For once... a dumb liberal!!

[Addendum]

you confuse being delusional with not having given up hope. There is a difference. If everybody gave up and threw in the towel then you would be correct, but so long as there are people with hope a utopian world is possible.

All it takes are ideas to fix problems. If somebody says that problem can't ever be solved then they should give a reason the plan wouldn't work, so that the plan can be adjusted or modified to work.

All you say is "can't, can't, can't." It's not an issue of can or can not. It's will or wont.

The dreams of idealists in the past were also dismissed and not taken seriously only for those dreams to come true.

Who'd have thought a hundred years ago that gays would be getting married? Or that whites and blacks would be getting married? Or that people like Michael Jordan would be worshipped by white people? Or that people would walk on the moon. A woman would be the front runner for president. If you'd made these pedictions a hunded years ago many people would say the same ridiculous comments about you, that you just said about me.

You think I"ve never seen what the world is "really" like? your dead wrong. You do not know my life, and I'm willing to bet I"ve seen things a lot worse than you have. A lot worse. I know the world sucks. It's a horrible place. This is the best country to live in right now, and even this country still sucks. But it doesn't always have to be this way.

So how does it feel finally getting through puberty?

 

[souloffire]

Being liberal isn't enough. You need intelligent liberals. And world peace can't happen over night. And perhaps world leaders weren't liberal in how they treated their people? Perhaps that's why people were willing to invade. And Hitler killing jews isn't very liberal at all.

LIberals should always hope for a future without prejudice and support efforts to make that happen. Just about the issue where I'm not really far left is abortion, because I believe it shouldn't be allowed once it becomes a fetus, but even that position comes from what I consider to be liberal reasons.

I will even admit there is a small facist inside of me. It's towards religion. I know it's wrong, and I wont defend it or justify it or act on it. But I have slight prejudical views towards extremely religous people. I know many of them, that I deeply care about, and they are good people. I dont' like feeling the way I do about religion, but I just can't help feeling that way. I hear about so much horror in the world connected to religion and it just fires up my blood.

I belive this facist feeling about faith and religion is not extreme. I think it's small and almost always buried by logic. But it's there. I know that not all extremely religous people are the same. Many of them aren't even infected with what I believe to be wrong with religion. I don't believe any stereotypes about religous people. I just have that feeling that's hard to shake.

The WWII part of my post wasn't about Hitler, it was referring to all the world's leaders who saw the threat Germany and did nothing to stop it. They thought they could buy peace through appeasement by letting Hitler keep a part of Czechoslovakia called Sudetenland because they thought it would give us " Peace in our Time". Sometimes a Liberal view can be a dangerous thing.

Nice to hear someone own up to their prejudice, didn't expect it.

 

[Addendum]

I just don't see a difference between Spider-Bite's mentality and the mentality of some "gung-ho type" christian.

Both think that their ideology is the best thing for everyone and wants everyone to convert to their side.

 

[Spider-Bite]

So how does it feel finally getting through puberty?

I'm 25 years old, and your not doing a very good job arguing. Your just throwing out insults without directly combatting my argument.

 

[Addendum]

I'm just posting and having fun.

Your argument is essentially the same as an evangelical who thinks people will be better off if others think and believe the same things that they do

 

[cryptic name]

What do you mean "for once?" There are plenty of dumb liberals. More specifically, there are plenty of dumb people, some of whome are liberals.

most.

 

[The Question]

most.

No. Some.

 

[cryptic name]

most.

 

[Victor Creed]

most.

It's so hard to argue with such amazing logic.

 

[cryptic name]

It's so hard to argue with such amazing logic.

it's a joke, Vic.

 

[Victor Creed]

it's a joke, Vic.

Yea it was.....and that was my post count going up, lol.

 

[cryptic name]

Yea it was.....and that was my post count going up, lol.

gotcha t:

 

[Spider-Bite]

I'm just posting and having fun.

Your argument is essentially the same as an evangelical who thinks people will be better off if others think and believe the same things that they do

My argument couldn't be more opposite. Liberal is not the same thing as conservative by any means. Wanting other people to be accepting and tolerant is not the same thing as wanting others to live exactly like you do. I dont' believe it's immoral to believe in god, or for gays to marry, or for consenting polygamist adults, or to have a one night stand. There are different ways to live so long as you respect other people's choices and don't harm others.

For example many Christains believe that a person deserves to go to hell for not being Christain. Some believe that's what will happen, and other believe you actually deserve it.

I believe it would be cruel and immoral for any being no matter how powerful, to torture somebody for an eternity based on their religous belief they had in life.

Those are opposites. Yes I want other people to be liberal, but that's no different than wanting other people not to commit crimes. Of course I want countries to stop going to war with each other, and I want poverty to end, and I want people to elect democrats. That is different than threatening people with death, fire, brimstone for not believing the right religion. Around the world many conservatives believe a person should be put to death for not believing the "correct" religion. I don't advoacte death for not being liberal, or any punishment at all. That is against my liberal methods. I believe pursasion is the way rather than cohersion.

 

[Spider-Bite]

most.

It's funny. 2 out of 3 college professors call themselves liberal. Most scientists and teachers vote liberal. While most extremely old people incapable of understanding anything remotely complicated voted for Bush.

I was a waiter once. I can tell you the brain stops working at a certain age. Old people have trouble comprehending the process of ordering their food correctly, let alone how to conduct federal affairs.

 

[cryptic name]

It's funny. 2 out of 3 college professors call themselves liberal. Most scientists and teachers vote liberal. While most extremely old people incapable of understanding anything remotely complicated voted for Bush.

I was a waiter once. I can tell you the brain stops working at a certain age. Old people have trouble comprehending the process of ordering their food correctly, let alone how to conduct federal affairs.

yeah, the political leanings of college proffesors mean little, most of them aren't that intelligent. and a good deal of them would into that "old" category of yours.
anyway, i'm not defending conservatives either, most of them are stupid as well. i don't favor one or the other, i'm above left and right.

 

[The Question]

I was a waiter once. I can tell you the brain stops working at a certain age. Old people have trouble comprehending the process of ordering their food correctly, let alone how to conduct federal affairs.

That's really not very true at all.

 

[chaseter]

"For Once a Dumb Liberal"...for reals? I thought they were all geniuses...just look at Nancy Pellosi. Liberals got that name for a reason...they are crazy.

 

[kainedamo]

It's funny. 2 out of 3 college professors call themselves liberal. Most scientists and teachers vote liberal. While most extremely old people incapable of understanding anything remotely complicated voted for Bush.

I was a waiter once. I can tell you the brain stops working at a certain age. Old people have trouble comprehending the process of ordering their food correctly, let alone how to conduct federal affairs.

Dude, you're not helping the case for liberals very well. What's with the hate on old people?

 

[Calvin]

Liberals got that name for a reason...they are crazy.

lib·er·al /ˈlɪbərəl, ˈlɪbrəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl]

1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts

Yeah, I imagine most of those things would be crazy to you.

 

[Spider-Bite]

yeah, the political leanings of college proffesors mean little, most of them aren't that intelligent. and a good deal of them would into that "old" category of yours.
anyway, i'm not defending conservatives either, most of them are stupid as well. i don't favor one or the other, i'm above left and right.

Yes but when your brain gets regular excercise from say being a college professor, you dont' end up like those people.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Dude, you're not helping the case for liberals very well. What's with the hate on old people?

People grow emotionally attached to the world they grew up in as a kid or young adult. It's diffucult for them to accept change. By the time a person gets old, a newer younger more progressive generation has already emerged. That is why older people tend to be more conservative than younger generations. You'll notice Bush won the over 60 vote by double digits, and Kerry won the under 35 vote by double digits.


The majority of people over the age of 60 maybe 70 now days would consider me an infidel or a heathen for not believing in God. They would consider my sister to be a pervert because she's a lesbian. My best friend's grandmother doesn't like the fact that he, a caucasian, is married to an asian. And she doesn't like the fact that his wife doesn't wake up an hour earlier than him to have breakfast cooked and ready. Because that's how it was when she was young, and she hates the fact that society has changed.

It's not that I hate old people, it's just that society has changed a lot since they were a kid, and that the judegement of most old people is outdated or primitive. Some day that might apply to me as well, but since I tend to think outside the box, I will probably be flexible enough to change with the times.

 

[Spider-Bite]

lib·er·al /ˈlɪbərəl, ˈlɪbrəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl]

1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts

Yeah, I imagine most of those things would be crazy to you.

thank you compare that to the definition of conservatives. If I want to live my life differently than they did, and I'm not hurting anybody they shouldn't try to preserve things the way they are by trying to stop me from living my life. I have every right to be an atheist. And my sister should have the right to get married.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conservative

1.disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.
2.cautiously moderate or purposefully low: a conservative estimate.
3.traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness: conservative suit.
4.(often initial capital letter

) of or pertaining to the Conservative party.
5.(initial capital letter

) of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Conservative Jews or Conservative Judaism.
6.having the power or tendency to conserve; preservative.
7.Mathematics. (of a vector or vector function) having curl equal to zero; irrotational; lamellar. –noun
8.a person who is conservative in principles, actions, habits, etc.
9.a supporter of conservative political policies.
10.(initial capital letter

) a member of a conservative political party, esp. the Conservative party in Great Britain.
11.a preservative.

 

[Addendum]

I'm emotionally attached to my video games, beer fridge, and the sports teams I like.

That's it.

 

[Calvin]

thank you compare that to the definition of conservatives. If I want to live my life differently than they did, and I'm not hurting anybody they shouldn't try to preserve things the way they are by trying to stop me from living my life. I have every right to be an atheist. And my sister should have the right to get married.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conservative

1.disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.
2.cautiously moderate or purposefully low: a conservative estimate.
3.traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness: conservative suit.
4.(often initial capital letter

) of or pertaining to the Conservative party.
5.(initial capital letter

) of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Conservative Jews or Conservative Judaism.
6.having the power or tendency to conserve; preservative.
7.Mathematics. (of a vector or vector function) having curl equal to zero; irrotational; lamellar. –noun
8.a person who is conservative in principles, actions, habits, etc.
9.a supporter of conservative political policies.
10.(initial capital letter

) a member of a conservative political party, esp. the Conservative party in Great Britain.
11.a preservative.

It cracks me up when people use "liberal" as a pejorative word. It either shows they have a basic lack of vocabulary skill, or that they're sort of, y'know, evil.

 

[cryptic name]

Yes but when your brain gets regular excercise from say being a college professor, you dont' end up like those people.

that's just not true.