The Penguin Episode 6: Gold Summit (Spoiler Thread)

[Kane52630]

Yes, this is the first episode that's made me feel like they will actually be explaining Batman's absence from this show when the movie comes around. Before this, I didn't think they would or had reason to.

It would be funny though, The Batman II comes out and it starts with Bruce doing this:

 

[DCDAVE]

Sophia learned to be a freak in Arkham. . A kind of filler episode before the big showdowns. Sophia still has a heart and that will be her downfall. I believe she will be going back to Arkham in the end. What I love about her character is that she is still vulnerable and you can see she does not want to become a full psychopath.

Penguin is so close he can taste it. I don’t think he has ever been the king of the underworld in the comics or the games so this will be in interesting take on him if the show ends with him on top.

Vic had to kill that guy he knew from the neighborhood there was no way around it. Looking forward to the final two episodes. Can Vic protect Oz’s mother………

That trailer for episode 7……

 

[DKDetective]

Normally I'd just say Batman is somewhere else in the city dealing with something, but between the emphasis on the state of the city, the seemingly short time frame between TB and TBPII, and the marketing for this show emphasizing that he's not around at all with fake Gotham Gazette cartoons, I'm currently betting on Bruce taking up the mayor on her thoughts and is out of the city pulling a No Man's Land, trying to shore up federal assistance.

I didn't know about this... Can you share?

Sophia learned to be a freak in Arkham. . A kind of filler episode before the big showdowns. Sophia still has a heart and that will be her downfall. I believe she will be going back to Arkham in the end. What I love about her character is that she is still vulnerable and you can see she does not want to become a full psychopath.

Penguin is so close he can taste it. I don’t think he has ever been the king of the underworld in the comics or the games so this will be in interesting take on him if the show ends with him on top.

Vic had to kill that guy he knew from the neighborhood there was no way around it. Looking forward to the final two episodes. Can Vic protect Oz’s mother………

That trailer for episode 7……

It's SOFIA.

 

[Iceman]

There have been a lot of great interactions in this show and that Sofia Eve chat is amongst the best ones.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

That Sofia/Eve chat might be my new favorite scene of the show.

Sofia must live!!!

Yeah, I definitely more than ever need her to meet Selina now.

 

[Snow Queen]

I didn't know about this... Can you share?

 

[DKDetective]

The classifieds make a lot more sense when you have seen the show.

 

[Kane52630]

Also I thought this was funny

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

People clamoring for Batman seem to forget how much water he made his way through when he led the citizens to safety. He's not around because he's very clearly busy washing his tights.

 

[Iceman]

On, & no sympathy whatsoever for Squid.

So Batman still has his no-kill record intact but Miles is off the mark.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[antsman41]

The beer can gag to signal they other mob families were joining night be the neatest way this has been done in 60 years.

They way they made this city look like The Batman and have continued extending it further is truly magnificent.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Every time Clancy Brown utters a line, I just hear Lex.

 

[Rod]

Oh, dang:

https://*****/Dc_da_depressao/status/1850727205237621169

I suspect Francis will not exactly play "damsel" while captive. Francis is also a very hardened by life woman.

She is in very fragilized state, but she can be tough and bitter as hell. Sofia about to know that.

 

[Snow Queen]

 

[Rod]

Long post inc:


I have made a previous post in this - back in Oct 14th (Cent'Anni) - in how the show continues to tackle class privilege, keeping up with the themes Reeves works. Yesterday, this was highlighted again and speaks volumes with what episode 6 again portrayed.

Oct 14th (Cent'Anni) post:

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"Still more or less in this topic, would like to point this universe does a wonderful job in class privilege themes. In The Batman movie, Bruce fails to immediately figure it out Riddler used a very specific tool to kill the Mayor, with a specific purpose and hint to figure it out the broad plan behind it. It is only after Officer Martinez (hopefully he appears in the series, too, lol), a 'working class' man, points out it is a carpet tool, something very odd, that then Bruce realizes it must have had further connections to the rest of Riddler's schemes, since Edward never uses anything unnecessarily. That's how they discover the seawall bombs: under a carpet in Nashton's apartment.

Bruce's well born condition denied him to know many things and to perceive the world from another perspective, from another point of view, so much that it wasn't even a question of him being arrogant or a bad person, he was so accustomed and raised in the wealth he didn't even notice, it was simply natural. It is from that Ridller encounter he fully realized the importance and necessity of understanding and learning from another conditions, as well. Selina similarly points that during the movie in how overly idealistic some of his concepts of life were, as if they were that simple or easy. Perhaps to him, but not for the others who had to live different hardships everyday, every moment, where there are too many greys in between black and white actions in order to 'survive'.

Unlike Bruce, Sofia does not seem to be in the way to realize that. She goes to Oz's place and immediately despises it, his car and all, not understanding that perhaps for a random nobody like him, having a good home in what seems to be a downtown district, a Maserati in the garage and running it's own 'business' was already more than he initially dream for, especially a person with disability and a scarred face, with all the stigmas that come from these things ("a guy like me?" ). Yes, certainly not her millions, but it is a lot to him. Enough to justify his life. Something she can't comprehend, because for her class these needs and cravings are non existent, and this is made abundantly clear in that Episode 3 final dialogue.

While a lovely brother to his sister, Alberto (note: show did a good way adding layers to these characters) is even more blind. Sofia still at least noticed Oz as a hard worker and that his efforts should been better rewarded. 'Berto', on the other hand, was so tone deaf he frankly humiliated the man, again, without even noticing. That car scene in Episode 4 portrays it blatantly.

It is narratively poetic that the rise of Oz comes from exact the same reason: mainly Sofia and Alberto's inability to acknowledge the lower class, to understand how to deal with the everyday man. This got Alberto killed, Sofia betrayed and is likely the very same reason as to why Oz will conquer the people around him. He knows their needs, what they want, how they think. It is why he is so good and effective with Vic, even if he initially put a gun to his face, remember."

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And cut to present times, it is exactly what is happening.

Much like that Vic example I've used, who had a gun to his face and then one would ask, why would this kid continue to follow this man? The answer is the same as for these people, just as is the very same offense-support syllogism: "why trust someone who has betrayed before?" It is then why that Zhao reflection in that sequence, that exact moment, is the same one Vic had while looking his girlfriend going away while he also had the opportunity to go with her, much like them here to side with Sofia. In the end, the realization is that, both from Vic back then and Zhao now: such are life's delicate ironies, Oz is the one who offers them what they really want, what they deeply really want. Here is the one who truly understands their very essence.

He gets them, indeed. And it is not he who needs to force them comprehend that, it's them who come to realize naturally, like Vic did, like Zhao did.

This is the real power of Oz. Power who comes from the outside to within. It's them who are enabling him. Not he who needs to coerce himself into them showing how powerful he can be (ironically, just as Sofia tried with the hanged guys in very same episode). Like said, to Oz, true power emanates from external to internal. To Sofia, it's internal to external

It is why one let his girlfriend go, despite a chance of a happier life, or the others abdicated with a side who seemed safer or even more powerful: Oz, in the end, is the one who reaches them in a way no other does.

It is the very sweet contrast, now in the form of scenic imagery, of Sal and Sofia with exotic cuisine and prestige wine in a mansion, and Oz and co with a cooler and beers in the back of a car in some abandoned warehouse. What really caters to who?

I was very happy how now in episode 6 (Gold Summit), Eve even nearly directly paraphrased it while confronting Sofia:

"Must be nice. You were born in opportunity, so you can afford to think in black and white."

 

[Rod]

Dang, this just in. Perfectly what was pointed:

 

[KaijuDude1992]

This was easily the best episode since episode 3 IMO. Not that the last two episodes weren't great as well but it just felt like the pacing and structure of this episode was a lot tighter than the previous ones.

As everyone has already said the highlight of the episode was definitely the convo between Sofia and Eve. I honestly didn't even realize those two haven't had much screentime together so far but man what a scene.

I'm really loving the relationship between Vic and Oz's mom too. There's so much heart and genuine sweetness in their scenes together which made that ending even more effective IMO.

Sadly, though I just don't see it ending well for either of them.

 

[blue scholar]

People clamoring for Batman seem to forget how much water he made his way through when he led the citizens to safety. He's not around because he's very clearly busy washing his tights.

Or he might be suffering Leptospirosis. Batman vs. Ratpoop

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Iceman]

I’m gonna need both Vic and Sofia to survive this season, thanks.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

That's exactly how she stared at them too.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

So is it just a coincidence that Vic is basically the Jason Todd of this series and Sofia has a crowbar in her hand at the end?

I see you, Matt Reeves. I see you.

 

[Deck Rickard]

This has probably been mentioned already but I was listening to some analysis of this show and they were speculating that Julian Rush might not be real or at least the version of him in the present day might be all in Sofia’s imagination. Has he directly with anyone other than Sofia outside of Arkham?