The Dark Knight from Better Than Fudge.com

[fabman]

...and you know, BATMAN actually IS realistic... i mean, look at Bob Kane's original Batman. The Sci-Fi-Crap came in the late 50s / 60s...

 

[Nightwing 52]

yeah, but you need the laughs and some of that silliness. Key word: SOME. The Joker evolved since the 40s, along with Batman. I'm saying that there should be a merging of what made the Joker special throughout the years, and personaify that in Dark Knight.

Oh, I'm sure we'll get some laughter, and a few jokes, but they'll be twisted. They're not going to get too out of hand with it though. They're playing him down a few notches. Which is perfect, and it'll make him more even more frightening.

The Joker laughs with a mirthless laugh, and his smile is just evil from his early appearences. If anything the laugh of Joker should be the kind of laugh that Orson Welles Shadow's was. Where when you heard it you knew you were cornered with which ever direction you turned.

For instance, The Killing Joke for Joker inspiration is perfect. He told a few jokes in that. He wouldn't be The Joker if he didnt tell a few eerie and demented jokes. Not so much in his first two appearances. What humor that was there is very black.

The thing about the character was that he wasn't all that "nuts", he was a serial killer. He would single out a victim and then go about torturing that victim, rob them and then kill them...later. The thieving he could do anytime he wanted and never get caught. The fun was in the torturing, killing and the getting away with it right under the nose of the authorities. He wasn't stupid, he was smart, probably as smart as Batman. And he was unpredictable but not the predictable unpredictable he's portrayed as these days. He didn't do these big production numbers with song and dance, he kept it small and intimate, that's scarier. It could be anyone at anytime instead of everyone, all the time. That's why The Killing Joke really resonates, it was more in character of the original depiction of the Joker. He singled out one person, and did the most damage to them that he could. What he did to Barbara was just a side effect and a little spiff. Gordon was the one he was after.

 

[GreatGuardsman!]

Oh, I'm sure we'll get some laughter, and a few jokes, but they'll be twisted. They're not going to get too out of hand with it though. They're playing him down a few notches. Which is perfect, and it'll make him more even more frightening.

The Joker laughs with a mirthless laugh, and his smile is just evil from his early appearences. If anything the laugh of Joker should be the kind of laugh that Orson Welles Shadow's was. Where when you heard it you knew you were cornered with which ever direction you turned.

For instance, The Killing Joke for Joker inspiration is perfect. He told a few jokes in that. He wouldn't be The Joker if he didnt tell a few eerie and demented jokes. Not so much in his first two appearances. What humor that was there is very black.

The thing about the character was that he wasn't all that "nuts", he was a serial killer. He would single out a victim and then go about torturing that victim, rob them and then kill them...later. The thieving he could do anytime he wanted and never get caught. The fun was in the torturing, killing and the getting away with it right under the nose of the authorities. He wasn't stupid, he was smart, probably as smart as Batman. And he was unpredictable but not the predictable unpredictable he's portrayed as these days. He didn't do these big production numbers with song and dance, he kept it small and intimate, that's scarier. It could be anyone at anytime instead of everyone, all the time. That's why The Killing Joke really resonates, it was more in character of the original depiction of the Joker. He singled out one person, and did the most damage to them that he could. What he did to Barbara was just a side effect and a little spiff. Gordon was the one he was after.

You rule, Bats.

 

[ultimatefan]

I suspect the Joker´s humor will be less clownesque and more sarcastic, like a cynical philosopher, as in Killing Joke and Arkham Asylum.

 

["V"]

Killing Joke and Arkham Asylum.

That's exactly what i'm expecting and I think it will work well, just as "He stole my baloons!" worked for Batman 89.

 

[Cinemaman]

I suspect the Joker´s humor will be less clownesque and more sarcastic, like a cynical philosopher, as in Killing Joke and Arkham Asylum.

Agreed

 

[ultimatefan]

Oh, I'm sure we'll get some laughter, and a few jokes, but they'll be twisted. They're not going to get too out of hand with it though. They're playing him down a few notches. Which is perfect, and it'll make him more even more frightening.

The Joker laughs with a mirthless laugh, and his smile is just evil from his early appearences. If anything the laugh of Joker should be the kind of laugh that Orson Welles Shadow's was. Where when you heard it you knew you were cornered with which ever direction you turned.

For instance, The Killing Joke for Joker inspiration is perfect. He told a few jokes in that. He wouldn't be The Joker if he didnt tell a few eerie and demented jokes. Not so much in his first two appearances. What humor that was there is very black.

The thing about the character was that he wasn't all that "nuts", he was a serial killer. He would single out a victim and then go about torturing that victim, rob them and then kill them...later. The thieving he could do anytime he wanted and never get caught. The fun was in the torturing, killing and the getting away with it right under the nose of the authorities. He wasn't stupid, he was smart, probably as smart as Batman. And he was unpredictable but not the predictable unpredictable he's portrayed as these days. He didn't do these big production numbers with song and dance, he kept it small and intimate, that's scarier. It could be anyone at anytime instead of everyone, all the time. That's why The Killing Joke really resonates, it was more in character of the original depiction of the Joker. He singled out one person, and did the most damage to them that he could. What he did to Barbara was just a side effect and a little spiff. Gordon was the one he was after.

An analysis worthy of... well, of Batman!

 

[Nightwing 52]

I suspect the Joker´s humor will be less clownesque and more sarcastic, like a cynical philosopher, as in Killing Joke and Arkham Asylum.

Agreed.

 

[GreatGuardsman!]

Hey BTW, who wrote TKJ? I'm going to check it out now.

 

[Nightwing 52]

Hey BTW, who wrote TKJ? I'm going to check it out now.

The Killing Joke was written by Alan Moore and was drawn by Brian Bolland. The book was published in 1988.

 

[Cinemaman]

And i9t was very good comic book

 

[GreatGuardsman!]

The Killing Joke was written by Alan Moore and was drawn by Brian Bolland. The book was published in 1988.

Awesome! I'm going to go check it out. Especially since Chris said he's using some stuff of Joker from it. Thanks, Bats.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

TKJ is amazing. And it hat the best depiction of Joker I've ever seen (and one that I hope to see in TDK) But I might need the to buy the English version. the Dutch one is nice, but it isn't the ''real deal''

 

[Carmine Falcone]

EDIT: Double post

 

[spanish39]

This man will have deep motives and be highly intelligent. He will have no remorse and a fixation on the bat. He will be sarcastic, creepy and quick. Just my thoughts.

 

[spanish39]

Double post

 

[typeorocks]

ahhh i'm back to the boards....just on and off til more news hits. But I'm pumped for this Joker! I'm happy to see nolan stick to some sort of story and not make up his own story (like burton in B89)

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Nice.

 

[spanish39]

good to see you back TYPE-O, I know you will be in watching filming again if they come back to Chicago...oh yeah and hey how about your IRL driver Hornish? He beat my guys, Andretti's, but man what a race huh, did you catch it?

 

[boywonder13]

With all of that new news on BOF about old reports right after Goyer confirmed the Joker being important, I told you so....

all of this stuff you guys are learining now, you should already know...

 

[Kurosawa]

Also, if you remember in BATMAN #1 (Joker's first appearance), The Joker was a fighter that was equal to the Batman. He even defeated him in hand to hand combat- knocking him off of a bridge, with a punch and headbutt.

Also- Just a hope, Robin was pretty intregal, and good in the first story of the Joker- Maybe Nolan will see the potential for a later movie.

-R

Agree 100% on all points. Early Joker was bad-ass.

When you look at how bad and how far off the mark some comics movie franchises have been, Batman fans are damn lucky to have Nolan and Bale. I'm amazed Warners chose so wisely.

 

[StorminNorman]

I actually prefer The Man Who Laughs over The Killing Joke - however I believe that the depicition of the Joker is very similar. Both stories nailed the character dead on (as did IMO the original Joker stories) and I really want to (and believe I will) see this Joker brought on screen.

My only issue with The Killing Joke is the way Batman was written - which I found strange and out of character.

 

[ultimatefan]

I actually prefer The Man Who Laughs over The Killing Joke - however I believe that the depicition of the Joker is very similar. Both stories nailed the character dead on (as did IMO the original Joker stories) and I really want to (and believe I will) see this Joker brought on screen.

My only issue with The Killing Joke is the way Batman was written - which I found strange and out of character.

I see where you´re coming from, I thought Batman would be at least a little angrier with what Joker did to Babs and Jim.

One thing I don´t like is this pseudo-intellectual notion that Bats and Joker are equally psychotic... Fine, they´re both complicated people with serious personal issues... But let´s put you alone in a dark alley with both of them and see from which one you run like hell and behind which one´s back you hide...

 

[typeorocks]

hell yeah I was there to see him win it.... great race! The IRL will wrap up thier season here in Joliet in 2 weeks....hopefully he can pull off the championship as well!!

 

[E-Mack]

I see where you´re coming from, I thought Batman would be at least a little angrier with what Joker did to Babs and Jim.

One thing I don´t like is this pseudo-intellectual notion that Bats and Joker are equally psychotic... Fine, they´re both complicated people with serious personal issues... But let´s put you alone in a dark alley with both of them and see from which one you run like hell and behind which one´s back you hide...

Well the point of that notion is both are sides of the same coin, or a better example, opposite extremes of the same spectrum. So running from one, and hiding behind another, can still work with that analogy.