dnno1
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This is ridiculous. If I voted conservative 51% of the time, that doesn't make me a conservative by definition. A political identity is shaped by one's own core principles and values-- this is introductory-level political science. While you are right to a degree that independents often lie about being "true independents," you are wrong to assume that there are no independents whatsoever. There are voters out there who dissect the issues and actually make a choice based on policy positions and leadership traits versus that candidate's political affiliation.
I doubt that you have voted half and half all your life. You just created an unlikely scenario here. In most cases (unless somebody has a gun to your head) your vote is a reflection of your own beliefs and disposition. The only time I would expect to see somebody being 50/50 on his voting record is when it is either his second time voting or he decided to change parties (which is excusable). I don't think very many people vote the opposite way just to fool people. That would be ridiculous.
Also, there are more types of conservatism than the big bad evil conservatism you think every poster who disagrees with you embodies. There is fiscal conservatism, social conservatism, religious conservatism, libertarianism-- you are throwing the word "conservative" out there as if it is an automatic association with the Republican Party. It is not. There are conservative Democrats, most of whom are fiscal conservatives.
It is still conservatism by virtue of the fact that you still call it that.
Reading your posts over the past two pages has made me embarrassed of the liberal left.
Look, you can be embarrassed all you want. I am more interested in this country getting out of and staying out of a rut. There are plenty of intelligent folks out there who know better than you.
Sweet Jesus, you're still using this line?
The American automobile industry will die out regardless of whether or not we pour billions of dollars into their wallets, from the imaginary money reserves we seem to be dealing from these days. NO AMOUNT OF MONEY will be able to fix the CORE REASON why this industry is failing: Poor business strategies and an overall lack of innovation. It will take YEARS for American automobile manufacturers to reverse their practices and POSSIBLY (not definitely, not certainly, but POSSIBLY) rebound from the economic woes they are facing.
You still using yours I see. It is not going to happen. They will survive because enough people care, not like you.
I mean, when are we going to face reality? The American automobile industry is outdated and is likely to fail regardless of whether we bail them out or not.
This is nonsense. If that were the case, the they wouldn't have the market share that they do in North America. I wish people like you would stop throwing out baseless opinions and start looking at the facts.
For every innovative vehicle we introduce (the Chevy Volt, the Ford Fusion Hybrid, the Dodge Durango Hybrid which gets an ever-efficient 19 miles per gallon), foreign manufactures have twice the innovative vehicles planned in the coming years. The American automobile industry will never be able to fix all of its problems over night. Meanwhile, they are going to experience even more economic woes in the years ahead, and what are they going to do then? Ask for more bailouts?
I only see one model each for BMW and Mercedes (the X3 and S-Class respectively) the must be keeping it very hush hush. It shouldn't be surprising that alternative fueled vehicle is the trend now since the volatile fluctuation of fuel prices hit. I is left to be seen who will come on top. My bet is that there is enough pie for everyone if the economy improves and the government is serious about energy independence. If the price of gas stays down, though, this will be a passing fad, just like it was some 30 years ago.
That's the reality of the situation: If we give them billions of dollars today, what's to stop them from asking for more bailout packages in the months and years ahead?
"Our sales projections are low, we need more money!"
"We didn't fix our business models in time, so we need more money!"
This is just an awful fiscal policy which is bound to backfire right in the government's face. And the fact that Obama seems to support this package shows me that his naivety and inexperience is already seeping into his presidency-- and he isn't even president yet.
Wonderful.
Oh for sure they will need more than $25 (or even $34) billion, but they don't necessarily need to get the difference from the feds. Once the financial markets stabilize (hopefully after the first quarter of next year) and the banks start lending again, the government can guarantee them loans through private sources (just like what was done with Chrysler back in 1979). As far as you dissing Obama, you should know better than that. He is being advised by some pretty brilliant people and if you have live as long as he has, you would know that bailouts work. What needs to be present is a plan to create jobs, shoring up the economy, and oversight of the Big 3 while they are under the bailout plan, which is what is being worked out now.