Gillette ad causes ire for addressing toxic masculinity

[TheMalaka]

Again, this isn't life or death. It's someone calling out someone else for catcalling. You're being overly dramatic for nothing.

But after that the situation ESCALATES into something worse THAN WHAT ?

 

[jmc]

Again, this isn't life or death. It's someone calling out someone else for catcalling. You're being overly dramatic for nothing.

I really don't think you understand the underlying tension that can quickly develop between men. It can escalate very quickly, and for very little reason. Going up to some dude on the street and trying to pull him into line can go badly very quickly.

 

[Black Narcissus]

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That's my point, though. This whole "Live and Let Live", "That's none of my business" reality is why we have this problem.

Oh, I understand, just don't want to get my teeth kicked in over a random dude striking out with said Gal/person. lol

Yeah, you could add me to the list of the problem, I would admit to that. I also consider myself a pretty nice dude aside from that.

 

[Donner]

I thought the point of the ad was about men doing better. See, that's the inherent problem with the ad, it's message is confusing.

...really? The ad was calling out toxic masculinity and how guys can and should be pivotal in calling out and correcting hyper masculine behaviour...like aggression. If a guy wants to fight you for telling him off for catcalling, that is toxic masculinity. AND, you make it seem like all guys are like that.

 

[TheMalaka]

I really don't think you understand the underlying tension that can quickly develop between men. It can escalate very quickly, and for very little reason.

I would like to see that user film themselves going into a popular place & the first thing they see they step in & film the situation / have a friend film in hiding & see what happens

 

[Donner]

I really don't think you understand the underlying tension that can quickly develop between men. It can escalate very quickly, and for very little reason. Going up to some dude on the street and trying to pull him into line can go badly very quickly.

You're describing toxic masculinity. The very thing you seem to mad at the ad for for calling it out. How do you not see that?

 

[TheMalaka]

...really? The ad was calling out toxic masculinity and how guys can and should be pivotal in calling out and correcting hyper masculine behaviour...like aggression. If a guy wants to fight you for telling him off for catcalling, that is toxic masculinity. AND, you make it seem like all guys are like that.

...really? The ad was calling out toxic masculinity and how guys can and should be pivotal in calling out and correcting hyper masculine behaviour...like aggression. If a guy wants to fight you for telling him off for catcalling, that is toxic masculinity. AND, you make it seem like all guys are like that.

Go outside & put yourself in this type of situation & get it filmed for evidence

 

[jmc]

Referencing Ayn Rand's objectivist philosophy in which the only good is ones own self-interest. It essentially makes selfishness a virtue rather than a vice. And refusing to do the right thing because you may get hurt is a prime example.

Then, by all means, put yourself and your body on the line if you feel that strongly about it. But I will feel no sympathy if you get yourself into a situation that turns sour.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I would hope if it's a friend of yours catcalling that you might tell him to knock it off. That was more of the point of the ad.

I have rarely seen the catcalling in person, it has been more of trying to hit on them at the bars and I have done the whole ''she is my gf or wife', she' with me, man' line and the dude would usually say my bad and walk away. All in good terms.

 

[samsnee]

THANK YOU FOR PROVING THE POINT OF THE AD.

Jesus.

Also, Australians must be insane if you think that telling a guy off for catcalling a woman would put your personal safety at risk. You're not being asked to tackle an armed bank robber, Batman.

I mean you just have to use your best judgment. I don’t think you can 100% say it will lead to nothing violent. People can be mentally unstable and you don’t know what can set them off. I’m not saying you shouldn’t do your best to diffuse a situation but it’s not always as simple as just telling a stranger to cut it out.

 

[Donner]

Go outside & put yourself in this type of situation & get it filmed for evidence

I honestly can't believe this crap. Women put up with catcalling and street harassment all the time and men blow it off as no big deal. But when asked to call someone out for their behaviour, suddenly every guy is a psychopath waiting for a reason to beat the **** out of you.

Get it together.

 

[TheMalaka]

I honestly can't believe this crap. Women put up with catcalling and street harassment all the time and men blow it off as no big deal. But when asked to call someone out for their behaviour, suddenly every guy is a psychopath waiting for a reason to beat the **** out of you.

Get it together.

Until you can prove your theory your just a hypocrite

 

[Donner]

What theory?

 

[TheMalaka]

What theory?

That a situation won't escalate if you but into something that does not involve you. Your so sure about it but yet won't prove it which is easy to prove but here you are keyboard warrior

 

[Pink Ranger]

Weirdly enough, this kind of happened to me in NYC about 2 years ago. A woman I didn't know was walking by a construction guy who was drilling the sidewalk or something, and he catcalled her as the three of us crossed paths. I just looked him in the eye. He must have seen my gayness or something, because he immediately tripped over himself, going, "Not to you, man, not you" or something to that effect.

 

[Donner]

That a situation won't escalate if you but into something that does not involve you. Your so sure about it but yet won't prove it which is easy to prove but here you are keyboard warrior

I call people out for littering all the time and I'm still alive. Is that proof enough? I don't know what your argument is, but it sucks.

If you're so scared of other guys, just tell your friends off for catcalling. Happy?

 

[Donner]

Oh, and never negate a woman's fear when she's catcalled, *********ed to on a train, or followed home. Otherwise, that makes you an even bigger *****enozzle.

 

[TheMalaka]

I call people out for littering all the time and I'm still alive. Is that proof enough? I don't know what your argument is, but it sucks.

If you're so scared of other guys, just tell your friends off for catcalling. Happy?

LMAO WOW

Littering is not what we are talking about here ?

Keyboard Warrior

 

[Black Narcissus]

I also can't believe catcalling still a thing tho. I can't see that method working even for Brad Pitt. lol

 

[Lily Adler]

Put me in the camp that wasn't offended, but thought that commercial was a little heavy handed and preachy. The message was good. I didn't think it was an attack towards men.

 

[Donner]

LMAO WOW

Littering is not what we are talking about here ?

Keyboard Warrior

I thought we were talking about calling people out. Are you saying that if a guy is told to knock it off when it comes to catcalling, he immediately flies into a rage but when he's told not to litter, he's completely calm?

I'm just trying to get this hyper masculine aggression down to a science. I didn't realize that psychos who would beat you up for saying "knock it off" would give a pass to being shamed for littering.

 

[TheMalaka]

Oh, and never negate a woman's fear when she's catcalled, *********ed to on a train, or followed home. Otherwise, that makes you an even bigger *****enozzle.

Again easy to say youd do

I thought we were talking about calling people out. Are you saying that if a guy is told to knock it off when it comes to catcalling, he immediately flies into a rage but when he's told not to litter, he's completely calm?

I'm just trying to get this hyper masculine aggression down to a science. I didn't realize that psychos who would beat you up for saying "knock it off" would give a pass to being shamed for littering.

Your deflecting because everything you are saying anyone else wont do you are in the same boat & just wont admit it

 

[Donner]

I'm not deflecting, you just have serious reading comprehension issues.

 

[TheMalaka]

I'm not deflecting, you just have serious reading comprehension issues.

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[jmc]

You're describing toxic masculinity. The very thing you seem to mad at the ad for for calling it out. How do you not see that?

Here's the thing. The tension is always present, it's how you manage it that matters. It can't be eliminated because it's part of who we are. Every single guy subconsciously is wary of other men and in many cases wants to challenge other guys for supremacy, because from an animalistic perspective we're in competition with each other and the winner gets first choice of the spoils as it were. Yes, it's dumb monkey brain stuff that still exists, but it's how it's managed that matters. This is why activities like sport is such an important part of life for guys, because it give guys an outlet to release that tension that we have towards each other out, but done in a competitive and fun way. We can tackle the **** our of each other in a rugby match, but then afterward share a beer with each other because we've gotten it out our system. The tension between men is always present, so it has to be channeled. The reality is though there are going to be guys who fall outside those guidelines, because of bad parenting or bad environment, who grow up wanting to do what ever the hell they want to whoever they hell they want. I'm not mad at the add for showing toxic masculinity, I'm baffled how anyone in the marketing department could think showcasing the worst of men is a good strategy in terms of selling products to them.