For once... a dumb liberal!!

[Spider-Bite]

True, but my comment on generalizing for this.......

....... and not so much on gay marrige.

I'm not sure what your saying.

 

[Addendum]

Liberals and conservatives are just petulant children that never got enough cookies.

I have no respect for either ideology

 

[MaskedManJRK]

Personally, I find all sides of politics to be f**king idiots; espicially the loud, minorities who are extremely on one side of the spectrum. Those people, who just scream and complain and offer nothing but slamming the other side, are a testament to the stupidity that is mankind.

Also, as you may have noticed through my post and others: No matter how hard you try, when you start talking about politics, you come off as an ass-hole. I can't help it, so I just stopped caring if I do or not.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Liberals and conservatives are just petulant children that never got enough cookies.

I have no respect for either ideology

I'd like you to point out one of the following and tell me what's not to respect about the idealogy. What's so childish about it?

1.favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2.(often initial capital letter

) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3.of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4.favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5.favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6.of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7.free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8.open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
9.characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
10.given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
11.not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
12.of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
13.of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman. –noun 14.a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion.
15.(often initial capital letter

) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain.

source... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal

—Synonyms 1. progressive. 7. broad-minded, unprejudiced. 9. beneficent, charitable, openhanded, munificent, unstinting, lavish. See generous. 10. See ample.
—Antonyms 1. reactionary. 8. intolerant. 9, 10. *****rdly.

Notice how it describes the opposite of liberal.

accurate

 

[SuperDude]

4.favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5.favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

8.open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
11.not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.

See also: skewed sense of right and wrong, changing laws and rules to fit one's own desires.

And what I meant by them wanting the same things is that both want the economy to do well, the people to be safe and happy, etc.

And what you need to realize is that the liberal view point is not always correct. People shouting "Liberals are always right! Conservatives are all evil!" and whatnot are simply ignorant and childish and contributing to the division within the nation.

 

[Spider-Bite]

See also: skewed sense of right and wrong, changing laws and rules to fit one's own desires

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Anybody can write "see also" and invent part of an idealogy that isn't really part of it. It's called lying. Your see also statement is by no means part of the idealogy.

And what I meant by them wanting the same things is that both want the economy to do well, the people to be safe and happy, etc.

But republicans are against helping the poor. They expect them to perform our nation's jobs nobody wants to do and then starve on top of it.

And what you need to realize is that the liberal view point is not always correct. People shouting "Liberals are always right! Conservatives are all evil!" and whatnot are simply ignorant and childish and contributing to the division within the nation.

I didn't say the viewpoint of every liberal was always correct. I challenged statements made about the idealogy. There is nothing wrong with it at all. It's perfect. The liberal ideaology is always correct. That doesn't mean people who call themselves liberals don't get lost along the way.

 

[souloffire]

I'd like you to point out one of the following and tell me what's not to respect about the idealogy. What's so childish about it?

1.favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2.(often initial capital letter

) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3.of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4.favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5.favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6.of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7.free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8.open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
9.characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
10.given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
11.not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
12.of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
13.of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman. –noun 14.a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion.
15.(often initial capital letter

) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain.

source... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal

—Synonyms 1. progressive. 7. broad-minded, unprejudiced. 9. beneficent, charitable, openhanded, munificent, unstinting, lavish. See generous. 10. See ample.
—Antonyms 1. reactionary. 8. intolerant. 9, 10. *****rdly.

Notice how it describes the opposite of liberal.

accurate

You see dictionary definitions are nice but it's people's actions that count not what's printed on a page. One has to look no further than religion as an example of this.

 

[SuperDude]

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Anybody can write "see also" and invent part of an idealogy that isn't really part of it. It's called lying. Your see also statement is by no means part of the idealogy.

The few points I selected, when combined, make for an ideology where morals and laws change with situations and where anything can be rationalized into acceptability.

But republicans are against helping the poor. They expect them to perform our nation's jobs nobody wants to do and then starve on top of it.

I didn't say the viewpoint of every liberal was always correct. I challenged statements made about the idealogy. There is nothing wrong with it at all. It's perfect. The liberal ideaology is always correct. That doesn't mean people who call themselves liberals don't get lost along the way.

Wow...I don't really know how to respond to that. So, what you are suggesting is: if everyone would always pick the most liberal option in ever situation, we would live in a utopian society?

 

[Addendum]

The only ideology that is correct is the one that admits that it just makes it up as they go along.

At least they're being honest in regard to their bull****

 

[Spider-Bite]

Wow...I don't really know how to respond to that. So, what you are suggesting is: if everyone would always pick the most liberal option in ever situation, we would live in a utopian society?

Yes. Exactly yes! Imagine if every country's leader took on a liberal foreing policy attitude. There would be no more wars. We'd have world peace and the resources we spend on the military and on killing each other could go to much better use.

Imagine if everybody went liberal on civil rights. There would be an end to oppression, slavery, and tyranny all over the world.

Imagine if everybody went liberal on the economy. There would be no more poverty or despair.

Imagine if everybody went liberal on social reform and how we raise the world's children. There would be no more criminals.

Imagine if everybody went liberal on the issue of prejudice or nonacceptance. Nobody would be an outcast anymore.

so yes.

 

[Addendum]

I would never want to live in a world where everyone agreed with everyone else on everything.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I would never want to live in a world where everyone agreed with everyone else on everything.

that's because this is the world you always knew. It's what your used to, which is another reason society can't be transformed over night. It would be a culture overload on the brain.

 

[Addendum]

It's also because I don't have delusions about humanity

 

[Spider-Bite]

It's also because I don't have delusions about humanity

that's your reason why you would prefer not to live in a world where people oppose war and accept people for their differences? Because you don't have delusions about humanity? double

 

[Addendum]

I don't think humanity is worth it. Nor do I think we'll ever get along with each other. There will always be conflict, there will always be dissent.

 

[Victor Creed]

I don't think humanity is worth it. Nor do I think we'll ever get along with each other. There will always be conflict, there will always be dissent.

It is human nature. It is why everyone is not born exactly the same. If you want a Utopia, lock yourself in a closet for the rest of your life. Even then you will find something to fault even if it is yourself. Without conflict there are no heroes and no villains to defeat. Without conflict there is no good and evil, no purpose to life.

If peace was truly wanted all the world needs is another Nazi party and leave it go unchecked, it'll be a Utopia all right......but it won't include most of the world's population.

 

[Spider-Bite]

It is human nature. It is why everyone is not born exactly the same. If you want a Utopia, lock yourself in a closet for the rest of your life. Even then you will find something to fault even if it is yourself. Without conflict there are no heroes and no villains to defeat. Without conflict there is no good and evil, no purpose to life.

If peace was truly wanted all the world needs is another Nazi party and leave it go unchecked, it'll be a Utopia all right......but it won't include most of the world's population.

wrong. history sets examples. if we did that then everybody would say "see war is the answer" then we'd end up surving long enough to go interstellar and we would draw upon our example from history to justify getting ourselves in some war with aliens and we'd up right back at square one.

not to mention if it's not utopian for everyone than it's not utopian.

A utopia might not ever exist. In fact i think most likely were gonna go extinct in the next century, but I still put the odds of a utopia at about 35% to 40%. it's my own little guestimate. All it will take for a utopia is for the human race to pull their head out of their ass, a strong majority goes liberal, and some intelligent people work to better mankind instead of themselves. You know like Stephen Hawking should get out of physics and go into socieology or something. I think the government should do something as well so that people with extremely high IQ's get a free ride through college, like everything is paid for, even living expenses, with a little extra cash on the side just for going to college so long as it's in a field where they can better mankind.

 

[kainedamo]

that's because this is the world you always knew. It's what your used to, which is another reason society can't be transformed over night. It would be a culture overload on the brain.

I don't want to live in a world where everyone agrees.

Too much liberalism can be a bad thing. I believe in liberalism within reason. Like, I believe adults can do what they want in the bedroom. But I don't believe adults can do what they want with kids in the bedroom. I believe people can do pretty much whatever they want to their own bodies, but at the same time I think there should be legal restrictions and people that sell high end drugs should be locked up. Possibly my most conservitive view, which I'm told is quite fascistic but I don't care - there should be more restrictions on plastic surgery. Plastic surgery cannot solve what is fundamentally problems with insecurity (not ALL plastic surgery is about insecurity, some people have better reasons than that I know). So if a 25 year old wants to get liposuction - no! Get some damn exercise. You got a big nose? Deal with it. Learn to love yourself.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I don't want to live in a world where everyone agrees.

Too much liberalism can be a bad thing. I believe in liberalism within reason. Like, I believe adults can do what they want in the bedroom. But I don't believe adults can do what they want with kids in the bedroom. I believe people can do pretty much whatever they want to their own bodies, but at the same time I think there should be legal restrictions and people that sell high end drugs should be locked up. Possibly my most conservitive view, which I'm told is quite fascistic but I don't care - there should be more restrictions on plastic surgery. Plastic surgery cannot solve what is fundamentally problems with insecurity (not ALL plastic surgery is about insecurity, some people have better reasons than that I know). So if a 25 year old wants to get liposuction - no! Get some damn exercise. You got a big nose? Deal with it. Learn to love yourself.

Liberals tend to believe in the victim of society argument. They believe that what happens when your a child makes up 85% of who you will grow up into becoming. Liberals were the ones screaming protect the children back in the old days when they were abused, while conservatives thought it was too imortant not to break up the family. They thought it was a family thing that the government shouldn't get involved.

A liberal Howard Dean started the governmental social program called success by six. After two years of being into effect the amount of small children being molested in Vermont was cut down by 50%, and it became much easier to catch child molestors.

You can't ever have a utopia unless children are given the right environment to grow up in. If they are being abused they will grow up to be emotionally unstable abusers themselves.

 

[Spider-Bite]

kainedamo who is that in your avatar?

 

[pyromaniac]

I don't think humanity is worth it. Nor do I think we'll ever get along with each other. There will always be conflict, there will always be dissent.

But there are degrees of it. There could be less conflict, while conflict would still exist, but one where actual threat of human life could be minimised if not lost altogether!

I'd paint Spider-Bite to be an idealist.

What's wrong with that?

It's better than to be complacent and apathic. Lord knows I've been at times, but that's usually respective of my part than of anything else.

It's strange to think that one would prefer to live in a world where disagreements have the potential to destroy a life, though I get what you're saying, but it's still a blanket statement to make.

I think the better statement should be that 'I would live in a world where we communicate with openness, with honesty, and with ideological exchange of ideas, debates, and opinions in a heathly, constructive and affirmative way.'

 

[Addendum]

I'm looking forward to when Spider-Bite finally grows up and leaves mommy and daddy's house, and watch his idealism crashes and burns in the real world.

He hasn't encountered it yet.

 

[souloffire]

Yes. Exactly yes! Imagine if every country's leader took on a liberal foreing policy attitude. There would be no more wars. We'd have world peace and the resources we spend on the military and on killing each other could go to much better use.

After WWI most countries had a liberal foreign policy, and you know what that led to? WWII.

Imagine if everybody went liberal on the issue of prejudice or nonacceptance. Nobody would be an outcast anymore.

so yes.

Actually liberals are quite prejudice. I never met one that wasn't.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I'm looking forward to when Spider-Bite finally grows up and leaves mommy and daddy's house, and watch his idealism crashes and burns in the real world.

He hasn't encountered it yet.

you confuse being delusional with not having given up hope. There is a difference. If everybody gave up and threw in the towel then you would be correct, but so long as there are people with hope a utopian world is possible.

All it takes are ideas to fix problems. If somebody says that problem can't ever be solved then they should give a reason the plan wouldn't work, so that the plan can be adjusted or modified to work.

All you say is "can't, can't, can't." It's not an issue of can or can not. It's will or wont.

The dreams of idealists in the past were also dismissed and not taken seriously only for those dreams to come true.

Who'd have thought a hundred years ago that gays would be getting married? Or that whites and blacks would be getting married? Or that people like Michael Jordan would be worshipped by white people? Or that people would walk on the moon. A woman would be the front runner for president. If you'd made these pedictions a hunded years ago many people would say the same ridiculous comments about you, that you just said about me.

You think I"ve never seen what the world is "really" like? your dead wrong. You do not know my life, and I'm willing to bet I"ve seen things a lot worse than you have. A lot worse. I know the world sucks. It's a horrible place. This is the best country to live in right now, and even this country still sucks. But it doesn't always have to be this way.

 

[Spider-Bite]

After WWI most countries had a liberal foreign policy, and you know what that led to? WWII.

Actually liberals are quite prejudice. I never met one that wasn't.

Being liberal isn't enough. You need intelligent liberals. And world peace can't happen over night. And perhaps world leaders weren't liberal in how they treated their people? Perhaps that's why people were willing to invade. And Hitler killing jews isn't very liberal at all.

LIberals should always hope for a future without prejudice and support efforts to make that happen. Just about the issue where I'm not really far left is abortion, because I believe it shouldn't be allowed once it becomes a fetus, but even that position comes from what I consider to be liberal reasons.

I will even admit there is a small facist inside of me. It's towards religion. I know it's wrong, and I wont defend it or justify it or act on it. But I have slight prejudical views towards extremely religous people. I know many of them, that I deeply care about, and they are good people. I dont' like feeling the way I do about religion, but I just can't help feeling that way. I hear about so much horror in the world connected to religion and it just fires up my blood.

I belive this facist feeling about faith and religion is not extreme. I think it's small and almost always buried by logic. But it's there. I know that not all extremely religous people are the same. Many of them aren't even infected with what I believe to be wrong with religion. I don't believe any stereotypes about religous people. I just have that feeling that's hard to shake.