Mystery/Thriller Elementary - CBS's Modern Take on Sherlock

I think your getting your wish this week judging by the promos.
 
Det. Bell: Yeah, tell me something I don't know.

Sherlock: A pig's orgasm can last up to 30 minutes.

Still gets me. Can't wait for Thursday.
 
So is Vinnie Jones really playing Moriarty?

Def. a different way to go
 
marvelrobbins said:
They really need to step up on plots.The cases are those you wouldn't need a consulant
on.They make It seem like the NYPD needs holmes to Investigate every crime.The show could really use their version of Moriarity.The cases seem a little mundane for Homes who has been called the greatest Detective in Fiction.
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This is the problem with American procedurals and needing content for 20+ episode seasons which are way too long as it is.
 
It defently looks like Moriarity Is finally coming to show.

Part of problem with being a CBS procedural Is very little In ongoing story.Homes Is kind of character that would benefit greatly for a multiepisode story or ongoing mystery subplot.Also who are they trying to fool.Lucy Liu Is not about to leave show.You know watson Isn't going to say goodbye to Holmes.
 
It is Sebastien Moran, and I actually like the way they played him as being a dangerous professional killer who still has enough cunning to realize when he's been set up by his employer. I'm wondering if they're going to keep Jones on the show and have Holmes and possibly Watson interview him for information on Moriarty himself.

Speaking of the Professor, I'm likeing the way they're building him up as a different animal from Sherlock's take on the character. While Sherlock featured the competitive "Consulting Criminal" aspect Moriarty displayed in Valley of Fear, while this show seems to be hinting at a Moriarty more in line with the ruthless yet profssional "Criminal Mastermind" introduced in Final Problem. And I hope whoever they cast resembles Jared Harris's take on the character more than the Sherlock version, just because Sherlock's version seemed a little too unstable to me. He was fun to watch, he was just more of crazed genius than the coldly calculating shadow from Doyle's books. Plus, I really appreciate a charmingly chilly bad-guy like Harris; he was pretty clearly interested in Holmes as a peer and enjoyed their games, but was still detached enough to need the personal prodding of Holmes to take the fight personal.

And I loved Moriarty's plot in this episode. We find out that Moriarty had Irene killed (still thinking she helped him fake her death and we'll see her before we see Moriarty himself) almost assuredly to throw Holmes off his tracks. He then sends Moran on a collison course with Holmes in Holmes' new turf, setting up either one to destroy the other, with a double victory if Holmes cleans up Moran as a loose end and is arrested for cold-blooded murder. It's quite brilliant when you think about it, with only one flaw getting in the way:

Neither Moran nor Holmes are the statistically predictable "average man." So Moran's use of his cunning to figure out that he's been set up and anger at the betrayal has him reveal Moriarty's name early and plot for revenge, and Holmes's cold, methodical plan for revenge gives Moran enough time to tell the truth. And even with this loss, all Holmes has is a name and a tricky witness who is probably looking for revenge himself.
 
Interesting twist. It begs the question though, why does Moriarty have all those other people killed by an assassin to make it look like a serial killer? Are they turning Moriarty into more of a serial killer or a criminal mastermind?

It also wouldn't surprise me if they faked the death of Irene.

I also wonder if they are going to make Mycroft the father of Holmes instead of his brother.
 
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What I wonder is, have we already met Moriarty? I loved how in Sherlock we were introduced to him before even knowing he was actually Moriarty. Could it be the same with Elementary? I almost wonder...could Captain Gregson?!
 
It wouldn't be Gregson since he is the Lestrade counterpart.

I think maybe Sherlock's actor friend we saw in an earlier episode.
 
It was like Sherlock was Dexter in that warehouse. :o

Great ep though. Loved the twist with Moran and Miller was on his A game for this one. Also liked how they're slowly putting the pieces on the confrontation between Holmes/Moriarty.

Amazing how this show has grown on me.
 
Finally got around to watching this show. Being a huge Sherlock supporter, I was predisposed to hate it. But being a giant Sherlock Holmes fan in general, I knew I could only last so long before checking it out.

Surprisingly, I didn't mind it. Do I think it's as good as Sherlock? Obviously not, but the thing that impressed me was that CBS really did go for their own take on this. Yes, they copied the premise (modern Sherlock) but after that they made it their own beast. And I respected them for not trying to copy Sherlock in more ways then the premise.

What also helped was that the format was so different. This is just a procedural drama that happens to feature Sherlock Holmes, while the Sherlock BBC series feels like a collection of three short films as opposed to television episodes. The different formats lead to very different storytelling styles and that keeps Elementary fresh for me.

I also found it interesting that they chose to make Sherlock a little less brilliant then he's usually depicted. It was an interesting change. Lucy as Watson was something I didn't really mind either way. I still find it odd they felt the need to make Watson female, but she's doing a solid job.

Overall, I don't hate it, which I fully expected to. It's actually pretty good. And it'll serve as something to keep me occupied while I wait for Sherlock to make more episodes.
 
Compi716 said:
What I wonder is, have we already met Moriarty? I loved how in Sherlock we were introduced to him before even knowing he was actually Moriarty. Could it be the same with Elementary? I almost wonder...could Captain Gregson?!
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Moriarty is a female...

and it's really Joan Watson's psychologist or whatever she is...

Watson has been talking about Sherlock quite a bit to her and the psych is asking a lot of questions about their interaction...

what better way for Moriarty to get inside Sherlock's head and learn as much as she can about him than thru his associate?
 
Nice! :up:

3 episode arc. Looking forward to it.
 
Finally caught up with this show. The Moriarty episode was cool.

I think it certainly has improved since Joan Watson has moved on from simply being Holmes's sober companion to an assistant detective, with Holmes now teaching her the art of sleuthing. The episode where she solved her first case was interesting.
 
I enjoyed the Moriarty episode last night. The one thing I will say about having a Sherlock series that has 15 plus episodes is that it can really draw out the suspense of a villain like Moriarty, and they've done a good job with that.
 
The show is good, but still there 20 or more episodes in a season is too much for a show like this.
 
TheVileOne said:
The show is good, but still there 20 or more episodes in a season is too much for a show like this.
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I mean, it's obviously no Sherlock. But it's little different then other procedurals of the same nature. Like House and Monk. Ironically, both characters based off Holmes.

And that's really how I look at this show, as based off Holmes rather then an adaptation of him. And I don't really mind it that way. Yeah, it's going to get repetitive, but all procedurals do. We all knew the format of House after the first few episodes, but what made it interesting was the characters.

This show is doing pretty good with that so far (when one views this as a "based on" rather then direct adaptation) so I expect it to last as long as shows like Monk and House if it can keep the characters fresh.

And it gives me something to watch while I wait for Sherlock to come out with more episodes.
 
I think the only difference between Elementary and the numerous Sherlock Holmes knock offs is that its sherlock and they occasionally weave in the sherlock holmes lore. You could replace Sherlock and Watson with a couple of the many detectives on tv right now for about 17 episodes of elementary and it wouldn't make a huge amount of difference.

I enjoy elementary but its nothing special.

I hope they cast someone good as Moriarty.
 
I also enjoy Elementary and think its nothing special.

I think my problem is though, the show is spread thin with so many episodes. I think Holmes should be involved with some really bizarre and hard to solve cases. Most of these cases seem pretty open and shut that even the less intellectual NYPD detectives could solve easily.
 
I agree. Holmes doesn't come across as that super intelligent or skilled sometimes. In other versions he is often shown as being remarkable and the people really need his help as no one else could solve the case but on elementary it feels like Watson or the cops could solve alot of these crimes themselves if they were written a bit more skilled.

Holmes should be tested more. A few more twists in the plot or challenging crimes would make the next season better.
 
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