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I remember having a previous discuss in a thread which was unrelated to the actual topic of the tread but it was about where sequels and prequels go, basically it was looking at where we could go moving forward from x-men 3 to an x-men 4... However that discuss was pre-watching X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Since then i have thought more on the subject...
So here is my thoughts on where X-Men Origins: Wolverine has given invisable threads for the future and to give a better understanding to some of the plot holes the movie gave.
as with most stories, lets begin with The End or Endings... the small nodes to suggest where the sequel will move on to. So we have 2 seen endings we wont go into ones speculated but the first ending is Wolverine in Japan. and the barmaid being Yuriko the future Lady Deathstrike.
Now alot of people are thinking the following, How can wolverine meet pre-lady deathstrike before x-men 2 without having any memory of her. Well my thoughts on this is simply that how often in life do your actions lead you on a path, where you dont necessarly see who is effected by them. What i mean is does anyone remember the barmaid/barman on a night out drinking, even if you were drinking a soft drink? Usually in life you meet that person once and you most likely will forget about them, as they will most likely forget about you... How many barmaids will remember you when they serve hundres of people a day. But think of this, what if you were in a bar, a fight occures and you stop that fight, causing damage to the bar, or the destruction of it, however you are still fighting those people and end up chasing them.. If that was wolverine, would he remember who the barmaid was? or would his train of thought be on the attackers? See wolverine would simply forget the barmaid to track down the attackers... But the barmaid isnt going to forget wolverine because he and those attackers destroyed her bar. So what we learn from this is that one persons actions can effect someone they may not realise. and as we know LADY DEATHSTRIKE was being controlled by William Stryker, Wolverine possible doesnt realise who she is or was. And the only time Yuriko regains her memories is when she dies. So there there we go.
Second Ending... Deadpool retreiving his head - Now the way i see it, Marvel wanted Ryan Reynolds, it was just a matter of time and place, or character, time and place. Because of his comical stylings he is perfect for Deadpool and thus a movie soly on him is sure on the horizen. Alot of people were not happy with his powers, because he was simply given a tone of different powers that made him unbelievable as a character. Now im told that in the comics he does have teleportation, now im not truely hundred percent on the character. But one thing we learned by X-Men 3, It suggested that the Cure wasnt perminate so couldnt the reverse be applied, I will pick this up later about adding powers because i think there is another thread there for a future movie. I've only read a few x-men comics with deadpool in them. Ive seen him decapitated and him picking up his head and re-attaching itself. So its all possible. Alot of people didnt like him being weapon xi because it totally ruined his look. Personally i think it was a creative way to scare his body. As you know Deadpool in the comics had cancer, they tried to cure him caused his body to be scared but he had wolverines healing factor which made him still end up the same. So the whole cancer issue is too complex to put into a wolverine movie, because to drive the story through, it just simply wouldnt fit and so making deadpool the ultimate weapon which goes horribly wrong scaring his body making him the way he is sounds reasonable... Now for his powers, as stated before teleporation is apparently one of his powers in the comic, because his body was underneath rubble, it is suggestable that his new adimantium katana blades were ripped out his body and because there were not part of his dna they simply stay removed. His lazer sight, if i remember cyclops dna from the comics the sun powered his brain and the energy was harnest in his nerve system through to his eyes. Decapitating his head in my opinion would sever nerves even if he had wolverines healing factor i figure like wolverine losing his memory, deadpool would simply lose the ability to shoot lazers out of his eyes.
Right with the endings coverd lets move onto POWERS...
I want to state two simple facts about x-men origins: wovlerine that everyone will agree too.
1. stryker was collecting mutant dna so he could combind powers into one mutant. which in the movie was deadpool
2. christian clark was rumoured to play dr.robert windser, and in my oppinion we actually saw him for a brief blury second when wolverine died and stryker said something to one of the doctors that looks strikingly like christian clark with a buzz cut black hair...
Why are these two points important? Look back to how x-men 3 ending with The Cure! We know that fox are interest in retaining the younger x-men that appeared in the x-men trilogy... The reason for this is because they see them as the potential future of x-men and by doing prequel movies it allows the actors/actresses Anna Paquin, Shawn Ashmore, Aaron Stansford, Daniel Cudmore, Ben Foster and Ellen Page. all these actors will be in the next age bracket, meaning they will be around the same age the actors that played the title characters say Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm...etc in the first movie... Now from Magneto's power return sniff that was at the end of x-men 3, it pondered weather powers could be returned... now we look back at the previous two points i mentioned and then we look at rogue... now alot of people wernt happy with how Rogue was portrayed as just a kid with the power to obsorb mutant powers but figure this, because of x-men origins wolverine, we now have an explination to powers being restored. by time they look towards the future of the x-men movie franchise, Rogue would be in her mid twenties, based on anna paquin as she portrated a 18 year old in x-men 1. so for fans its a Invisable thread to link sinister restoring rogues powers to the future x-men stories.
Moving on... how did cyclops have ruby red glasses? i think there is at least two invisable threads there with questions you need to ask with that question, How did Xavier know how to communicate with a young cyclops, and how did stryker know of cyclops power whilse he was living a low profile life in a normal school. My theory on it is simply this, has Xavier and Stryker meet prior to x-men origins wolverine? - because Stryker had his son in ice. by the age he looked he could be no more than 5 to 6 in age. So i figure that age wise, xavier origin with the later be x-men started way before the ending of x-men origins wolverine. would make sense because of the year he met jean grey. But this can simply be resolved by X-Men First Class.
Next Thread, Creed to Creed... im talking from Liev to Tyler, how should they explain it... alot of people want to gloss over the fact but i think there is a good story telling plot to explain Creeds transformation between the two movies... and i think this should be a factor in the Magneto Prequel, as we know of in X1 he is an associate of Magneto, in origins he retained his memory of wolverine after wolverine got shot... personally if we look at Creeds evolution in the story, we could simply create Magnetos story with some good story plots, I mean the one thing that i couldnt work out in x-men 1 was who created magnetos mutant dna machine... magneto wasnt a scientist, creed? no mystique? she was smart even technology was good on but this was a level of phsyics and science and chemesty at its best. Toad well no i dont think so. Personally if were looking at Magnetos inspiration to evolve humans... i would say The High Evolutionary made that machine that magneto used. And once more with the high evolutionary you have the whole wondagor story, wanda and peitro characters, soo what has this all go to do with creed, well remember creed is a killer. and someone who can be employed to do so, from this we can figure that Creed could of been sent to the high evolutionary that captured him. Creed became an experiment in the high evolutionaries plans to evolve mutants to there potential, thus transfering creed into a more feral secondary mutation with limited mental compasity. Magneto could of rescued him, and gave him a new perpose. So i think creed to creed has a story to be told, and is best utilised in the Magneto origin story. or First Class.
Anyone else see the invisable threads that could fix everything together, i mean there are alot of plot holes but could it just be there so we can have more sequels to explain them.
So here is my thoughts on where X-Men Origins: Wolverine has given invisable threads for the future and to give a better understanding to some of the plot holes the movie gave.
as with most stories, lets begin with The End or Endings... the small nodes to suggest where the sequel will move on to. So we have 2 seen endings we wont go into ones speculated but the first ending is Wolverine in Japan. and the barmaid being Yuriko the future Lady Deathstrike.
Now alot of people are thinking the following, How can wolverine meet pre-lady deathstrike before x-men 2 without having any memory of her. Well my thoughts on this is simply that how often in life do your actions lead you on a path, where you dont necessarly see who is effected by them. What i mean is does anyone remember the barmaid/barman on a night out drinking, even if you were drinking a soft drink? Usually in life you meet that person once and you most likely will forget about them, as they will most likely forget about you... How many barmaids will remember you when they serve hundres of people a day. But think of this, what if you were in a bar, a fight occures and you stop that fight, causing damage to the bar, or the destruction of it, however you are still fighting those people and end up chasing them.. If that was wolverine, would he remember who the barmaid was? or would his train of thought be on the attackers? See wolverine would simply forget the barmaid to track down the attackers... But the barmaid isnt going to forget wolverine because he and those attackers destroyed her bar. So what we learn from this is that one persons actions can effect someone they may not realise. and as we know LADY DEATHSTRIKE was being controlled by William Stryker, Wolverine possible doesnt realise who she is or was. And the only time Yuriko regains her memories is when she dies. So there there we go.
Second Ending... Deadpool retreiving his head - Now the way i see it, Marvel wanted Ryan Reynolds, it was just a matter of time and place, or character, time and place. Because of his comical stylings he is perfect for Deadpool and thus a movie soly on him is sure on the horizen. Alot of people were not happy with his powers, because he was simply given a tone of different powers that made him unbelievable as a character. Now im told that in the comics he does have teleportation, now im not truely hundred percent on the character. But one thing we learned by X-Men 3, It suggested that the Cure wasnt perminate so couldnt the reverse be applied, I will pick this up later about adding powers because i think there is another thread there for a future movie. I've only read a few x-men comics with deadpool in them. Ive seen him decapitated and him picking up his head and re-attaching itself. So its all possible. Alot of people didnt like him being weapon xi because it totally ruined his look. Personally i think it was a creative way to scare his body. As you know Deadpool in the comics had cancer, they tried to cure him caused his body to be scared but he had wolverines healing factor which made him still end up the same. So the whole cancer issue is too complex to put into a wolverine movie, because to drive the story through, it just simply wouldnt fit and so making deadpool the ultimate weapon which goes horribly wrong scaring his body making him the way he is sounds reasonable... Now for his powers, as stated before teleporation is apparently one of his powers in the comic, because his body was underneath rubble, it is suggestable that his new adimantium katana blades were ripped out his body and because there were not part of his dna they simply stay removed. His lazer sight, if i remember cyclops dna from the comics the sun powered his brain and the energy was harnest in his nerve system through to his eyes. Decapitating his head in my opinion would sever nerves even if he had wolverines healing factor i figure like wolverine losing his memory, deadpool would simply lose the ability to shoot lazers out of his eyes.
Right with the endings coverd lets move onto POWERS...
I want to state two simple facts about x-men origins: wovlerine that everyone will agree too.
1. stryker was collecting mutant dna so he could combind powers into one mutant. which in the movie was deadpool
2. christian clark was rumoured to play dr.robert windser, and in my oppinion we actually saw him for a brief blury second when wolverine died and stryker said something to one of the doctors that looks strikingly like christian clark with a buzz cut black hair...
Why are these two points important? Look back to how x-men 3 ending with The Cure! We know that fox are interest in retaining the younger x-men that appeared in the x-men trilogy... The reason for this is because they see them as the potential future of x-men and by doing prequel movies it allows the actors/actresses Anna Paquin, Shawn Ashmore, Aaron Stansford, Daniel Cudmore, Ben Foster and Ellen Page. all these actors will be in the next age bracket, meaning they will be around the same age the actors that played the title characters say Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm...etc in the first movie... Now from Magneto's power return sniff that was at the end of x-men 3, it pondered weather powers could be returned... now we look back at the previous two points i mentioned and then we look at rogue... now alot of people wernt happy with how Rogue was portrayed as just a kid with the power to obsorb mutant powers but figure this, because of x-men origins wolverine, we now have an explination to powers being restored. by time they look towards the future of the x-men movie franchise, Rogue would be in her mid twenties, based on anna paquin as she portrated a 18 year old in x-men 1. so for fans its a Invisable thread to link sinister restoring rogues powers to the future x-men stories.
Moving on... how did cyclops have ruby red glasses? i think there is at least two invisable threads there with questions you need to ask with that question, How did Xavier know how to communicate with a young cyclops, and how did stryker know of cyclops power whilse he was living a low profile life in a normal school. My theory on it is simply this, has Xavier and Stryker meet prior to x-men origins wolverine? - because Stryker had his son in ice. by the age he looked he could be no more than 5 to 6 in age. So i figure that age wise, xavier origin with the later be x-men started way before the ending of x-men origins wolverine. would make sense because of the year he met jean grey. But this can simply be resolved by X-Men First Class.
Next Thread, Creed to Creed... im talking from Liev to Tyler, how should they explain it... alot of people want to gloss over the fact but i think there is a good story telling plot to explain Creeds transformation between the two movies... and i think this should be a factor in the Magneto Prequel, as we know of in X1 he is an associate of Magneto, in origins he retained his memory of wolverine after wolverine got shot... personally if we look at Creeds evolution in the story, we could simply create Magnetos story with some good story plots, I mean the one thing that i couldnt work out in x-men 1 was who created magnetos mutant dna machine... magneto wasnt a scientist, creed? no mystique? she was smart even technology was good on but this was a level of phsyics and science and chemesty at its best. Toad well no i dont think so. Personally if were looking at Magnetos inspiration to evolve humans... i would say The High Evolutionary made that machine that magneto used. And once more with the high evolutionary you have the whole wondagor story, wanda and peitro characters, soo what has this all go to do with creed, well remember creed is a killer. and someone who can be employed to do so, from this we can figure that Creed could of been sent to the high evolutionary that captured him. Creed became an experiment in the high evolutionaries plans to evolve mutants to there potential, thus transfering creed into a more feral secondary mutation with limited mental compasity. Magneto could of rescued him, and gave him a new perpose. So i think creed to creed has a story to be told, and is best utilised in the Magneto origin story. or First Class.
Anyone else see the invisable threads that could fix everything together, i mean there are alot of plot holes but could it just be there so we can have more sequels to explain them.
