Fire Scott Buck?

[Dasher10]

Two shows that he's ruined so far and the second of which managed to underperform so far. Before 2017, Marvel Studios never had a single failure.

Agent Carter got canceled but it wasn't by any means a, "bad" show and critics liked it. Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark World weren't beloved by critics or fans but they were at least considered, "good enough."

Should Scott Buck be given a third chance or should Marvel fire him the second the 8th episode of Inhumans airs?

 

[Stark Bauer]

Two shows that he's ruined so far and the second of which managed to underperform so far. Before 2017, Marvel Studios never had a single failure.

Agent Carter got canceled but it wasn't by any means a, "bad" show and critics liked it. Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark World weren't beloved by critics or fans but they were at least considered, "good enough."

Should Scott Buck be given a third chance or should Marvel fire him the second the 8th episode of Inhumans airs?

Inhumans isn't Marvel STudios. It's MARVEL TV, whole different operation. But I would counter argue that it is indeed the MCU's first failure.

 

[2kt09]

Two shows that he's ruined so far and the second of which managed to underperform so far. Before 2017, Marvel Studios never had a single failure.

Agent Carter got canceled but it wasn't by any means a, "bad" show and critics liked it. Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark World weren't beloved by critics or fans but they were at least considered, "good enough."

Should Scott Buck be given a third chance or should Marvel fire him the second the 8th episode of Inhumans airs?

Spoiler

The Incredible Hulk was a mistake.

This year has been quite the eye-opener for the MCU. It's been fairly substandard.
Agents of Shield's remaining s4 episodes and Spider-man Homecoming may be the only major outliers & even then the viewership for AoS has been really down.

If this is all Buck's doing, we'll know for sure once the 4 remaining MCU properties release, yes sir-re he's a blight.

 

[Darepool]

Spoiler

The Incredible Hulk was a mistake.

This year has been quite the eye-opener for the MCU. It's been fairly substandard.
Agents of Shield's remaining s4 episodes and Spider-man Homecoming may be the only major outliers & even then the viewership for AoS has been really down.

If this is all Buck's doing, we'll know for sure once the 4 remaining MCU properties release, yes sir-re he's a blight.

We have to distinguish again, as I don't think most people link the fortunes of TV with the films, and vice versa. The 'MCU' as most know it is in fact the 'cinematic' universe, while the TV productions are just hanger-ons. The Netflix stuff is great, but still, it's INO. While I haven't watched AoS since season 2, I'll take you on your word.

As for Buck, the dudes already gone, I can promise you that Marvel has wiped their hands of him. Once Inhumans dies a slow death, you'll never here from him in this universe again.

Now all eyes are on Loeb, who clearly is capable of making irrational decisions.

 

[2kt09]

Now all eyes are on Loeb, who clearly is capable of making irrational decisions.

Quesada, Loeb, Fine, and Wacker (recently got promoted)

 

[Darepool]

Quesada, Loeb, Fine, and Wacker (recently got promoted)

Well they are on Ike's side of the fence. Nothing to do with Feige or Marvel Studios anymore, thankfully.

 

[2kt09]

Well they are on Ike's side of the fence. Nothing to do with Feige or Marvel Studios, thankfully.

[blackout]I was joking on blaming everything on Buck if that wasn't clear.[/blackout]
Although, the whole MCU thing...the intention is to package the shows and movies together
otherwise the shows could be so...much better (selection-wise & even creatively speaking).
We know there's a physical rift between the tv and movie divisions.

 

[Darepool]

[blackout]I was joking on blaming everything on Buck if that wasn't clear.[/blackout]
Although, the whole MCU thing...the intention is to package the shows and movies together
otherwise the shows could be so...much better (selection-wise & even creatively speaking).
We know there's a physical rift between the tv and movie divisions.

I think the intention was to make them more linked in the beginning, but it's well known that Feige and Marvel Studios were not happy with AoS, so despite the 'it's all connected' schtik, you'll never see them share the screen together. Great in that case, but not so much with the Netflix crew, who would be great in the films. No Charlie C with Robbie D, or Vinny D in Spidey 3...

 

[Dasher10]

I feel like the Defenders are in their own corner of the Marvel U. Having Hulk or Thor show up would be immersion breaking. I can see Jessica Jones appear in Captain Marvel and Daredevil appear in Spider-Man but not the other way around.

And I really liked Guardians 2 and felt like Defenders had some weak villains but was otherwise enjoyable. The only real flaws in the MCU this year were Iron Fist and Inhumans, both of which were Scott Buck's fault. Scott Buck is to Marvel Studios what Josh Trank is to the Marvel properties at Fox.

 

[2kt09]

I think the intention was to make them more linked in the beginning, but it's well known that Feige and Marvel Studios were not happy with AoS, so despite the 'it's all connected' schtik, you'll never see them share the screen together. Great in that case, but not so much with the Netflix crew, who would be great in the films. No Charlie C with Robbie D, or Vinny D in Spidey 3...

From what I've seen from the ABC shows, those agents & etc. (the other characters from Agent Carter) hypothetically have a higher affinity to crossover than the Netflix crew. Heck, they used the same actress to play two different characters in the shared universe.

I feel like the Defenders are in their own corner of the Marvel U. Having Hulk or Thor show up would be immersion breaking. I can see Jessica Jones appear in Captain Marvel and Daredevil appear in Spider-Man but not the other way around.

The agents would appear in Captain Marvel. Dunno why JJ in that wouldn't be immersion breaking.

Scott Buck is to Marvel Studios what Josh Trank is to the Marvel properties at Fox.

If only that were the case. Scott Buck has quite a lot more clout, more hours of content to oversee, and hasn't yet butt heads with his overlords.

 

[Dasher10]

And I've heard some great pre-release buzz for Punisher, Runaways and Thor. I don't think that any of those will flop. Agents of SHIELD Season 5 presumably won't get the same level of ratings as previous seasons but quality-wise will turn out okay.

2018 has Black Panther (which looks incredible from the trailer), four seasons of new Netflix shows (and Raven Metzner can't possibly fail as hard as Scott Buck did), Ant-Man and the Wasp (which has a really cool villain) and Infinity War which will easily gross a billion.

Not sure how Cloak and Dagger or New Warriors will turn out since Cloak and Dagger has low production values and is marketed at Twilight fans and New Warriors is a TV comedy. Those are both risky.

 

[Darepool]

And I've heard some great pre-release buzz for Punisher, Runaways and Thor. I don't think that any of those will flop. Agents of SHIELD Season 5 presumably won't get the same level of ratings as previous seasons but quality-wise will turn out okay.

2018 has Black Panther (which looks incredible from the trailer), four seasons of new Netflix shows (and Raven Metzner can't possibly fail as hard as Scott Buck did), Ant-Man and the Wasp (which has a really cool villain) and Infinity War which will easily gross a billion.

Not sure how Cloak and Dagger or New Warriors will turn out since Cloak and Dagger has low production values and is marketed at Twilight fans and New Warriors is a TV comedy. Those are both risky.

Again, don't mix up TV and Movies, apples and oranges beyond the loose affinity they may have towards one another. I expect Thor and Black Panther to be great, but sticking to the TV side of things (which is really what we're talking about) even if the Runaways and Punisher are great, the prospect of more ABC shows make me gag more then excited. The Ridley project may be the outlier, but in this day and age most network shows are for the dogs. They should stick to cable or streaming services.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Scott Buck is hired for a contract. I think he would just not get hired again rather than fired.

 

[Flint Marko]

This year has been quite the eye-opener for the MCU. It's been fairly substandard.
Agents of Shield's remaining s4 episodes and Spider-man Homecoming may be the only major outliers

The Defenders and Guardians Volume 2 would certainly qualify as outliers. The only 2017 MCU installments that can be described as substandard are Buck's work.

 

[metaphysician]

Also, really, remember to distinguish between Marvel Studios and Marvel Cinematic Universe. The various TV and Netflix shows may not be produced by Marvel Studios proper, but they *are* part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

 

[2kt09]

And I've heard some great pre-release buzz for Punisher, Runaways and Thor. I don't think that any of those will flop.

Not sure how Cloak and Dagger or New Warriors will turn out since Cloak and Dagger has low production values and is marketed at Twilight fans

lol

{underlined}Honestly, was just talking about letdowns
Homecoming & AoS's 3 arc approach were the only real pleasant surprises
I figured Iron Fist couldn't possibly be as bad as projected
I figured GOTG2 wouldn't just be another inferior comedy sequel
I figured The Defenders wouldn't be such a weird extension of DDs2 and Iron Fist

 

[Dasher10]

Also, really, remember to distinguish between Marvel Studios and Marvel Cinematic Universe. The various TV and Netflix shows may not be produced by Marvel Studios proper, but they *are* part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Same goes for the Sony films. I fully expect Mysterio and Nightwatch to flop hard.

 

[Darepool]

Says Sony. Marvel could say they're not. End of Story. At least the TV shows are produced by Marvel proper. At this point Sony is just pulling rabbits out of their butt to legitimize these spin-offs. I hope there can be a partnership of some kind moving forward, but until it's officially announced and Marvel is on board, Sony is on an island.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Sure, fire him, so far he's more bad news than useful.

Spoiler

The Incredible Hulk was a mistake.

NO.

 

[metaphysician]

Says Sony. Marvel could say they're not. End of Story. At least the TV shows are produced by Marvel proper. At this point Sony is just pulling rabbits out of their butt to legitimize these spin-offs. I hope there can be a partnership of some kind moving forward, but until it's officially announced and Marvel is on board, Sony is on an island.

Yeah, the Spider-man movies are part of the MCU. The theoretical spinoffs? Only if Marvel actually has creative control.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Also there is a distinction between Netflix-exclusive binge watching Marvel TV vs. ABC-weekly episodic Marvel TV.

The difference is, no pun intended, STARK.

 

[TheVileOne]

You can't really "fire" the guy. He's a hired gun. Came in, did Iron Fist, then did Inhumans. I mean, if Inhumans somehow did well and continued, I guess you could fire him. But it's not that simple.

 

[metaphysician]

OTOH, they definitely shouldn't rehire him. But that probably will be moot, as it looks highly doubtful that Inhumans will get renewed, and Iron Fist already replaced him.

 

[VenomsMom]

This guy is done. Inhumans was better off getting the big screen treatment anyways. And when they put it on the alphabet network that was a disastrous choice.