Final Crisis: Rogues Revenge

I agree with you on the pre crisis thing. I think there were (not all) a lot of excellent comicbook before infinite crisis. I loved the Teen Titans as they were, I think that was perfect, I loved how the Outsiders were, I think that was perfect, I loved how The Flash/Birds of Prey and JSA were. I think GL is quite good right now and there are great batman stories right now. but that's it.
 
There's a lot of great stuff at DC, no doubt, but I went back once and looked at all the DCU titles for about a year pre-IC, and I just couldn't find an issue that I hadn't loved. Maybe one or two, I don't recall, but by and large, it was just solid awesome output.
 
I read the Final issue and it was great. Two huge things bothered me in the finale

1
Did Weather Wizard's baby really bite the dust? I didn't see the body, but I thought that was crazy Inertia came out of nowhere and did that. When I first read it, I thought he said, "Snap Time" instead of "Nap time."

2 and the hugest let down for me
Zoom is no more?! How can that be?! I thought he was one of the coolest rogues and his powers was zapped from Inertia?! No way, I'm sure he may have a little power lying dormant in him or I can see Johns' setting it up where Professor Zoom comes back and helps Zolomon Hunter become ZOOM again. I know they will probably do that for when Barry comes back and make Professor Zoom a threat once again. Either way, I was flaming they did that to ZOOM, and it leaves a opening for ZOOM to come back because Hunter will probably do whatever it takes to get his powers back and they didn't kill him off. MAN!! I still can't get over it.

On a side note, I thought the Rogues' strategy of waiting for the dust to settle after Final Crisis is smart and realistic, for them to stay in hiding. I like them working as a unit. They know there limits and that they will benefit once everything is over. Awesome book and I'm looking forward to people's opinions about it.
 
I liked the Rogues conversation about Barry in the last pages.
 
The mini was so good. I'm thinking revelations should have been 3 issues as well because barely anything happens in each issue of that.
 
It was pretty good but
the whole kid zoom thing seemed sooo sliver agey IMO and ZOOM losing his powers makes the Flash legacy seem to digress even more.
The whole mini seemed to belittle both Wally and Bart to try to make Barry look better. :down
 
04nbod said:
The mini was so good. I'm thinking revelations should have been 3 issues as well because barely anything happens in each issue of that.
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Revelations is a lot to take in. Fcking Rucka.
 
Flash Facts said:
It was pretty good but
the whole kid zoom thing seemed sooo sliver agey IMO and ZOOM losing his powers makes the Flash legacy seem to digress even more.
The whole mini seemed to belittle both Wally and Bart to try to make Barry look better. :down
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Rebirth prequel, then? ;)
 
Very much so. The whole dialogue at the end didn't even make sense. I shudder to think how much farther down Wally will be dragged.
 
Excellent finale to an EXCELLENT series.

However, I was disappointed that they depowered Zoom. Evidently, this is to clear the way for Professor Zoom to make his return. Which is a shame, as Zolomon has in my opinion eclipsed Thawne, as I've stated before.

Best moment of the whole book - and something that, for me, summed up the entire series - was Captain Cold saying "This is for one #*%& year" just as the Rogues [BLACKOUT]fry Inertia[/BLACKOUT]. It really seems to lay out the mission statement for the series. After the way they were handled during the killing of Bart Allen story, and after Countdown/Salvation Run, the Rogues are back with a vengeance, re-established once more as among the best villains the DCU has to offer.
 
Why is Barry more serious than Wally? Wally's villains kill more people...
 
Keyser Soze said:
However, I was disappointed that they depowered Zoom. Evidently, this is to clear the way for Professor Zoom to make his return. Which is a shame, as Zolomon has in my opinion eclipsed Thawne, as I've stated before.
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I don't get why they'd do that just cause it'd be so much more fun to have the two of them meet up. You could get a real Joker/Luthor vibe going.
 
fifthfiend said:
I don't get why they'd do that just cause it'd be so much more fun to have the two of them meet up. You could get a real Joker/Luthor vibe going.
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That happened in Johns' Rogues War. Zoom ended up using the cosmic treadmill and recruited Professor Zoom. I think they will just have
Hunter be on the side of good for a bit, working with Barry and eventually will have the opportunity to either remain good or become Zoom again. I still can't believe Johns' had Zoom trust Inertia. If he ever gets his powers back, he better not lend it to anyone again.
 
Great finale that let me know that DC has some talent left.
 
I don't know if I like the implication Johns leaves the mini with. From what I understood, the Rogues are going to get "serious" and stop playing by their own rules because... Barry is somehow tougher than Wally, I guess? I don't know what their reasoning is, really. I hope Johns doesn't wind up undoing the sense of unwritten rules to the Rogues that he created during his run. That was, like, 99% of the fun of this mini, even.
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
I don't know if I like the implication Johns leaves the mini with. From what I understood, the Rogues are going to get "serious" and stop playing by their own rules because... Barry is somehow tougher than Wally, I guess? I don't know what their reasoning is, really. I hope Johns doesn't wind up undoing the sense of unwritten rules to the Rogues that he created during his run. That was, like, 99% of the fun of this mini, even.
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I think Flash Rebirth will reestablish a ton of things and probably include a mini review of Barry over the years and have a recap of Barry's villains, especially Professor Zoom. I would imagine it would be similar to Green Lantern Rebirth, having Sinestro come back, so will Professor Zoom for Barry in Rebirth. Prof. Zoom had a huge impact on Barry and I think they will probably go over how Prof. Zoom had plastic surgery to look like Barry, gaining super speed, and traveling in time to try and kill Iris.

I think Johns' safeguarded the Rogues by ending it that way, so if a new writer takes over and doesn't write exactly like what Johns' would have done with the Rogues, it's okay because the Rogues are "adjusting" the rules around Barry. Either way, I'm interested in reading Rebirth to see what Johns does with the whole Flash universe. I really can't see Johns throwing Wally in a ditch after all of the work he put into him over his 5 year run and just be like Barry is the main Flash like Hal Jordan is the main Green Lantern.
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
I don't know if I like the implication Johns leaves the mini with. From what I understood, the Rogues are going to get "serious" and stop playing by their own rules because... Barry is somehow tougher than Wally, I guess? I don't know what their reasoning is, really. I hope Johns doesn't wind up undoing the sense of unwritten rules to the Rogues that he created during his run. That was, like, 99% of the fun of this mini, even.
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I may be wrong (I often am), but what I got from that finale wasn't so much that the Rogues are going to throw their rules and ethical codes out the window to become hardened killers. Rather, they are merely taking this approach in their dealings with The Flash, because when it comes to Barry Allen, they'll be playing for keeps.

I've seen some say the finale was supposed to be undermining Wally West, and hyping up Barry as the "better" Flash. I disagree. I read it more like, while (through Johns' run, at least) Wally West often found himself as a grudging ally of The Rogues, or caught in the crossfire while The Rogues were embroiled in other issues, Barry Allen always treated The Rogues as serious threats, and as outright villains just the same way he'd treat a Grodd or a Professor Zoom.

So what the finale was setting up for me, was that the time of Flash and The Rogues dancing around each other is over. With the return of Barry Allen - who will be looking for revenge for the death of his grandson - the stakes have been raised. Now, Flash and The Rogues - or more specifically, Barry Allen and his oldest active enemy, Captain Cold - are on a collision course, for an inevitable, and very personal, battle.
 
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Wally never seemed to be a grudging ally to me. He outright reached out and helped reform a few of the Rogues. It comes off sounding like the Rogues didn't take Wally seriously because he wasn't a vicious bastard.
 
It will all be very interesting more or less, thats what i got from this deal.
 
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