The Avengers Everything about the MCU is going to change now [spoilers]

[leke101]

So we've just been given an amazing Avengers film. Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow and Hawkeye all came together to save the world from destruction. But what happens now in each of the separate franchises?

Yes, Thor has returned to Asgard, Iron Man has gone back to his gadgets and Captain America is with SHIELD but surely the events of The Avengers is going to have ramifications on each of the title character's franchise films. Iron Man 3 will be a technological thriller but with what has occurred in TA, would audiences still find Iron Man's battle with robotic, technological enemies as exciting? Won't audiences now simply ask "why doesn't Tony just call the Hulk, SHIELD or Cap for help?" In the CA sequel, will Steve visit Tony Stark for help, will he work along side Black Widow and Hawkeye?

The MCU is great but this isn't a comic book and it is going to be difficult for Marvel to now keep everything consistent and in check. They have opened the pandora box now where anything is possible in this cinematic universe and I just wonder how Marvel are going to juggle it all in the following individual hero films and the inevitable Avengers 2.

Thoughts?

 

[spider-neil]

marvel have written themselves into a corner because when we get the individual movies whenever the hero is in peril everyone (the audience) will wonder they they don't just call their friends in the avengers.

 

[leke101]

Exactly, spider-neil. This something we will see in the hero's post-Avengers films. Surely, Stark and Banner exchanged numbers(due to their mutual respect with one another as fellow men of science) so the audience will ask "why doesn't Iron Man just call for help from the Hulk?"

It might end up that Marvel producers start inserting really contrived and unbelievable reasons as to why the other heroes don't show up. It works in comic books but it may seem a bit jarring in this live action Marvel universe.

 

[Herolee10]

1. Thor Primarily works in Asgard (The Nine Realms)

2. Captain America could be off in some secret mission that prevents him from making contact with anyone.

3. Banner could be dealing with the likes of "The Leader" in some remote area.

4. Hawkeye and BW could be preoccupied with assignments of their own

5. Iron Man as far as Kevin Feige has said,

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will be cut off from the world or from being able to make contact with any of his allies in Iron Man 3

Plus, it's all really about timing. It could be the case where the events of the sequels take place roughly around the same time, thus further explaining on how each hero is preoccupied with their own crap.

 

[Adamantium Man]

They only painted themselves in a corner if they lack the creativity to paint themselves out again. The situation has existed in the comics for decades, and for decades, there have been reasons why a single hero didn't call in the Avengers. I'm not worried.

 

[Shadowlord X]

Trust in MARVEL!!!!!!!

 

[Incredible Hans]

Yes, Thor has returned to Asgard, Iron Man has gone back to his gadgets and Captain America is with shield

Captain America is always "with shield". t:

 

[J.Howlett]

Thor is the only one who really won't have this problem, considering he's going to be doing his thing in the nine realms.

As for the others, it's going to be hard to justify why they don't call on each other. I'm sure they'll figure something out but it better be good....

 

[Incredible Hans]

Yes, the explanation for Thor working without the other's help is easy.

For the Hulk, it depends on the story. If the Hulk is taken to "another place" in his movie (Planet Hulk, Future Imperfect), it would be the same as for Thor.
But even a Hulk story that takes place on Earth in our time could have a good explanation why no other avengers are contacted. If the protagonist is Hulk (and not Banner!) most of the time, it is easy to understand that such a creature as the Hulk wouldn't get to his mobile phone, saying "Hey Tony, I'm in trouble..."

Cap could be on a mission that is both secret and personal. With a good storywriter, it could look plausible that he does it alone.

 

[cherokeesam]

They only painted themselves in a corner if they lack the creativity to paint themselves out again. The situation has existed in the comics for decades, and for decades, there have been reasons why a single hero didn't call in the Avengers. I'm not worried.

This answers the first poster's question. /closethread


Seriously, this dilemma has existed for decades, and Marvel has *never* had a problem explaining why the individual heroes can't expect or ask for the cavalry to help them out whenever things get too tough.

If nothing else, it's an ego thing. Heroes gotta do for themselves.

 

[spider-neil]

They only painted themselves in a corner if they lack the creativity to paint themselves out again. The situation has existed in the comics for decades, and for decades, there have been reasons why a single hero didn't call in the Avengers. I'm not worried.

fans will accept it but will the general audience?

 

[J.Howlett]

fans will accept it but will the general audience?

That's the question....general audiences. It's going to be interesting.

 

[Mjölnir]

I don't see it as a problem at all. They all have their own lives and their own drives. Just because they come together to face a threat to the entire Earth doesn't mean they will run around helping each other with every single thing that happens.

Thor won't even be in Midgard much at all. Stark should be extremely busy all the time. Cap (I assume), Widow and Hawkeye are subject to SHIELD:s plans. The biggest unknown is what Banner is going to do now as he shouldn't have to run anymore.

If they can get the audiences to buy that superheroes are constantly defying physics for the sake of cool, that radioactivity, mutation etc give said superpowers, that smart heroes avoid doing things that would help them (for example Batman and guns) and so on, they can do this.

 

[Adamantium Man]

I think ego is going to be the biggest hindrance. I don't see Tony Stark call the Hulk because he can't handle his problem by himself, or God forbid, Steve Rogers. He'd never hear the end of it. "Big man in a suit of armor, can't even deal with his own problems. Your father was a bigger man than you'll ever be." He'd rather die taking care of his own mess than risk that, lol.

 

[Orphix]

I think this is a legitamate problem for the writers. It seems that IM3 has been solved with the whole corporate espionage/thriller type genre they are going with.

I am guessing it will be small, in-house and involved Tony, perhaps, being kidnapped again in some way. If not physically then psychologically.

The trouble is for the villain to be made threatening enough they have to pose a real threat to the protagonist and his life. How do you do this without the general audience thinking that "if he is in that much trouble why not ask for help?".

Another way out of it is to make sure the films happen over a relatively short space of time (like Thor). Meaning that the villain has been dealt with long before anyone else has a chance of showing up. I expect a lot of 'countdowns' in future storylines. Maybe the hero has to do something within a set period of time otherwise the villain wins giving no one else the chance to show up to help.

Mind you, they can also leave things fairly vague and have a few open ended questions. Having watched The Avengers I still

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have no idea where War Machine was or how Thor got to earth

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Anyone know the answers??

 

[Roose Bolton]

^^^ On Thor:

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Loki said that Odin used a great deal of dark energy to teleport him to earth, but since Thor was dependent on getting Loki and using the Tesseract to get home I'm gonna assume that it was a one time deal.

 

[spider-neil]

put it this way, the threat of spider-man 2 would be over in 5 seconds if it happened in the avengers universe.

fury - 'there is an energy surge at the docks. thor, you're up'

*5 seconds later*

thor - 'the threat to midgard hast verily been defeated. the villianous octopus rots in sheild's stronghold'

fury - 'any resistance'

thor - 'a trifle but the arachnid...helped'

 

[J.Howlett]

put it this way, the threat of spider-man 2 would be over in 5 seconds if it happened in the avengers universe.

fury - 'there is an energy surge at the docks. thor, you're up'

*5 seconds later*

thor - 'the threat to midgard hast verily been defeated. the villianous octopus rots in sheild's stronghold'

fury - 'any resistance'

thor - 'a trifle but the arachnid...helped'

****ing Classic! Well done!

 

[L0ngsh0t]

There is probably a lot of **** going on in the MCU. It doesn't make sense for 4 people to always solve everything together. Iron Man is going to China but SHIELD needs Cap in Seattle or something....simple as that.

Them focusing the Iron Man francshie like a Bond film is absolutely the right way to go....just think if everyone solo Iron Man story was like a techno-Casino Royale

the Leader is a logical villain for Hulk and it would make a ton of sense for him to set up this scheme that completely isolates the Hulk from everyone else.

Cap might be tricky because if he's staying with SHIELD you'd assume they have the resources to contact other heroes to help....never underestimate the power a good movie will have to over-shadow it's flaws. Look at the first Pirates, Original Star Wars for examples....movies certainly have flaws but no one really cares. if they make the movies good no one will care

 

[kaijunexus]

"Why don't they just call on their superhero friends to help them all the time now?" is a pretty stupid question.

Let's look at real-life heroes for comparison.

In the event of a major catastrophe, everyone is called to the scene. Police, firefighters, national guard, etc. That was the Avengers.

However, when a cop is confronted with an armed thug, he may rely on his partner on the scene. If the situation escalates to something he can't handle by himself and he has time to do so, he may call for police backup. That is a solo Marvel film.


Had the Avengers been the FIRST Marvel movie, and all others taken place after, do you think they would have played out any differently?

Do you think Iron Man would have contacted Cap for help when Obadiah stole his chest arc?

Do you think Thor would have called upon the Hulk to help him vanquish the Destroyer?


C'mon, people. These characters are interested in dealing with their individual problems INDIVIDUALLY, just like anyone would be. The Avengers was a special circumstance, and they all recognized that. They all understand that it would take an equally special circumstance to call them back together.

 

[Drummerdude7]

Exactly. Some threats can be handled by themselves, and that's that. Each Avenger has proven their ability to deal with catastrophes and villains on their own...no reason why they can't do it again. Although I'm sure future films will make reference to the fact that they cannot call for backup.

 

[Flemm]

Well, one thing's for sure, it will be interesting to see what fans think of to be nervous about next with regard to the MCU.

Before Avengers, it was: this film can't seem like just another movie, it has to feel bigger!

Now it's: it will be hard to go back to solo films after this!

At some point we should probably just stop worrying lol. There will be some ups and downs, but I'd say the hard part is over. Experiment worked. Now the possibilities are endless.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

People won't ask why Cap or Thor doesn't show up in an Iron Man movie. Simply because it's an "Iron Man" movie. There is Iron Man in the title not Iron Man and his Avenging Friends. The GA isn't THAT dumb. This is just an issue for fans underestimating the GA

 

[Drummerdude7]

The positive thing is now that we (and the GA) have been "introduced" to all of these characters, there is more room for story and development without being tied down by the exposition of an origin. We know who they are, we know what they can do, and so we can just jump in headfirst.

 

[Casius--J]

I don't think this is a big problem as some posters have said this has been going on for decades and they haven't had much problem getting around this.

For example the X-Men on a few occasions have gone to the Avengers for some help but only to find that they were all on a mission somewhere. Also I think Spidey did the same for the FF only to find the same results.

Basically everyone has got their own lives and chances are they're not always going to be around to lend a hand. I'm not worried I'm pretty sure most people will accept this and its not far fetched.