Comics FNSM Anyone?

[SpideyInATree]

I didn't like a single thing in th' story. Except th' art. Loved th' art. That's about it.

You didn't like that Ben Reilly and Baby May got mentioned?

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Well, okay, that too. But the story as a whole blew.

 

[AmaznSpider-Fan]

I think the ending on this one fell on its face. They could have done so much more with the "Retcon Bombs" and they decided to waste it.

What I gathered from the ending is that since there was a "good" uncle Ben that decided not to kill anyone, the hobo was the "bad" uncle Ben that would. The bad Uncle Ben killed the good one, and took his clothes to pose as him.

 

[Captivated]

Millar's Spidey sucked.

NO it DIDN'T!

I can keep this up indefinitely...

 

[The Joker]

NO it DIDN'T!

I can keep this up indefinitely...

I have to agree with Wolverine Cap, it really was a bad arc.

-Aunt May disappears, and it turns out Norman is behind it......AGAIN!! No shock or surprise factor there.
-Doc Ock is brainwashed to kill Osborn?? BOOOOOOOOO!!!!
-The Ock/Goblin showdown is copped out when they get hit by a bolt of lightning?? LMAO!
-Venom 2 and Venom 3 are born.........Nuff said.
-Norman takes MJ to the bridge. Could they be more unoriginal with the Green Goblin??
-The Sinister twelve are taken down in the blink of an eye. Twelve villains beaten in a few pages. And what the heck was the Lizard doing there btw??

The only good thing about this arc was that it made Electro look like a threat again. After what Bendis did to him in New Avengers, that was nice to see.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I think the ending on this one fell on its face. They could have done so much more with the "Retcon Bombs" and they decided to waste it.

What I gathered from the ending is that since there was a "good" uncle Ben that decided not to kill anyone, the hobo was the "bad" uncle Ben that would. The bad Uncle Ben killed the good one, and took his clothes to pose as him.

Or it could have been a shape shifting villain from the year 2211. I don't think the Uncle Ben from the alternate future knew who the Spider-Man from 2211 was, or even that he would have been from 2211.

By the way, I read # 10 this morning. And I slightly agree that the retcon bomb was misused, but what did you expect to happen? That David was going to write Spider-Man retconing Joe Quesada? Or JMS? Or The Other? Or Sins Past? Would have been a little too easy, and stupid in my opinion.

This was just a fun side story, to take a break from everything that is going on with the unmasking, if anything. However, the ending definitely is interesting as hell...and makes me wonder if it was another alternate Uncle Ben or if it was some type of shape shifter, or someone like Chameleon of 2211, or something like that. It wasn't a bad story overall. Nothing classic, but I also found it interesting that "Hobby" told Spider-Man that there are six places in his life that are significant. She named the two obvious ones...but I wonder what the other four are?

Maybe one is the marriage to Mary Jane. The death of Harry Osborn possibly. The alien symbiote bonding with him. The clone. There are a lot of things that it could be, heh.

 

[bbf2]

-The Sinister twelve are taken down in the blink of an eye. Twelve villains beaten in a few pages. And what the heck was the Lizard doing there btw??

Here's another question: Why was the Chameleon there? They brought him back from the dead with no explanation AGAIN, but more importantly....what the hell was he going to do in a battle?

 

[Captivated]

I have to agree with Wolverine Cap, it really was a bad arc.

-Aunt May disappears, and it turns out Norman is behind it......AGAIN!! No shock or surprise factor there.
-Doc Ock is brainwashed to kill Osborn?? BOOOOOOOOO!!!!
-The Ock/Goblin showdown is copped out when they get hit by a bolt of lightning?? LMAO!
-Venom 2 and Venom 3 are born.........Nuff said.
-Norman takes MJ to the bridge. Could they be more unoriginal with the Green Goblin??
-The Sinister twelve are taken down in the blink of an eye. Twelve villains beaten in a few pages. And what the heck was the Lizard doing there btw??

The only good thing about this arc was that it made Electro look like a threat again. After what Bendis did to him in New Avengers, that was nice to see.

I knew the way they used Ock ruined it for you. But I could hardly wait for each issue.

With all the build up, I was a little disappointed with the last issue... because, even though I liked that MJ called Captain America & Co., which literally saved Peter and the BC, I wanted MJ to do some REAL damage to Norman with that gun, not just fall off the bridge. But, I thought it was the logical place for him to take her... after the history there... I can't think of a better way for the Goblin to torture Peter.

It would have been better to see more of a fight up there between all parties BEFORE lightning struck, but divine intervention doesn't bother me... Overall I still loved it and bought the hardback version when it came out.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Here's another question: Why was the Chameleon there? They brought him back from the dead with no explanation AGAIN, but more importantly....what the hell was he going to do in a battle?

Well, The Chameleon will be in Sensational Spider-Man coming up in August, so you may get some kind of explanation there as Sacasa has been really good at handling Spider-continuity.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

i'm not so sure about this anymore...i went back through the whole arc and he's not wearing a baseball cap once...

i swear he was. anyway, twas only a guess. like i sed before, i was as confused as the majority of you

 

[Bullseye]

The only real good quality about FNSM is Mike Weringo.

 

[bbf2]

Well, The Chameleon will be in Sensational Spider-Man coming up in August, so you may get some kind of explanation there as Sacasa has been really good at handling Spider-continuity.

Doesn't change the fact that he has no place in a massive fistfight. He was beaten up by Mary Jane for chrissakes!

 

[SpideyInATree]

Doesn't change the fact that he has no place in a massive fistfight. He was beaten up by Mary Jane for chrissakes!

I can't really answer for Millar's run. There were a lot of things in that run of his that really didn't make any sense.

 

[imdaly]

Has anyone seen the 7-page preview of issue 29?

Looks really good, but....why does Chameleon wear a trenchcoat and hat to "blend in" and not look suspicious when he can just appear to look like anyone he wants??

 

[bbf2]

Has anyone seen the 7-page preview of issue 29?

Looks really good, but....why does Chameleon wear a trenchcoat and hat to "blend in" and not look suspicious when he can just appear to look like anyone he wants??

Dramatic effect?

It'll be interesting to see what the Chameleon is so pissed about, considering he already knew PP was Spidey and didn't seem to have the same type of "exclusive relationship" type feeling that Norman has.

 

[Shadowknight]

Dramatic effect?

It'll be interesting to see what the Chameleon is so pissed about, considering he already knew PP was Spidey and didn't seem to have the same type of "exclusive relationship" type feeling that Norman has.

Well, the Chameleon and Peter have the type of "open" relationship where they're allowed to date other people. Norman is more of a "one-man" type. Why else do you think he hates Spidey and keeps trying to kill his love interest. They keep getting between his man and himself, those hussies!

 

[spahn]

i think the ending of this arc might have something to do with Mysterio, since he is appearing in the next issue of FNSM. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

overall, the arc was no biggy. i wasnt all that interested in the alternate universe hobby/spider-man coming into a present day spider-man...blah blah blah.

on to the next arc...

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I thought all but one of the last ten issues of FNSM completely sucked, ESPECIALLY the last three. To me, the book seems totally un-nescesary, and brings NOTHING to the saga of Peter Parker. Reverting Flash Thompson back to "jackass" mode was the final straw for me.

However, hanging out at the comic shop today, i checked out #11, and actually enjoyed it, so i went ahead and bought it.

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If that turns out to actually be Quentin Beck on the last page, sporting a slightly altered (but totally kick-ass) new costume, i'll personally give PAD a great big kiss at next year's Dragon Con. (and then a swift kick in the balls for the Flash Thompson debacle).

 

[Shadowknight]

If that turns out to actually be Quentin Beck on the last page, sporting a slightly altered (but totally kick-ass) new costume, i'll personally give PAD a great big kiss at next year's Dragon Con. (and then a swift kick in the balls for the Flash Thompson debacle).

If it is, expect a massive ****storm on the Internet since a number of people think Kevin Smith's Daredevil is one of the best comic runs ever, stupid as it may be to make Mysterio insane, have cancer, and try to destroy Daredevil instead of Spider-man. Yeah, sure, brilliant for killing off a 30 year old character from somone elses rogues gallery

I'd dance for joy if Kraven came back, hating the story that did basically the same thing (out of character, eating a shotgun), but people would go spastic over it too. Before anyone comments - yes, I know most of you loved it, no, I don't care.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

If it is, expect a massived ****storm on the Internet since a number of people think Kevin Smith's Daredevil is one of the best comic runs ever, stupid as it may be to make Mysterio insane, have cancer, and try to destroy Daredevil instead of Spider-man. Yeah, sure, brilliant for killing off a 30 year old character from somone elses rogues gallery

Not to mention killing Karen Page in the same arc!

To me, Silver Age characters should be off limits in regards to "shock value death", unless of course, said characters demise leaves the possibility open for a legitimate return.

brubaker's Foggy Nelson comes immediately to mind as a GOOD example.

 

[stillanerd]

I think I'm not alone in saying that, as good a writer as Peter David is and how much he understands the character of Spider-Man and supporting characters, his Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man has been cursed from the start, but subjected to Joe Quesada's editoral fiats, and is in desperate search of an identity. Amazing Spider-Man at least has Spider-Tool's life as an Avenger, Sensational Spider-Man focuses on Spider-Tool as life as a lone superhero, but what have we gotten from FNSM?

Issues #1-4 were part of a massive twelve part crossover, which contained a story PAD admitted saying he originally wrote SEPERATE from that crossover.

Issue #5 was more like something that could've been written for Tangled Web or Paul Jenkis' Peter Parker: Spider-Man.

Issues #6-7 was an attempt to clean up the continuity mess made by Millar about Jonah thinking his son was Spider-Man and was more of an atypical Spider-Man story, but was once again saddled with events from JMS run like the "Other" and "Road to Civil War."

Issues #8-10 involved a heavy sci-fi concepts like time travel and multi-dimensions and evil duplicates from another universe that are traditional out of step for a comic like Spider-Man

And now, starting with #11, we have a focus of Peter Parker's role as a teacher and coping with everyone knowing he's Spider-Man.

One can applaud that PAD is addressing two issues that are long overdue to being addressed: one is actually working with the idea of Peter Parker as a high school teacher, something with JMS introduced but sadly never fully explored, and actually bringing in supporting characters for that high school environment. The second is of course cleaning up the whole Mysterio mess created by Kevin Smith when he killed the original Mysterio only to give us a new one, even though Mysterio already had a replacement. However, the story is saddled with the current "Spider-Man Unmasked" phase courtesy of Joe Q, an event which PAD has admitted forced him to make changes or throw out stories he had planned for the title.

And the dirty little secret about this latest issue is that this story with Peter Parker taking time as a high school teacher and Mysterio(s) invading the school could've easily been told without the world knowing Peter was Spider-Man, and was probably a story PAD had planned prior to the unmasking. Change it so that the principal repremands Peter for not taking his responsibilities as a teacher seriously, throw in the dodgeball match with Peter and Flash with Peter secretly winning without anyone knowing about his spider-sense and agility, the Klum Mysterio invading the school, the return of Quentin Beck--what need is there for everyone knowing Peter is Spider-Man?

I think this is an example why popular comic book characters should only have two books at the most, because if there is three or more, one of those comic is going to suffer and get subjected to the whims of the other two, no matter how talented the writer is. But it seems like Marvel never learns this.

 

[Shadowknight]

I think this is an example why popular comic book characters should only have two books at the most, because if there is three or more, one of those comic is going to suffer and get subjected to the whims of the other two, no matter how talented the writer is. But it seems like Marvel never learns this.

They've been running the X-books into the ground worse than Spider-man for decades. The chance of them learning to stop milking their cash-cows to the point of utter drek is something that is utterly lost on almost every single EIC since Jim Shooter retired (at least; it may have even started under his tenure, but I'm not quite sure. DEFINETLY after Spectacual Spider-man and X-Factor was put out - that led the way for never-ending mini-series and additional titles).