Action-Adventure Gladiator Sequel | Paramount

[blueharvest]

 

[emielaen]

I have no problem with orginal directors making a sequel years and years later. This cast is crazy and the design looks fantastic. Denzel with the hoop earring is the greatest and Mescal will win an Oscar in the next 5 years.

 

[Arnold Rimmer]

I have no problem with orginal directors making a sequel years and years later. This cast is crazy and the design looks fantastic. Denzel with the hoop earring is the greatest and Mescal will win an Oscar in the next 5 years.

I just hope Scott knows what he's doing is all. The past 20 years he's been chasing that Best Director Oscar that was stolen from him in 2001.

 

[DarkKnight88]

You’d think at this point they would’ve awarded him an honorary Oscar. It’s about time.

 

[Breogan]

Don't care if he's hunting for awards, just hope he's got a good story and characters to tell it with.
Gladiator worked (for me) because behind all the grandiose spectacle and brutality, was about a loyal guy who sincerely wants nothing more than to just be with his family.
†ragicly the only way left for him to get what he wants, is to die doing what they want.
Also brutal.

While he can likely up the spectacle, not sure you can ever get to that character again.

 

[Breogan]

It looks like Lucius(Mescal) does wear the unique Maximus twin horse cuirass (given to him by Proximo).
He likely remembers it and the *horses from their first meeting.

*(fun fact Latin: Silver & Trigger)

I guess I never realized they add icons of his wife and son.

And then an angel

So there are three versions of it?

 

[Breogan]

Apologies if this was obvious to everyone I'm just noticing it now.
There is actually four: or rather the armored cuirass evolves as more is added to it. Somewhat reflecting the scene/situation he is in:

As first given to him by Proximo (has no horses or tree)

Then when he first meets Lucius and first faces Commodus it has added the two horses and tree (emblematic of his lost home).

*(fun fact Latin: Silver & Trigger)

Then for his second meeting with Commodus (the Tigris battle) it has added the icons of his wife and son. (where Commodus brutally taunts him specifically about them)

Then for the third and final battle with Commodus, and his own death, it now has added an angel.

And that is what Lucius inherits.

 

[DarkKnight88]

I didn’t notice that at all. Good catch.

I do hope Lucius isn’t retconned as Maximus’s illegitimate son but I assume that’s their emotional hook for this one. Especially wearing his armor.

That might be one of the things Crowe mentioned that he heard which he doesn’t agree with (Maximus being disloyal to his wife).

 

[Spider-Fan]

I am still meh to the idea of this movie. Hope it's amazing, but still meh pending trailers, reviews, etc. As for Scott chasing that Oscar, he probably is. But I am wondering even if this is amazing if he won't once again be beaten by someone like Denis, who I think is getting the flowers this year for Dune Part 2

 

[DarkKnight88]

Maybe that’s why he’s been all like, “*I* should’ve directed Blade Runner 2049” recently.

 

[Filmfreak]

Maybe that’s why he’s been all like, “*I* should’ve directed Blade Runner 2049” recently.

He's been whining about everything, even more so than Brian Cox these last few years. I just read an article where he said he wanted to do Alien 2 as well, and he had expressed his dislike over 2049 before, especially its runtime. Funny coming from a guy who wanted to do a 4 hour Napoleon movie. I'm just glad other people directed both of those films, because I adore his early work, but I don't trust him with sequels and I don't think he's nowhere near the form he once was, while both Aliens and Blade Runner 2049 are considered some of the best sci-fi ever made.

 

[Arnold Rimmer]

He's been whining about everything, even more so than Brian Cox these last few years. I just read an article where he said he wanted to do Alien 2 as well, and he had expressed his dislike over 2049 before, especially its runtime. Funny coming from a guy who wanted to do a 4 hour Napoleon movie. I'm just glad other people directed both of those films, because I adore his early work, but I don't trust him with sequels and I don't think he's nowhere near the form he once was, while both Aliens and Blade Runner 2049 are considered some of the best sci-fi ever made.

Yeah, he's just desperate to stay relevant by hogging all the Alien projects and constantly making Oscar-bait.

 

[Stringer]

Meh, Cameron has made 2 movies in the past 25 years, both of them Oscar bait in their own way, and Villeneuve is completely unable to create an original memorable character despite his visual prowess. Scott continues to make films and shows all dabbling in different genres, that while not all are his best work, are still a better and more interesting filmography than most modern filmmakers.

 

[Spider-Fan]

He's been whining about everything, even more so than Brian Cox these last few years. I just read an article where he said he wanted to do Alien 2 as well, and he had expressed his dislike over 2049 before, especially its runtime. Funny coming from a guy who wanted to do a 4 hour Napoleon movie. I'm just glad other people directed both of those films, because I adore his early work, but I don't trust him with sequels and I don't think he's nowhere near the form he once was, while both Aliens and Blade Runner 2049 are considered some of the best sci-fi ever made.

You are leaving out the part where when he said 2049 was too long that it was his fault for it being so cause he co-wrote it.

 

[Filmfreak]

You are leaving out the part where when he said 2049 was too long that it was his fault for it being so cause he co-wrote it.

Wut? I don't remember reading that. Did he write an early draft? I didn't know that either.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Wut? I don't remember reading that. Did he write an early draft? I didn't know that either.

The full quote:

[Whispers] I have to be careful what I say. I have to be careful what I say. [Blade Runner 2049] was [expletive] way too long. [Expletive] me! And most of that script's mine.

Read More: Here's What Ridley Scott Really Thinks About 'Blade Runner 2049' - SlashFilm

Right he says most of the script was his. Now looking back, this can mean he helped write it, came up with the rough story outline or whatever. But he is clearly blaming himself for it being too long

 

[Filmfreak]

The full quote:



Right he says most of the script was his. Now looking back, this can mean he helped write it, came up with the rough story outline or whatever. But he is clearly blaming himself for it being too long

Thank you for the quote, I wasn't aware of that. I don't read it as him taking the blame at all, though. I think he's doing two different things. Criticising the film for being too long and trying to get credit for the script, which I think by the way is a pretty brash claim. In this video interview (3:46 mark) he says he himself would have taken half an hour out of this film, so to me he seems to want to have his cake and eat it too. It's like saying "Whatever works in the movie it's because of my story, whatever doesn't it's because I didn't direct it".

 

[Arnold Rimmer]

I bet his *****ing was because people liked Blade Runner 2049 at least quite a bit more than his crummy Alien prequel.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Thank you for the quote, I wasn't aware of that. I don't read it as him taking the blame at all, though. I think he's doing two different things. Criticising the film for being too long and trying to get credit for the script, which I think by the way is a pretty brash claim. In this video interview (3:46 mark) he says he himself would have taken half an hour out of this film, so to me he seems to want to have his cake and eat it too. It's like saying "Whatever works in the movie it's because of my story, whatever doesn't it's because I didn't direct it".

I think you're trying to twist the quote into something it's not. Seems pretty straight forward to me. They put too much story detail into the movie, which made it too long. Which he himself is assigning blame to himself. This ain't Steven Speilberg passing all the bad ideas of KOTCS onto Lucas forcing aliens into the movie.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I bet his *****ing was because people liked Blade Runner 2049 at least quite a bit more than his crummy Alien prequel.

I see quotes like this and I see agenda.

 

[Filmfreak]

I think you're trying to twist the quote into something it's not. Seems pretty straight forward to me. They put too much story detail into the movie, which made it too long. Which he himself is assigning blame to himself. This ain't Steven Speilberg passing all the bad ideas of KOTCS onto Lucas forcing aliens into the movie.

Regardless of how I'm reading this specific quote, he literally says in the other one that if it was him making the movie, it would be much shorter and that's what I was referring to in my original comment. It doesn't matter even he meant what you say he meant, because the other quote exists. And it's him saying he would have made a better paced movie and a more successful one.

Fast forward four years after that interview and he was blaming "millennials" (he clearly meant gen Z) for The Last Duel's box office flop. He constantly whines about everything and clearly has little to no idea of what audiences really want to see.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Regardless of how I'm reading this specific quote, he literally says in the other one that if it was him making the movie, it would be much shorter and that's what I was referring to in my original comment. It doesn't matter even he meant what you say he meant, because the other quote exists. And it's him saying he would have made a better paced movie and a more successful one.

Fast forward four years after that interview and he was blaming "millennials" (he clearly meant gen Z) for The Last Duel's box office flop. He constantly whines about everything and clearly has little to no idea of what audiences really want to see.

Where does he say he would have made a more successful one. All Ia seeing is he is saying he wishes he was approached for the Alien sequels and Blade Runner he couldn't do cause of time constraints when it needed filmed. As for The Last Duel thing, eh he made a movie that he clearly was proud of and it flopped. I don't really take personal issue when people defend their movies in this way.

What I think you are failing to see here is the people who make these movies are not computers or dispassionate audience members. Ridley Scott gave YEARS of his life on The Last Duel. When you work on these movies for that long, you care about your work. You want it to succeed. So when it doesn't, you get mad. Same as you would failing any project you work on. So, it isn't a matter of him admitting his movie failed with you get audiences or whatever. And I think all too often, I see posts like this that show people forget this fact

 

[Stringer]

The Last Duel was pretty good anyway.

 

[Filmfreak]

Where does he say he would have made a more successful one. All Ia seeing is he is saying he wishes he was approached for the Alien sequels and Blade Runner he couldn't do cause of time constraints when it needed filmed. As for The Last Duel thing, eh he made a movie that he clearly was proud of and it flopped. I don't really take personal issue when people defend their movies in this way.

The interviewer's question was literally "The movie underperformed. Where do you attribute that?", to which Scott replied "Slow and too long, I would have taken out half an hour". The whole point was how to make the movie more successful in the box office.

What I think you are failing to see here is the people who make these movies are not computers or dispassionate audience members. Ridley Scott gave YEARS of his life on The Last Duel. When you work on these movies for that long, you care about your work. You want it to succeed. So when it doesn't, you get mad. Same as you would failing any project you work on. So, it isn't a matter of him admitting his movie failed with you get audiences or whatever. And I think all too often, I see posts like this that show people forget this fact

Oh I get that. He's a successful filmmaker with a long history, he thinks high of himself, he loves his work, he's old, he doesn't give a damn, he has no filter of diplomacy in what he says. I could possibly somewhat respect that last part. The problem for me is his movies or box office gross nowadays doesn't really support this stance in my opinion. He's criticising one of the best films of the last decade while he hasn't made anything truly remarkable in a very long time. He's saying he wanted to make 2049 and chose Alien, yet Covenant was a universally panned sequel which also lost the studio money, so thank God he wasn't more involved with the former. And I adore the original Blade Runner, even more so than the sequel, and surely it was much shorter, but it was really slow paced too.

Is he allowed to be grumpy? Sure, whatever. But I'm also allowed to call him out on that.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The interviewer's question was literally "The movie underperformed. Where do you attribute that?", to which Scott replied "Slow and too long, I would have taken out half an hour". The whole point was how to make the movie more successful in the box office.

Oh I get that. He's a successful filmmaker with a long history, he thinks high of himself, he loves his work, he's old, he doesn't give a damn, he has no filter of diplomacy in what he says. I could possibly somewhat respect that last part. The problem for me is his movies or box office gross nowadays doesn't really support this stance in my opinion. He's criticising one of the best films of the last decade while he hasn't made anything truly remarkable in a very long time. He's saying he wanted to make 2049 and chose Alien, yet Covenant was a universally panned sequel which also lost the studio money, so thank God he wasn't more involved with the former. And I adore the original Blade Runner, even more so than the sequel, and surely it was much shorter, but it was really slow paced too.

Is he allowed to be grumpy? Sure, whatever. But I'm also allowed to call him out on that.

I think you're overreacting as a fan of Blade Runner 2049. Saying he would have cut it down isn't really a controversial statement or anything. He's just saying he thought it needed trimmed down. He can have an opinion and voice it. Same as anybody. You don't have to agree with him. Also, it isn't like he made a press conference to say "I just want it on the record that it was long and boring." He was asked a question and he answered it. I think this is classic mountain out of a mole hill