The Dark Knight Rises Catwoman and Penguin 'unlikely' for 3rd film...

[Venom 1988]

That is not completly rule them out though.
He said...

"Everyone says it's got to be the Penguin or Catwoman [in the next film]... well I completely disagree"

Its got to be, as in everyone is saying Penguin or Catwoman have to be in the next film. Hes simply saying that he disagrees that it has to be those two, that it can any villain.

 

[wrhssaxensemble]

Interesting.

I guess the problem that I see is that very few villains who haven't been used before seem up to the task of following Joker and Two-Face as top credible threats and interesting characters.

I mean, who do we have?

Black Mask
The Ventriloquist
Killer Croc
Deadshot
Clayface
Firefly
Hush
Mad Hatter
Hugo Strange...

What would you go with?

I think what it all comes down to is characterization. If even a seemingly weaker villain is used but depicted in a menacing enough way, he would be great. That said, I can't see Nolan using Clayface (although a certain depiction of Basil Karlo might possibly work), Manbat, Mionk (because of the Vampire thing), Mr. Freeze, Blockbuster, Dr. Phosporus (although I would love to see him in a film) or even Killer Croc or Bane(unless the venom thing was minimized or taken out but that is a huge part of who he is). Nolan also said seperately somewhere that Penguin is "not realistic enough" so even if he does potentially use Catwoman, he is unlikely to use Penguin. So really the options are:

1. Riddler
2. Catwoman
3. A return of Two-Face (depending on how exactly they treat him at the end of TDK... many say he won't be back but it is at least theoretically possible even if unlikely)

then you have a bunch of villains that could potentially be "realistic" enough and a threat if depicted in a good enough light:

The Wrath (re-written as another man who dresses up like Batman and goes around killing the few good cops (other than Gordon)... media begins blaming Batman... Bruce comes back and there is a big fight between the batmen.... the real Batman wins and redeems himself but most people still don't think he actually exists)
Black Mask
Scarface
Deadshot
Firefly
Hugo Strange
Mad Hatter
Doctor Death
Anarky
Lady Shiva (but might be likened too much to Elektra from the Daredevil movies)
Talia (if not exactly depicted as she is in the comics (more of a villain than just trying to help her father))
Cornelius Stirk (probably a secondary character)
Film Freak (as a serial killer obsessed with recreating movie scenes; secondary character)
Calendar Man (as a killer who only acts on certain days, probably as a secondary character)
Cluemaster (but would be pretty lame regardless of what Nolan might do to him as a secondary character)
Ratcatcher (secondary character)
Maxie Zeus (if toned down a little, as a secondary character)
Harley Quinn (unlikely though given that the Joker probably won't be back)
Maybe even Poison Ivy (if a severe re-write is done so she is mostly just a whacked out environmentalist-terrorist who use plant toxins etc.)

just because a character is weaker in the comics doesn't necessarily mean Nolan can't depict them as a major threat if he plays around with their characterization and maybe their story a little


Personally, would hate to see Hush... way overrated character

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

mad hatter, riddler or catwoman are probably the most interesting characters left. poison ivy could work somehow

 

[Two-Face]

Goyer might rule out Penguin or Catwoman for future films, we really don't know what will happen in few years. He might not want them but Chris Nolan might.

 

[terry78]

Goyer might rule out Penguin or Catwoman for future films, we really don't know what will happen in few years. He might not want them but Chris Nolan might.

I think their mindset is the same in that.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I don't understand why all of them think they're difficult to use or write about. Penguin doesn't have to be the raw-fish eating, nose-biting, sewer-living, hideously bloodcurdling long-nosed freak Burton made but just a man who has a weight problem, stork nose, waddles around a bit, and wears a tuxedo. Sometimes cackle and is a weapons-dealer who owns the Ice Lounge. And you could either have it where he smuggles drugs inside the umbrellas or really I don't know if it's "realistic" for Nolan but he could have the umbrellas be weapons themselves like the comics.

Catwoman. Start off with Selina Kyle being a cat-lover, Bruce's arm-candy, and main squeeze. Have it one night she is walking home and suddenly is attacked by a mugger at gunpoint. Instead of surrendering to him she fights him, gets the gun, and shoots him down. Instead of calling the cops, she takes the gun places it in her purse, and also takes whatever money he has in his wallet.

From thereon, she's gotten her first taste at being a criminal, stealing, and being able to defend herself. And of course she becomes a "cat burgular" and the newsies dub her Catwoman.

No timid, shy Burton Selina. This lady is just a minx; a temptress, a danger, a lionness in the form of a human.

 

[wrhssaxensemble]

I agree... they seem "realistic" enough for me if you base their characters on the comics rather than BR... but I think there is a hesitance because Nolan and Co. realize that BR basically destroyed the original film series by causing WB to bring in Shumacher

 

[Two-Face]

I think their mindset is the same in that.

Like I said, a lot things change in few years so....

 

[Batmania]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/a109540/batman-scribe-rules-out-penguin-catwoman.html

So it was Goyer who said this, not Nolan?

 

[Laderlappen]

Especially if that what has been said is true...

Spoiler

Rachel dies

Selina Kyle/Catwoman would blend perfectly into a third film as a love interest and anti-hero.

I like Penguin as a character, but I wouldn't be too upset if he didn't appear. Catwoman, for me though, is a definite must.

No that would make it harder.

Spoiler

Thats what she said.

 

[chamber-music]

Minneapolis, Minn.: From a villain perspective, who do you think would be interesting for Nolan to tackle in the movies?

Paul Levitz: I think Chris works best with villains with very human characteristics. I'm not sure they'll do Catwoman, but I think it would be wonderful to see what he could do playing with her.

Paul Levitz
President and Publisher, DC Comics
Friday, July 18, 2008; 1:00 PM

 

[Arnold Wesker]

Im hoping in 3 we will get Riddler and Hush. I know some people think its "too early for Hush". Someone pointed out he comes way after Robin blah blah. This isn't the comics tho, its Nolan Batman and we are likely to only get one more film so its now or never.

I don't want Talia, the League has been done. Too many other villains wouldn't work like Freeze or Poison Ivy, IMO they are too toony. And I don't want a Joker recast, so Riddler / Hush seems like a great option. Maybe work Hugo Strange in too if you can do it w/o hurting the other characters. You could focus heavily on the idea of Bruce's identity becoming very public and have some very serious threats. You have to top the Joker now, Bruce's best childhood friend saving his life so he can take revenge on him sounds like a good plot to me.

 

[Two-Face]

Nolan has to do Catwoman, I would be disappointed if he didn't.

 

[Texas Zombie]

I want Scarecrow back now... not as a main villain... Maybe another small cameo of him getting locked up again.

 

[returntovoid]

I want Scarecrow back now... not as a main villain... Maybe another small cameo of him getting locked up again.

I think Scarecrow should be the main villain in the third film, in BB Scarecrow didn't have much of a big role in it and [BLACKOUT]just has a cameo in TDK.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[psylockolussus]

I think everybody is choosing Catwoman and Penguin mainly because after Joker in Batman, there's Catwoman/Penguin in Batman Return.

I think they should use Riddler or Poison Ivy.

 

[Timstuff]

But then again, Riddler was with Two-face in BF, and Ivy was in BR, which came after BF which had Two-Face... Oh no, now look what you've done! The only villain they can use now is Maxie Zeus I guess.

Penguin I can live without, even though I think he can be done realistically (a stout mobster / black market importer who wears a monicle and tux). He's not a very important villain, and most of the time he's depicted as pretty corny. With Catwoman, however, I will be very disappointed if the third movie comes and goes and she is not in it. She is one of the most important characters in the Batman mythos, and I really want to see Chris Nolan do her justice the way he has to Batman's other rogues so far.

 

[the gael]

There is no need for the Penguin in the nolan universe. If Nolan use him in the future, i will be happy but if he doesn't, then i'm fine.

But I really want to see him use catwoman in the third act. Not because I absolutely want her, but because she can really well translate in the nolan universe ( A beautifull thief in a dark cat shaped costume isn't really unrealistic for me ) and because the events of the dark knight have opened the door for her character.

Catwoman can be made in a total opposite way of what has been done with michelle pfeiffer, making her still true to what she is in the comic.

If you completely dropped the campy version of the TV series, you have a very dramatic and realistic character. She's a survivor. A very girl from the poorest area of gotham who has a strong survival instinct.

unlike Bruce Wayne, she lived and poverty but decided to exit her condition at whatever could be the cost.

She's a robber with a heart of gold ( she doesn't kill and has a great sensibility ) that batman inspired ( even if she robbed, she has indeed in herself a sort of " justice code " )

At the end of the dark knight, batman has won but bruce wayne has lost everything

Spoiler

including rachel who died

and is now a fugitive ( like her ).

I would love to see Nolan use her as a wildcart ( not a villian nor a pure anti heroin ) that place bruce wayne and batman in another dilemna ( she's not evil, he loved her

Spoiler

and his really vulnerable since rachel death

but she's a thief. Should he arrest her ? Or should he abandon one of his more important code ?

She's a great challenge for bruce, forcing him to go in an even grayer area, where nothing is simply good or bad. And make him question himself about both his dual life as bruce and batman and if he will take harvey dent dangerous path.

but of course she won't work as a villian, expecially not as the main.

 

[ultimatefan]

Interesting.

I guess the problem that I see is that very few villains who haven't been used before seem up to the task of following Joker and Two-Face as top credible threats and interesting characters.

I mean, who do we have?

Black Mask
The Ventriloquist
Killer Croc
Deadshot
Clayface
Firefly
Hush
Mad Hatter
Hugo Strange...

What would you go with?

I´d vote for The Ventriloquist and Deadshot myself, maybe Hush, they´re villains you can work into the Nolan version of Batman.

 

[Matt]

Well it's hard to say really; I think in the future we'll let Nolan do his thing and I'm sure he'll take doin' another sequel into consideration. I completely disagree with John though, Penguin I can see, but Catwoman is really a priority character to Bruce Wayne and BatMan whether he likes it or not; we'll let Bale and Oldman talk some sense into Johnny boy.

Into consideration? The movie made 66 million in one day. Warners is going to throw so much money at Nolan that there will be no conceivable way he can say no.

 

[ryan dube]

I would go with Black Mask or Riddler for the main villian, I would have Two-Face in therapy in the least. I would have the Penguin set up as the resident arms dealer...

 

[Sentinel X]

Even if they don't have Catwoman in the film at LEAST have Selina Kyle. I think they'll put the charecter in the film after you know what happened in TDK...its the perfect time for Selina Kyle to step in.

And Riddler has to be the villain for the next Batman film, I just hope they don't make him a Joker clone like in Forever.

 

[terry78]

I already said Hugo Strange has to be in the third film, either as a direct or indirect antagonist, because they're going to REALLY want to find out his secret alter ego now.

 

[Apollo]

I'd like to see Catwoman and The Riddler. and i think it would be neat if The Riddler got his inspiration from the Joker.

 

[az824]

Nolan has to do Catwoman, I would be disappointed if he didn't.

i would be too, especially b/c like joker, she's a must in any batman universe