majority of them are probably buying Call Of Duty year in year out, i'm more than happy not to be them.

I agree with Soapy's view on mods. It doesn't make sense to alter the **** out of a game just for the hell of it or whatever the reason may be

I'm sure Counterstrike, Team Fortress and Dota would probably disagree.

 

[Soapy]

I guess my view of mods stems from the fact that I grew up gaming primarily on consoles in the very late 80's and early to mid 90's. Back then a game was a game. A good game was a good game and bad game was a bad game. There was no such thing as mods or DLC or expansions or patches to improve the game or extend its life. But that was another time.

 

[Matt Mortem]

I'm sure Counterstrike, Team Fortress and Dota would probably disagree.

If I were a PC gamer I'd probably know what the hell you're talking about but since I'm not.....................I don't care

 

[DBryan]

To dismiss the huge amount of work that goes into mods is ignorant, to say the least.

Seriously, just scroll through this article.

http://www.insidegamingdaily.com/2011/08/03/andoran-mod-breathes-new-life-into-oblivion/

These guys have worked their asses off to develop an entirely new adventure, it looks absolutely amazing, and its totally free.

What's wrong with that?

 

[DBryan]

Also, Bethesda fully support and seem to love the work that the mod community does. They don't see it as disrespectful.

 

[DBryan]

This trailer is amazing.

[YT]UoTFPoAjTq4&feature=player_embedded[/YT]

 

[Speedball]