Florida Pastor To Burn Qurans On 9/11

[Alex The Great]

You think moderate muslims are just sitting back, not caring about the radicals?

 

[Paradoxium]

Yeah you guys have gotten loads done in the middle east. Loads

I agree, kind of like the Toronto Maple Leafs, and yet fans fill their coffers with money. t:

 

[Paradoxium]

You think moderate muslims are just sitting back, not caring about the radicals?

Lots of fat people care about their weight too.

 

[Alex The Great]

Heh, alright then

Seriously, threatening to bomb a holy site filled with millions of innocent civilians isn't going to help anything. That'll just piss off the moderates and give Osama and his mates more propaganda to tempt moderates to join their cause.

 

[Paradoxium]

I don't see why we needed to get anything done there in the first place, but unfortunately we're stuck there for now.

Well I agree, this is why I want them out of Afghanistan. If you read the Libya stuff, my position is probably obvious as well. And like I mentioned before, even if it means sacrificing the pipeline.

 

[Paradoxium]

Way to dodge my question

It's a rhetorical question. Caring and doing something meaningful are two different things.

 

[Alex The Great]

It's a rhetorical question. Caring and doing something meaningful are two different things.

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I just don't see how threatening to bomb them is going to help anything. It just sounds like a typical American solution.

 

[Paradoxium]

I EDITED

I just don't see how threatening to bomb them is going to help anything. It just sounds like a typical American solution.

If the radicals love their religion as much as they claim, then they should be deterred. No? Thus stalemate and everything goes on.

 

[Alex The Great]

Deterred? It'll just piss them off even more

 

[Paradoxium]

Yes but it is still a stalemate.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I think you have a very simplified view of reality. Understandable given the coddling society has ingrained in it.

So you routinely have the urge to bash peoples' heads in?

No, I don't have violent urges. I get angry and frustrated (such as right now), but I never wish physical harm on anyone. Maybe that's hard for you to believe, but it's true.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I don't even know where to start with the "bombing Mecca" thing. It's so insane I'm not even sure it deserves a sane response.

First, terrorists aren't going to nuke cities. They don't have those kind of capabilities. The worst would be a so-called "dirty bomb", which while bad, would not be a percentage as devastating as a nuclear warhead.

Second, bombing Mecca, the most important symbol of a religion known for its violent extremism is a way to calm things? You're insane. Not only would that be an incredibly cruel and petty act to all the Muslims who aren't extremist (that would be the majority), but your act would create a million Osama Bin Ladens. Mecca is the holiest site in Islam. Every year millions make a pilgrimage to it. If America bombed the very thing that symbolizes their religion, a religion that helps millions of them endure their suffering, poverty and hardships... where do you think they will channel their rage? You think the protests over the burning of the Koran are bad? You would pretty much ensure a permanent state of emergency the world over and the deaths of millions of innocent people for generations to come. I pray to God you never enter politics, but knowing our messed up system you undoubtedly would get elected on the "bomb Mecca" platform just like your hero Tom Tancredo.

 

[Kelly]

I wonder what the Taliban's motive behind bombing the Bamiyan Statues was?

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I wonder what the Taliban's motive behind bombing the Bamiyan Statues was?

To destroy all non-Islamic representations in their state. The Taliban were terrible and we should not emulate their example of intolerance.

 

[Paradoxium]

Tancredo is not my hero. I mention him because I knew 90% of the responses he got from a similar remark. I'm talking about reading responses directly from Muslims. So whatever you said I've already seen if not worse.

Besides the whole point of my post was if they nuke an entire American city. Let me tell you - if that ever happen - how the public will react to it, will be anything but "lets be diplomatic", rollover and play nice. Your welcome to try to disapprove this. The first thing the public will ask after getting a city nuked; how do you retaliate an entity without a a sovereignty?

I mention the Herod Temple for a particular reason. It is almost like what Mecca was to the Jews. But once it was ransacked by the Roman, the Jews had to completely rethink their approach. Their legal system was similar the Sharia law if not even more archaic, PRIOR to the Roman ransack. Ultimately they survived and it had to be changed. Any rituals and enforcement of the laws... it all had to be changed completely.

But here is the thing, I actually don't think America will end up being the ones doing this anyways. There will be a part of the populace that will never allow it. But I think down the line these radicals are going to piss off the wrong people, and it will be inevitably. Normal bombs for Mecca, and Neutron Bomb to wipe out population and take the oil from the intact infrastructure.

I am looking at the Chinese.

 

[Paradoxium]

Don't worry JJJ I doubt I will ever run in politics. I simply don't believe in de facto Democracies. Like to muse on politics here and there, but ultimately rather kickback and explore a little.

 

[Kelly]

To destroy all non-Islamic representations in their state. The Taliban were terrible and we should not emulate their example of intolerance.

Their state? Afghanistan is and was NOT their state...that would be Pakistan.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Their state? Afghanistan is and was NOT their state...that would be Pakistan.

Let's not split hairs here. Yes, Pakistan was mostly responsible for funding and establishing the Taliban, but the Taliban was the representive Afghani government from 1996 to 2001 and most of the foot-soldiers and leaders who ruled within the Taliban were Pashtun Afghans. This is just an undisputable fact. The decision to bomb the statue was agreed at a meeting of Taliban elders a few weeks before it happened. They were almost all Afghans. Abdul Wali, the Minister for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice, was the one who gave the final go-ahead for the demolition. He was an Afghan.

In any event, this is all rather beside the point. The Taliban belong to the dustbins of history. Any actions they took was an aberration of their faith. Unfortunately they still thrive in parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

 

[Schlosser85]

They should just drop Pastor Jones out of a plane over the riot and let the problem take care of itself.

 

[WildcatNC]

So you routinely have the urge to bash peoples' heads in?

No, I don't have violent urges. I get angry and frustrated (such as right now), but I never wish physical harm on anyone. Maybe that's hard for you to believe, but it's true.

Your making a straw man out of it. By using the word "never" you also presented an unbelievable state.

No one is saying that its ok to routinely bash peoples heads in for no reason.


EVERY species employs violence, including humans. Its natural and integral.


My guess is your a utopian of sorts. Probably rarely been through any really rough problems, life or death situations, or had to protect someone from a predator. I could be wrong though. If you've NEVER felt violent then you've probably not had many life experiences of the bad type. Fairly sheltered.

I am comfortable using violence when I feel its needed. Sometimes it is needed and justified. Its the wisdom in the application that is crucial, not its elimination.

 

[SuperFerret]

So you routinely have the urge to bash peoples' heads in?

No, I don't have violent urges. I get angry and frustrated (such as right now), but I never wish physical harm on anyone. Maybe that's hard for you to believe, but it's true.

Yes, I do routinely have the urge to kill someone or something. And that's not hard for me to believe, but it's a result of you being brought up in an environment that discourages natural urges and puts an inordinately high value on life.


Also, Mars is a utopia. Just tossing that out there.

 

[Anubis]

Yes, I do routinely have the urge to kill someone or something. And that's not hard for me to believe, but it's a result of you being brought up in an environment that discourages natural urges and puts an inordinately high value on life.


Also, Mars is a utopia. Just tossing that out there.

Heh, reminds me of that episode of X-files where Mulder wished for world peace, and the Geni got rid of everybody else on the planet.

 

[SuperFerret]

That's why I would never be stupid enough to ask for world peace. It would only ever mean mass extinction.

 

[WildcatNC]

That's why I would never be stupid enough to ask for world peace. It would only ever mean mass extinction.

Truth.

 

[Fading]

Bomb... Mecca.

Man, I'm really trying to hold back, but that has to be in the top 3 dumbest things I've ever seen posted on the Hype for so many different reasons.

I'm off to work, so I can't give a proper response right now, but I'm positively salivating at the thought of raking you over the coals for that ignorant comment later.

You think bombing the holiest site on Earth for a billion Muslims would help resolve anything?

Bombing the **** out of someone isn't always the proper solution

When you bomb Mecca, you're not targeting terrorists, you're targeting 1 billion Muslims.

I have to agree that aside from being an inhumane thing to do, I just don't see how bombing Mecca would be even close to any line of logical thinking towards a solution towards radical terrorists. It's like saying the solution to getting stung by bees is to take a huge ass stick and start beating the beehinve. Or putting out a fire by tossing more gasoline on it.



Then again, this is a very common belief I see on the internet anymore. Blanket statements tossed across entire peoples, as if an entire people or religion hold the values and beliefs of the most extreme fringes. Just as the Florida Pastor burning the Ouran, the military funeral protesters, and people who say gay people or minorities should burn in hell don't represent the values and beliefs of the religions they say they represent, Terrorists and extremists don't represent all Muslims.

How in the world would targeting innocent civilian lives and holy sites ever be a solution to dealing with crazy terrorists. If anything, like said before, you'd just be handing them the best propaganda they could ever wish for to create more terrorists. A lot of terrorists seem off their rocker enough as is that they'd see their deaths as matyrdom, I doubt they'd be scared off by a few bombs on holy sites their forces aren't even at to get hit with.