Mystery/Thriller Elementary - CBS's Modern Take on Sherlock

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I also like that she's not a bumbling detective like Watson normally is, and usually draws the wrong conclusions about things.

As for Holmes's take on law and justice, well I think he's also a man of compassion here. While he wouldn't just let someone go, he realises that Abigail (was that her name?) had already served her time and wasn't a monster, so he's not going to try to pin this new murder on her as penance for the old one for which she was acquitted. His compassion is also why he didn't want her confessing to it when he knew the boy was guilty.

I suppose he could have tried to prove the boy guilty, but he would need concrete evidence of that and it seems he didn't have that but only circumstantial evidence which could easily point to the nanny.

That was largely a creation of the 1940's Holmes films. Watson in the books was never portrayed as bumbling. He was never on Holmes level (though few ever were) but he was always very competent. The early films changed him to the bumbling comic relief.

EDIT: I see Chamber-Music beat me to the punch on this one.

 

[Teelie]

For anyone who is interested, all the books are free and in the open domain to read. I read mine off an app for the iPhone but you can get them for Kindles, iPads, Nooks and whatever else if you want to read them.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Would those more familiar with canon Holmes say that when it comes to crimes, that Sherlock is a man that has a stronger sense of "universal justice" as opposed to "justice under the law"? That was what I sensed in this ep, anyway, from JLM's Holmes.

 

[Dr.]

Would those more familiar with canon Holmes say that when it comes to crimes, that Sherlock is a man that has a stronger sense of "universal justice" as opposed to "justice under the law"? That was what I sensed in this ep, anyway, from JLM's Holmes.

Holmes was always depicted as very moral and principled. And typical of the times, he was also a law-and-order man - certainly not a vigilante in any sense. So in the vast majority of the stories, Holmes’s sense of justice pretty much conformed to that of society (i.e., the police). On rare occasions, however, he did step outside the law. In the aforementioned Abbey Grange, Holmes shielded a “murderer” who was forced to act against a cruel drunk and wife beater. From that short story:

"No, I couldn't do it, Watson," said he, as we reentered our room. "Once that warrant was made out, nothing on earth would save him. Once or twice in my career I feel that I have done more real harm by my discovery of the criminal than ever he had done by his crime. I have learned caution now, and I had rather play tricks with the law of England than with my own conscience.”​

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

It would seem that M's betrayal and Holmes's reaction to it is going to be the overarching dramatic backdrop for the season. Nice to see this.

Good ep. Nice to see the various ways Holmes drums up business, as it were. Also, it's nice that the writers added little bits of continuity with Watson's friend. Loved how Holmes was angling for a heroic death for Tony, and Joan's fake out at the end had me laughing. All this AND a mystery? What more could a viewer ask for?

 

[Teelie]

That was funny. For just a split second it seemed like Holmes almost believed Watson about the fake out. Just a brief moment crossed his face.

I was also thinking Holmes seemed to be too eager to have Watson drop the case and started thinking he knew something about it that would come back badly, then about 10 seconds before he admitted to it as Watson was finishing her review of the video I thought it couldn't be he was the one but it sounds like it then sure enough it was.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

So, are they going to use the Captain's marriage problems to explain his shifting hair color?

Holmes has created a deductive monster in Watson. Her need to feel she is being useful shows her growing estimation of her prowess.
I hope that the trunk of cold cases Holmes gifted her come back as some kind of plot device. It's just too intriguing an idea, I think. And on a shallow note, I can't get enough of Lucy's gams.

Next week, the return of Mycroft. Can't wait.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

Yeah I think the trunk will come back at some point. It would be pointless to introduce it otherwise.

 

[Dr.]

Yeah I think the trunk will come back at some point. It would be pointless to introduce it otherwise.

Also - a bit of a nod to the original canon; classic/Baker St. Holmes kept a record of all his cases in a trunk.

 

[DrDoom]

So, are they going to use the Captain's marriage problems to explain his shifting hair color?

Holmes has created a deductive monster in Watson. Her need to feel she is being useful shows her growing estimation of her prowess.
I hope that the trunk of cold cases Holmes gifted her come back as some kind of plot device. It's just too intriguing an idea, I think. And on a shallow note, I can't get enough of Lucy's gams.

Next week, the return of Mycroft. Can't wait.

That caught my attention also lol

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

^I don't know if Quinn, who was great in that episode by the way, was doing some other gig, but it stuck out to me the times we've seen him this season so far.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Wow. Loved the twist and turns of this last episode and the reurn of Mycroft. Ifan's does such a good job aping everything about JLM, right down to posture.You really believe they could be siblings. Speaking of posture, Holmes figuring out Joan and his brother slept with each other was both great fun, but I actually liked their nonchalance about it, both the character's and the show's. Is Olivia D'abo bathing in babies blood or something? At first I thought it was Billie Piper until I saw her listed in the credits, and she has to have 20 plus years on Piper.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Woq. Loved the twist and turns of this last episode and the reurn of Mycroft. Ifan's does such a good job aping everything about JLM, right down to posture.You really believe they could be siblings. Speaking of posture, Holmes figuring out Joan and his brother slept with each other was both great fun, but I actually liked their nonchalance about it, both the character's and the show's. Is Olivia D'abo bathing in babies blood or something? At first I thought it was Billie Piper until I saw her listed in the credits, and she has to have 20 plus yeats on Piper.

That was Olivia D'abo? Could have sworn it was a younger actress as well.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't think Irene was the true Moriarty. I think it's Mycroft or Holmes' father.

 

[DrDoom]

Based on?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Based on?

Reasons man.... Reasons.

I actually would be disappointed if they did retcon that. That whole season was great leading up to the M episodes. It fit with the modern and gender swap themes/plots of the show. Watson is a woman. The housekeeper is transgendered (and missed. Bring that... um... chick... back. Holmes and Watson had a good rapport with the actor.) and M is Irene. No need to drag out a "everything you know is wrong" card on the show AGAIN. That's already the card they lead with from the first episode. But that's just me.

 

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With Elementary and The Blacklist William Sadler has played a guy on his death bed twice in two different shows in one week.

 

[The Shape]

Nice little twist at the end there.

 

[BlackMagicWolf]

any guesses on how he was talking to? It obviously wasn't the father, so who could it be? And why are they so eager to get Holmes back in London?

 

[Anubis]

....Moriarty?

 

[Webfoot Hero]

....Moriarty?

That was my initial thought as well but I just can't figure out why his brother would be working with his enemy.

 

[The Shape]

That was my initial thought as well but I just can't figure out why his brother would be working with his enemy.

Probably not by choice.

 

[Anubis]

Maybe it's MI6.

Some of the other Maycroft stuff I've seen had him as a high ranking Government official.

 

[Paradox1]

I don't think it was M for sure because the number he called was international.

 

[Wyrminarrd]

Maybe it was something more innocent like he was doing it for Lestrade...