Explosions and gunfire in Paris

[TheComicbookKid]

This is armchair BS from my end because I know nothing about the geopolitics of the Middle East or making war - but it seems like the best strategy for taking down ISIS would be for each of them - Obama, Putin, and whomever else is with us against them - to hit whatever areas the terrorist group likes to use as hidey holes. Except do it all at once. So you have Putin continuing his runs over Syria, while we take another country/region etc.

Terrorist ideology is self-fulfilling. If you intervene you are the invaders attacking Islam and if you stay out then it's Islam that must defend itself against the false Muslims so come here.

There's no actual end goal. Isis doesn't want a country/state. No country would develop trade relations with whatever NuSyria they made without Assad.Iran and Cuba didn't alienate the entire world with their American hate despite what bloody actions made their government.

 

[TheCommissioner]

Terrorist ideology is self-fulfilling. If you intervene you are the invaders attacking Islam and if you stay out then it's Islam that must defend itself against the false Muslims so come here.

There's no actual end goal. Isis doesn't want a country/state. No country would develop trade relations with whatever NuSyria they made without Assad.Iran and Cuba didn't alienate the entire world with their American hate despite what bloody actions made their government.

that's what a lot of people seem to be missing, and why fighting them requires a new type of warfare

how do you fight an enemy that isn't after land or money or sovereignty?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

that's what a lot of people seem to be missing, and why fighting them requires a new type of warfare

how do you fight an enemy that isn't after land or money or sovereignty?

I think most people understand it. That's why they roll their eyes at politicians "bomb them" or "we must defeat them" rhetoric.

The Arab Spring had so many people hopeful cause it was the Muslim world taking action through inspiration to do something meaningful and it turned into civil wars in some states(which probably scared off others) instead of solid reforms.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

I doubt apologizing for colonial misdeeds will make a shred of difference to the type of people who join terrorist groups intent on mass murder. I don't think anyone who affiliates with fanatics like ISIS is owed anything.

Almost every country in the world has disgruntled citizens. Some of those are willing to commit criminal acts.

I think any acknowledgement for past offenses is always a step in the right direction. I never said it would completely stop terrorists. It is a step in the right direction. Hollande did acknowledge of 'suffering' of the Algerians, but stopped short of apologizing for the massacres their armies inflicted on the local population. Why would that be?

 

[TheCommissioner]

French airstrike against targets in ISIS held Syrian territory

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/15/us-france-shooting-airstrikes-idUSKCN0T416F20151115

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

As a french citizen, I'm really furious to see crap like this written. I don't know where you live, but the only one Who spread **** like this are dieudonne and Alain soral ... Two antisemitic and homophobic hate propaganders.

I live in a place where muslims and non muslims live together. Of course there are problems, of course there is the economic problem, which touch more the muslim and black community ( because they came from a poorest background ) but nobody is oppressed here.

Oh, and don't tell muslims that they have to be integrated more, they are already fully integrated french.

I admire your enthusiasm in the prospects of integration. I do believe there are millions of well integrated North Africans and/or Muslims, but the truth can bite hard. The French Arab/Muslim community has still suffered from racism, and according to the BBC, the unemployment rate for university graduates of French origin is 5%; this can be compared to the unemployment rate of 26.5% for university graduates of North African origin. (Source). A report of Amnesty International investigates racially motivated executions in French banlieue's, murders and abuses committed by the French police and the leniency expressed by the French government into investigating such cases has been published April 2, 2009. The report has mostly been censored by French news. You can find it here: http://www.statewatch.org/news/2009/apr/ai-france-police-report.pdf. The riots in 2005 that left France in a state of emergency only brought the problem to light for a brief period.

It doesn't help also, that although understated, the French terrorists that attacked the satirical newspaper were brainwashed in prison, of which 70% of the inmates are Muslim. When the dust settles, I think at least one of these attackers will be a disgruntled French Muslim from the French Banlieue's brainwashed from the very same prisons.

 

[Teelie]

French airstrike against targets in ISIS held Syrian territory

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/15/us-france-shooting-airstrikes-idUSKCN0T416F20151115

I wonder if that is the response ISIS was hoping for. Somehow I doubt it.

 

[TheCommissioner]

anyone thinking the French are delicate flowers need to take a step back

the GIGN and RAID response teams (part of the National Gendarmiere) are among the best in the world, our guys cross train with them

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

I wonder if that is the response ISIS was hoping for. Somehow I doubt it.

France had been attacking/bombing ISIS in Syria and Iraq before the terrorist attacks. I think it was already expected. This terrorist attack was just payback.

 

[C. Lee]

France had been attacking/bombing ISIS in Syria and Iraq before the terrorist attacks. I think it was already expected. This terrorist attack was just payback.

Uh no.....it wasn't payback.....it was a cowardly act perpetrated by psychopaths who like to hurt people.

 

[Victarion]

Terrorist ideology is self-fulfilling. If you intervene you are the invaders attacking Islam and if you stay out then it's Islam that must defend itself against the false Muslims so come here.

There's no actual end goal. Isis doesn't want a country/state. No country would develop trade relations with whatever NuSyria they made without Assad.Iran and Cuba didn't alienate the entire world with their American hate despite what bloody actions made their government.

To the first part: true and that is exactly what I hopped to prevent. Give them so much hell that they don't have time to regroup and start churning out their propaganda.

 

[terry78]

The Internet is all over the map now. I see people going with the Americans created ISIS theory and urging others to lay it at our feet, people blaming the whole of the Muslim community, etc. Meanwhile these ****ers are sitting back admiring their handwork. Get them at each other's throats seems to be their modus operandi.

 

[Thundercrack85]

That's not a theory. American policies in a large part led to the creation of ISIS. Specifically, the 2003 invasion, and then the disastrous policies of Bush and Paul Bremer. Like firing the Iraqi army, but not taking their weapons. Barring anyone who was in the Baath party (Saddam Hussein's political party) from holding a government job, disenfranchising most Sunnis, etc.

But the French can't really blame America too much. It was their man Picot who had one of the biggest roles in quite literally shaping the Middle East into the mess it is today. Especially concerning Syria.

 

[Victarion]

The Internet is all over the map now. I see people going with the Americans created ISIS theory and urging others to lay it at our feet, people blaming the whole of the Muslim community, etc. Meanwhile these ****ers are sitting back admiring their handwork. Get them at each other's throats seems to be their modus operandi.

Less arguing and more kicking ISIS into the grave they've dug for themselves would be nice. This kind of armchair activism won't get anything done. Once ISIS is down, these discussions would be more appropriate.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Uh no.....it wasn't payback.....it was a cowardly act perpetrated by psychopaths who like to hurt people.

You say that like it's a mutually exclusive thing.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Uh no.....it wasn't payback.....it was a cowardly act perpetrated by psychopaths who like to hurt people.

If they just wanted to hurt people, they wouldn't need to attack Paris. Paris was targeted because they joined the campaign against them.

 

[Fallen Angel]

French airstrike against targets in ISIS held Syrian territory

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/15/us-france-shooting-airstrikes-idUSKCN0T416F20151115

And the poor people of Raqqa who can't leave their livelihoods will die but no one will think of them over here in the west.

 

[jmc]

ISIS may have used the Playstation Network to plan this attack. No matter how much nations will try to stop these guys, they will always find work arounds to communicate.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

To the first part: true and that is exactly what I hopped to prevent. Give them so much hell that they don't have time to regroup and start churning out their propaganda.

Ideas are bulletproof.

The Middle East needs hope. One of these countries needs to pull itself together financially(no oil) and secular/spiritually to be an example out of this terrorist ideology or Isis will morph into something else like how it came from Al-Qaeda.

 

[chaseter]

Obama is starting to get blame for this in some places.

Ummm Obama's drone strikes have killed more innocent lives than Bush's drone and boots on the ground campaigns. You know what creates turd terrorists? Seeing their friends and family blown up.

This whole Bush is the devil Obama is the messiah crap has gotten old and tired. At some point the liberals have to wake up and see that they have a lot of death dealers and war mongerers in their ranks.

 

[Paradoxium]

Dear BlackLivesMatter, starting a #****Paris hashtag is not winning you any points.

 

[Schlosser85]

Dear BlackLivesMatter, starting a #****Paris hashtag is not winning you any points.

Frankly, just as trashy as I'd expect.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Dear BlackLivesMatter, starting a #****Paris hashtag is not winning you any points.

What a joke of a "movement". Them and some of those Missouri protestors.

Just read some of these tweets:

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/11/471...rison-of-paris-murders-to-black-lives-matter/

 

[Paradoxium]

So NATO will take east of Syria now (ISIS retreats to Iraq), the Russians/Iranians/Assad take the west. Gonna be one hell of a stand off.

 

[Paradoxium]

Here is my proposal with the refugee situation.

Only accept young children, women and the elderly. This is traditionally and historically the refugee demographic. Not the current able bodied fighting age men, (around 3/4) flooding into Europe. The men should be fighting for their homelands. I fathom the hard right will find this "acceptable" even.

It's not a perfect but would relieve the pressure valve imo.