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Golden Globe Nominations

I find it strange that Revolutionary Road is on the list when it has not been released yet:huh:

Um, the Hollywood Foreign Press sees these movies in advance. Most of those movies actually have been released already and are playing in major cities. Others will be released in the next few weeks.
 
Dead or not, Heath Ledger deserves the award because it was a great performance and The Dark Knight was a darn good movie. .

I'm hesitant to say whether he deserves the award or not. I haven't seen "Doubt" yet, and I think Philip Seymour Hoffman is Ledger's only competition for the award.
 
And I said the same thing - this was a 400 Million Dollar film that became a 600 Million Dollar film.

Though I think it is also wrong to state that Ledger's death is the only way this film transcended comic fans. This was a Superhero film of the scope and quality not yet seen. The sheer quality of the film (the Best Picture nomination to be from the Oscars is not a product of Ledger's Death) should not be ignored.

Again, I know exactly what the Insider Predictions were and there were going to be just as wrong with a live Heath than there were with a dead one. The Dark Knight had buzz before Heath's Ledger - greater buzz than Indiana Jones. Batman's movie franchise was more relevant, the film was better, the film appealed to a great demographic, the film had more memorable performances and instant Pop culture appeal (again, even without Ledger's death). Ledger's death did not contribute 300 Million Dollars in extra revenue.

Well said, Norm.
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Philip Seymour Hoffman is great, but I'll be pist if he steals Heaths Ocsar again!
 
I'm surprised that Gran Torino has no nominations? And that Milk has only one?

I'm more disappointed about Changeling getting too mediocre reviews to be a contender ......that movie was so powerful !!!:o:waa:
 
Philip Seymour Hoffman is great, but I'll be pist if he steals Heaths Ocsar again!

Heath Ledger didn't deserve the Oscar the first time he was nominated. Ennis Del Mar is one of the most overrated characters in recent film history.
 
Your opinion maybe. Its the 2nd greatest performance of the decade after DDL in TWBB imo. ALOT better than Hoffman's and I like Hoffman's performance.
 
Your opinion maybe. Its the 2nd greatest performance of the decade after DDL in TWBB imo. ALOT better than Hoffman's and I like Hoffman's performance.

I disagree. Ledger managed to make Del Mar-- supposedly the most complex, dynamic character of the film-- completely inaudible and incredibly dense. He made Del Mar a total bimbo, and stumbles through his lines as much as Del Mar stumbles through love, careers, and eventually life. Yes, his love for Jack is deep and we as audience members grow to understand this; but aside from that one element-- which is made crystal clear to us twice in the film-- there is nothing more for us to pick at. There is no depth in that performance; just mumbling and the occasional shouting. Any other actor could have done that for two hours and wind up with an Oscar nomination because of it.

Plus, Ledger essentially made Ennis Del Mar a stereotype: a macho, Western cowboy who is in love with a man but can't tell anyone because he fears for his life. There is nothing deep about his convictions, nor is there anything deeply moving about Ledger's performance. It is a GOOD performance, yes, but it was not Oscar worthy, nor is it one of the best performances of the decade.

Hoffman, on the other hand, not only did a good imitation of Truman Capote but managed to nail who the author truly was. He was an arrogant ass consumed by his work, but he had an emotional connection to his work which Hoffman reflected perfectly. Hoffman did considerably more to play the part of Truman Capote than Ledger did for Ennis Del Mar; hence why Hoffman deserved the award more than Ledger ever could have hoped for.
 
Heath Ledger didn't deserve the Oscar the first time he was nominated. Ennis Del Mar is one of the most overrated characters in recent film history.

Oh no...please don't do it...resist the urge man...look away Jman, look away! (I think we all know your thoughts on 'Brokeback Mountain'. :cwink:)
 
I cant agree with any of your points. To me its one of the most emotional performances and real performances I've ever seen. It reminded me abit of Brando in On The Waterfront. I dont think there's any point of discussing it more.
 
Hahahaha!

Comparing Heath Ledger's half-assed performance in Brokeback Mountain to Brando's excellent, dynamic performance in On the Waterfront is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. Ledger's performance was decent but it wasn't worthy of an Oscar nomination, nor is it worthy of the various accolades he has received. All Brokeback Mountain proved was that Ledger had the capacity to step outside of the trashy roles he had been in previously. It didn't prove that he was the next Marlon Brando, not by a long shot.
 
Oh no...please don't do it...resist the urge man...look away Jman, look away! (I think we all know your thoughts on 'Brokeback Mountain'. :cwink:)

Brokeback Mountain was a mediocre film. It is watchable and better than most movies out there, but there were numerous flaws to it which prevent it from being the masterpiece so many want to label it as.
 
Did you say Ennis is the second greatest performance of the decade? Look I liked Ledger in Brokeback Mountain and consider it a good (albeit, overrated) film. But the "best" performance in the decade in which we've seen Lewis play Bill the Butcher, Paul Giamatti play play Miles in Sideways, Sean Penn and Tim Robbins both in Mystic River, Russell Crowe in both Gladiator and especially A Beautiful Mind (Oscar-bait, though it may be), Javier Bardem in No Country for Old Men, Bill Murray in Lost in Translation, Viggo Mortensen in Eastern Promises (an EXTREMELY underrated performance), Casey Affleck for The Assassination of Jesse James, etc. Johnny Depp has had several great performances alone.

Even just for the year 2005, we had Hoffman, who deserved the Oscar that year, as well as David Strathaim as Edward R. Murrow in Good Night, and Good Luck, who was also more deserving.

Look, I thought Ledger as Del Mar was very good, but I feel since his tragic death, his legend has grown higher than his actual work. And is nothing to do with the character. If you want to see an amazing performance of a complex gay man, watch Ian McKellan in the little seen Gods & Monsters. I'd also add McKellan as Gandalf to that list above.

Ledger was a really good actor. He was a leading man with actual great depth and tons of potential. And that potential can be glimpsed in Ned Kelly, Monster's Ball, Brokeback Mountain and The Dark Knight. But, unfortunately, he passed away. He could have been one of the greats, but I think the only performance he had that is on par with that list above is, to many critics' reluctant bemusement, the one where he had green hair and white make-up on. He was a good actor who might have been a legend, but now like James Dean, he is going to be sadly remembered for what he might have been instead of what he was, which was extraordinary enough.
 
And here we go! Another debate on Heath Ledger/Ennis Del Mar and all things 'Brokeback Mountain'!

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Why cant you just accept my opinion? I accept yours. I have seen all of those performances you mentioned. Some of them are great, but some of them really arent that special. And Heath in BBM does remind me of Brando in OTW. Heath is very subtle in the role, like Brando. Very emotional performance like Brando. Very hard on the outside sof on the inside character like Brando. And just like Brando his performance feels extremely real. When you see Brokeback its obvious that Brando was a big inspiration to Heath.

'He didnt deserve a nomination' is one of the most absurd things I have heard, but atleast I have the decency to respect your opinion and not laugh at it.
 
Few surprises and a few snubs; business as usual I guess.

Biggest Snub: Breaking Bad didnt get any nominations.

Biggest Surprise: Probably Franco, but Im going to shout out In Bruges cause it was excellent. Came out in Februrary too and still made the awards. That doesnt happen often

(very) early predictions:

Best movie/director: Slumdog sounds like the big contender. A movie I am dying to see

Best Actor: Rourke is the powerhouse performance and I think Sean Penn is his only competition

Best Comedy/Musical: I'm hoping for In Bruges

Best Animated: Wall-E, dont think anyone else has a shot

Best Supp. Actor: Hoffman vs Ledger, I think the Tropic Thunder noms are a joke and are kept around because the globes like to spotlight comedy to differentiate themselves from the Oscars.

TV Drama Series/Actor: Im hoping Dexter and Michael C Hall, but it was more deserving its first season

TV Comedy Series/Actor: Im hoping Californication. I love Hank Moody. The show is so fun and interesting. It seems very under the radar, but the HFPA seems to like those kind of shows.

TV Supp Actor: Id say Piven will continue the streak

TV Mini series awards: I expect John Adams to be the big contender
 
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Did you say Ennis is the second greatest performance of the decade? Look I liked Ledger in Brokeback Mountain and consider it a good (albeit, overrated) film. But the "best" performance in the decade in which we've seen Lewis play Bill the Butcher, Paul Giamatti play play Miles in Sideways, Sean Penn and Tim Robbins both in Mystic River, Russell Crowe in both Gladiator and especially A Beautiful Mind (Oscar-bait, though it may be), Javier Bardem in No Country for Old Men, Bill Murray in Lost in Translation, Viggo Mortensen in Eastern Promises (an EXTREMELY underrated performance), Casey Affleck for The Assassination of Jesse James, etc. Johnny Depp has had several great performances alone.

Even just for the year 2005, we had Hoffman, who deserved the Oscar that year, as well as David Strathaim as Edward R. Murrow in Good Night, and Good Luck, who was also more deserving.

Look, I thought Ledger as Del Mar was very good, but I feel since his tragic death, his legend has grown higher than his actual work. And is nothing to do with the character. If you want to see an amazing performance of a complex gay man, watch Ian McKellan in the little seen Gods & Monsters. I'd also add McKellan as Gandalf to that list above.

Ledger was a really good actor. He was a leading man with actual great depth and tons of potential. And that potential can be glimpsed in Ned Kelly, Monster's Ball, Brokeback Mountain and The Dark Knight. But, unfortunately, he passed away. He could have been one of the greats, but I think the only performance he had that is on par with that list above is, to many critics' reluctant bemusement, the one where he had green hair and white make-up on. He was a good actor who might have been a legend, but now like James Dean, he is going to be sadly remembered for what he might have been instead of what he was, which was extraordinary enough.

Yes, I agree with all of this. There are many excellent performances from various actors who have played complex, gay men. Ian McKellen was excellent in Gods and Monsters. I'd even like to point out that Philip Seymour Hoffman played a complex, gay character in Boogie Nights who was more dynamic than Ledger's Ennis Del Mar.

Heath Ledger was a good actor. His true breakout role-- which proved he was going to be one of the "greats"-- was the Joker, and that is a performance he deserves to be nominated for. Brokeback proved that he could truly do dramatic performances... not well, but he could at least do them. He was also good in Monster's Ball (even though the movie as a whole was a major disappointment) and Candy. But he hasn't deserved an Oscar nomination until this year.
 
Why cant you just accept my opinion? I accept yours. I have seen all of those performances you mentioned. Some of them are great, but some of them really arent that special. And Heath in BBM does remind me of Brando in OTW. Heath is very subtle in the role, like Brando. Very emotional performance like Brando. Very hard on the outside sof on the inside character like Brando. And just like Brando his performance feels extremely real. When you see Brokeback its obvious that Brando was a big inspiration to Heath.

'He didnt deserve a nomination' is one of the most absurd things I have heard, but atleast I have the decency to respect your opinion and not laugh at it.

eh, that is the first time I have ever responded to you on the subject.

And I was interested in a discussion. Why do you get so upset that someone wants to discuss film on a film board? I named a few great performances and I am curious what makes Ledger stand out more than the ones I named in BBM other than he is no longer with us?

I just get a James Dean vibe where people compare him to Brando and some of the legends based on what he didn't do. But I'll agree to disagree with you, I suppose.

P.S. I am in complete agreement with you Jman.
 
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It was mostly a respond to jmanspice. And I didnt say or mean to say that Heath was as good as Brando or that he was the next Brando. Im just saying the performance in BBM reminded me alot of Brando for the reasons I mentioned and it's obvious that brando was a big inspiration for Heath.
 
Well, he obviously won't be the next Brando... being dead and all might be a factor...
 
i've seen slumdog... it was quite a damn good film although it seems for many of the scenes of the film he took some terrific scenes from good Indian commercial films and stitched those together... some of those scenes as a viewer of Indian cinema felt so unfresh and completely ripped off from those films

Nonetheless it was still an excellent film in retrospect, I like films that are less like films and more like journies and this was one of those types of films... nice movie overall and I hope it wins a lot of awards and makes good money
 
If James Franco wins for Pineapple Express, then my faith in the Golden Globes might be restored. It'll be epic.
 

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