EU proposes to ban all porn in Europe

[MessiahDecoy123]

For the sake of gender equality.

Agree or disagree?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...edia_n_2828633.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

yeah, good luck with that.

 

[terry78]

Well, this is what they're banning, so.....

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[The Question]

The problem is it will just turn the porn industry into an unregulated black market and put the performers in greater danger from abuse and disease. Their hearts are in the right place, but I think this will cause more problems than it solves.

 

[The Question]

Also France will never go with it. Erotic cinema is kind of a respected cultural thing over there.

 

[terry78]

Yes, like Amour.

 

[The Question]

Ultimately, I think the path toward gender equality isn't banning porn, it's making porn that isn't sexist. I mean, it is entirely possible to enjoy staged erotica without demeaning an entire sex. The problem is that the porn industry primarily caters to straight men, and perpetuates some false and pretty messed up notions about gender roles and sexuality. I feel like there needs to be more pornography that caters to straight women and lesbians, and all pornography should find a way to respect the personhood of the performers while still fulfilling it's goal of being arousing. It's been done, and I personally think it's a lot more appealing than the stuff that treats the models like dumb eye candy.

Of course, I'm a guy saying that, so maybe I don't have a full perspective on the issue.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Also France will never go with it. Erotic cinema is kind of a respected cultural thing over there.

Not really, not anymore.
Also eroticism isn't pornography.

 

[Schlosser85]

A) good luck with that

B) banning porn is not going to create gender equality

 

[The Question]

Not really, not anymore.
Also eroticism isn't pornography.

I find that distinction to be pretty vague.

More importantly I don't think politicians know enough to know the difference, whatever it is.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

It is not pretty vague, the differences are clear.

 

[The Question]

It is not pretty vague, the differences are clear.

What are they?

 

[chamber-music]

Yeah this never going to get passed.

 

[Pink Ranger]

No, don't take away my British porn!

 

[Brain Damage]

The problem is it will just turn the porn industry into an unregulated black market and put the performers in greater danger from abuse and disease. Their hearts are in the right place, but I think this will cause more problems than it solves.

Bingo.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

What are they?

You don't see the sexual organs, no close up on them either, no visible penetration if at all.
What you see is boobs and butts, like in any soap commercial over-here.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The problem is it will just turn the porn industry into an unregulated black market and put the performers in greater danger from abuse and disease. Their hearts are in the right place, but I think this will cause more problems than it solves.

I don't think their hearts are in the right place.

"Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live." - Oscar Wilde

Look, I understand porn isn't for everyone but banning it for everyone simply because you think it's gross is a slippery slope and it's forcing others to share your values. No one is forcing men and women to do porn. They choose to do it. No one forces people to watch porn. They watch it because they want to. Why stop people from doing things they want to do if those things based on personal and consensual decisions? It's like banning Latino dance for being too erotic. "She shouldn't be so sexually expressive. It makes guys think dirty thoughts and objectifies her." BANNED FOR EVERYONE!

Anytime you move closer to the restrictive and draconian censorship policies of places like Iran and China, you're moving in the wrong direction.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

B) banning porn is not going to create gender equality

But it worked in the Middle East...

oh...wait.

 

[chamber-music]

Considering how many MEP's are dudes Kartika Liotard the Dutch left-wing feminist MEP who proposed this idea is never going to succeed.

Rupert Murdoch is dropping the topless women pictureson page three in his The Sun newspaper after over 40 years not because of people protests but because he thinks its outdated lol.

 

[The Question]

I don't think their hearts are in the right place.

"Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live." - Oscar Wilde

Look, I understand porn isn't for everyone but banning it for everyone simply because you think it's gross is a slippery slope and it's forcing others to share your values. No one is forcing men and women to do porn. They choose to do it. No one forces people to watch porn. They watch it because they want to. Why stop people from doing things they want to do if those things based on personal and consensual decisions? It's like banning Latino dance for being too erotic. "She shouldn't be so sexually expressive. It makes guys think dirty thoughts and objectifies her." BANNED FOR EVERYONE!

Anytime you move closer to the restrictive and draconian censorship policies of places like Iran and China, you're moving in the wrong direction.

I disagree entirely. It's not just a matter of "I don't like it so no one else should have it." It's a matter of "our society has horrible and harmful ideas about women and right now this is perpetuating them." Their hearts are absolutely in the right place, the problem is that their screwed up about the cause and effect going on, they think that getting rid of porn will make people less sexist when in fact making people less sexist will make porn less sexist, and their solution would just make things worse.

I don't think it's wrong to ban something that perpetuates the notion that some people are less human than others, even if the people who are being dehumanized are willing participants. Especially since, in most cases, said dehumanization has limited their options as to what they can do. The problem is that, in this case, this isn't the way to fix it and this solution will cause more problems.

The porn industry has a lot of problems that need to be solved, and these folks are right to address them, they're just doing it wrong.

 

[NickNitro]

This is what immediately came to mind. Sir Buzz Killington

 

[Evelisse]

Sort of how Dennis from Always Sunny In Philadelphia puts it...

"And then he smells crime again, he's out busting heads. Then he's back to the lab for some more full penetration. Smells crime. Back to the lab, full penetration. Crime. Penetration. Crime. Full penetration. Crime. Penetration. And this goes on and on and back and forth for 90 or so minutes until the movie just sort of ends."

 

[NickNitro]

I am going to talk purely from the state of economics. How many jobs does the Porn industry create? Thousands a year? How bad of a hit would Europes economy take if they wipe out a whole industry.

 

[Donnie Darko]

The problem is it will just turn the porn industry into an unregulated black market and put the performers in greater danger from abuse and disease. Their hearts are in the right place, but I think this will cause more problems than it solves.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Let's look at it this way. Child porn is in no way legal in the US (nor should it be... ever, in any form). However, there are sickos out there who like mass produce this **** or kidnap and abuse children physically, mentally, and emotionally to produce pornography. I could see this leading to the same thing being done to young women.

 

[chamber-music]

Porn has existed since the dawn of photography and film. Its not going anywhere. The internet has only made it more ubiquitous and easily accessible.

Young men and women are sadly negatively influenced by porn but the way to combat that is good sex education.