Is 'simulated rape porn' to be banned in the UK?

[MessiahDecoy123]

No more Pulp Fiction DVDs?

The rape is fake. No one is actually being harmed.

If you ban this then it's only a matter of time until you ban movies for any fake violence.

Ban censorship. It's far more dangerous to a free society than any FAKE violation of people's rights.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Also if rape porn actually caused rape, there would be record levels of rape in Japan.

They have lots of rapey porn.

 

[Pink Ranger]

The important thing to remember is that just because something is wrong, disgusting, degrading and offensive, that doesn't mean the state has an automatic right and obligation to outlaw it.

 

[Godzilla2000]

I think anyone that gets turned on by such humiliatingly violent things need to be banned from life. Anyone puts their hands on my neck while I'm conscious and they will get a beating they will never forget. Make me feel like I'm in danger and I fight for my life.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The important thing to remember is that just because something is wrong, disgusting, degrading and offensive, that doesn't mean the state has an automatic right and obligation to outlaw it.

Yes the whole idea of free speech is allowing others to express things you may not like so others can't limit how you choose to express yourself.

Yes racists, pervs and jerks get to express all kinds of things we wouldn't say but that also means you can say something unpopular also and that freedom can become very, very important to you some day: politically, socially or even spiritually.

 

[Godzilla2000]

My issue is that some people that like violent simulated porn will think they can act out what they see in real life and that is when freedom crosses the line. Violence is the least sexy thing I can think of as I was the victim of violence as a child. I fail to see what's so beneficial with violent acts being simulated giving the sickos of this world motive fodder for acts of abuse against unwilling victims.

 

[Pink Ranger]

My issue is that some people that like violent simulated porn will think they can act out what they see in real life and that is when freedom crosses the line. Violence is the least sexy thing I can think of as I was the victim of violence as a child. I fail to see what's so beneficial with violent acts being simulated giving the sickos of this world motive fodder for acts of abuse against unwilling victims.

Everything you say might be true. But the state should only punish people for what they do, not what they MIGHT do or what they are thinking.

There was a time when there was a perception and assumption that simply being gay would compel you to molest children or sexually assault other men. That was enough justification to make being gay illegal, which means by even existing as an BGT person you could be rounded up and jailed (in many countries around the world, this is still the case). Little difference between your well-intentioned scenario and the other one I am describing.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

because the government should be able to tell you what to fap to.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think anyone that gets turned on by such humiliatingly violent things need to be banned from life. Anyone puts their hands on my neck while I'm conscious and they will get a beating they will never forget. Make me feel like I'm in danger and I fight for my life.

But there a difference between someone who enjoys forms of S&M and someone who takes advantage of a non-consenting sexual victim.

There's a long host of sexual fantasies I would rather not be involved in. But as long as it's done by consenting adults and I'm not forced to watch or take part in it, it's really none of my business.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

My issue is that some people that like violent simulated porn will think they can act out what they see in real life and that is when freedom crosses the line. Violence is the least sexy thing I can think of as I was the victim of violence as a child. I fail to see what's so beneficial with violent acts being simulated giving the sickos of this world motive fodder for acts of abuse against unwilling victims.

But this same argument has been used to support censoring all violence in media. Do you feel the same about violent books, movies, and video games?

Far more people have watched Robocop and The Matrix than any small niche of porn.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The question is if there was indisputable evidence that simulated violence increased actual cases of violence in real life would all the anti-censorship people have the same view.

How many extra cases of violence would be acceptable? What if yourself or someone you cared about became the next victim?

 

[Pink Ranger]

With social sciences being what they are, a scenario with "indisputable proof" would be hard to imagine. To me, "indisputable" has to be on the same level as if I toss an apple up in the air, it's going to come back down eventually.

There are studies that arguably suggest the link between porn consumption in general and sexual aggression, but as with all social studies they can easily be flipped around. The movie Minority Report shows the danger of a society where we use state power to arrest people based on future harm they MIGHT cause.

 

[Godzilla2000]

Seriously, anyone that likes this stuff creeps me out totally. I mean what would it take for them to cross the line into unconsentual territory? Anyone under certain conditions that inhibit their level of self control like drugs and/or alcohol intake is capable of anything.

I think my biggest issue with anything is the level of ability to keep negative, unconsented behaviors in check and the community in general preventing such amoral behaviors from disrupting the public's safety. To me the most dangerous belief is telling yourself it can never happen.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Seriously, anyone that likes this stuff creeps me out totally. I mean what would it take for them to cross the line into unconsentual territory? Anyone under certain conditions are capable of anything.

I agree with your sentiment 100%. But the argument can also be flipped: I could suggest that a sexual predator who is going to stalk and rape someone is going to do it anyway, and doesn't need the porn to empower him to do so. He most likely would have watched a lot of porn, but that would have had no impact on his future actions against other people.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Seriously, anyone that likes this stuff creeps me out totally. I mean what would it take for them to cross the line into unconsentual territory? Anyone under certain conditions are capable of anything.

It might have more to do a person's brain than any stimuli in the environment.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/dark-patch-xray-killers-brain-scans-212141274.html

So basically there are always going to be people who cross that line and those who refuse to.

I don't know if a rape scene in a movie would push a sociopath over the edge any more than seeing a pretty woman sitting on a bench, feeding birds.

 

[Teelie]

To use the similar example here of "monkey see, monkey do" there is the more well tread violent video games/movies/media will cause children to become violent and act out these scenes.

Literally millions upon millions of people have played video games and hundreds of millions more watched violent movies. How many people re-enact those games or scenes from movies in real life compared to how many don't? The percentage that do are so small and already inclined to do so that it if it wasn't a movie or a game that "inspired" them then it would be something else. Only the method of inspiration changes, not the impulse or the desire.

You may say there is no redeeming value in simulated rape but there are people, females and males, who do enjoy the fantasy and it's fine. It's safe. No one gets hurt. It's like a roller-coaster or a haunted house, a scary movie or a game. You get that scare and excitement knowing it isn't dangerous which gives you a rush, only it involves sex in this case.

It's not something I'm into. I'm not into romance novels either, or watching musicals but if other people like it, c'est la vie. Let those who enjoy it, enjoy it.

 

[Godzilla2000]

*sigh* I just wish that people would keep their sick, twisted, disturbing fantasies to themselves and those more receptive to their sicknesses. I feel like I just don't belong in this world as people see it nowadays.

 

[moviedoors]

Seriously, anyone that likes this stuff creeps me out totally. I mean what would it take for them to cross the line into unconsentual territory?

Speaking as someone into kinky, bdsm oriented things: absolutely nothing would get me to cross that line. Is that clear? NOTHING.

 

[Godzilla2000]

That's okay, but I just cannot feel comfortable about this stuff. I guess having an obsessive "friend" like I've had to deal with for the past couple of years has given me a complex about people into disturbing obsessive behavior.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Speaking as someone into kinky, bdsm oriented things: absolutely nothing would get me to cross that line. Is that clear? NOTHING.

Yup.

I'm actually trying to speak out about this a lot, because... shocker... i'm a girl and I like this kind of porn.

Does that make me a bit odd to some people? Sure. So do a lot of fetishes.

But I think finding domination by a man exciting is a pretty basic, primal and well understood impulse that a lot of women enjoy to certain degrees.

Or 50 shades of grey wouldn't have the mass appeal it does.

Yes, 'rape' porn does take it a level further in that there is level of 'complaint' (that is obviously faked) - but it's still just role play.

IT IS NOT REAL.

And as someone who has woken up to a guy trying to do stuff to me in my sleep, I can tell you that I don't find the real thing sexy at all. In fact, it was one of the most horrible experiences of my life.

I don't make any claim that me finding 'rape' porn sexy is 'normal', or that it should be openly out there for the world to see unless they are looking for it (it's not like I talk to my friends about it all the time or anything, it's my own private thing)... but if it's what I find turns me on, then why should I have to supress that or be treated like a criminal for enjoying it?

I am not hurting anyone. There is absolutely no negative result of me watching it.

So to be honest, even if this law does pass, i'll still be watching it.

I just can't see a scenario in which police officers would actually come round my house to arrest me for it.

And if they did, i'd sell my stories to the papers and i'm sure it'd be a pretty huge deal.

Because i'm not a criminal. I've hurt no one. And it's my own private goddamn business!

 

[Godzilla2000]

I have a question, what would you do if you found out after the fact the subject of a "torture porn" you were watching and being aroused by in a video or looking at in an image was not as compliant as you thought they were either because they are forced to participate because they fear for their lives genuinely or by being drugged, hypnotized, etc. by the perpetrators?

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well, at least in America, porn is a pretty regulated industry... And this is like, the most common thing out there women watch (even if few will admit it). It's simulated. Not real. If it's real, they go straight to jail.

But really, I'd be more concerned about this being a slippery slope.

 

[jmc]

Seriously, anyone that likes this stuff creeps me out totally. I mean what would it take for them to cross the line into unconsentual territory? Anyone under certain conditions that inhibit their level of self control like drugs and/or alcohol intake is capable of anything.

I think my biggest issue with anything is the level of ability to keep negative, unconsented behaviors in check and the community in general preventing such amoral behaviors from disrupting the public's safety. To me the most dangerous belief is telling yourself it can never happen.

Because most people are aware of what is fantasy and what is reality and so will never cross any line. People don't just wake up one morning and say 'Man that rape porn sure looked like fun, I might give that a go'. People get off on all sorts of stuff, it doesn't mean that actually want to do it for real. It's fantasy, as long as no one is getting hurt I don't see what the issue is.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I have a question, what would you do if you found out after the fact the subject of a "torture porn" you were watching and being aroused by in a video or looking at in an image was not as compliant as you thought they were either because they are forced to participate because they fear for their lives genuinely or by being drugged, hypnotized, etc. by the perpetrators?

That question could be asked of ANY porn.

 

[jmc]

I have a question, what would you do if you found out after the fact the subject of a ''torture porn'' you were watching and being aroused by in a video or looking at in an image was not as compliant as you thought they were either because they are forced to participate because they fear for their lives genuinely or by being drugged, hypnotized, etc. by the perpetrators?

The assumption is that it's all being done with people's consent. If my football team loses is there the possibility that they threw the game deliberately due to bribery? Yes, but more than likely the answer is no.