Grant Morrison OWNS Frank Miller

[Kronocide]

I was going to say that too, that it's very Golden Age to have superheroes fight the actual enemies of a real war. Nothing new, and not something that was considered out of line at the time. (And I think WWII was a bigger deal than the current War on Terra.)

Apart from that I can't quite decide who I like the least between these two persons. Can't stand the mindless macho BS of Sin City (at least Hard Boiled had a sense of humor about it), and The Invisibles bored me to tears. It's a draw I guess.

 

[Kronocide]

I wrote a post and it said I was the last poster in the thread, but the post wasn't here.

EDIT: And now it showed up! Page 3 just didn't exist until I made this second post. Weirdness.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Okay, let's be more specific here. Maybe Bendis can write street level superhero books, but HE BLOWS at writing full blown team books.

I mean BLOWS. BADLY.

 

[The Sage]

The question will Frank's fans still support him when this is the most blatant example of him going against what made him known and essentially selling out to the hackiest of levels?

Kinda harsh, LOL. But of course they will.

 

[Xofenroht]

Well, now that Bendis is off Daredevil. I find very little room to care about what kind of writing he does, especially considering the fact that I don't read any of his work at the moment. "Daredevil" was fantastic and I think it was top graphic storytelling. Bendis told noir stories that involved a superhero.
As for what Morrison is saying, I frown at stories where the hero goes off to fight The Terrorists. I like what Marvel does by having HYDRA as the premiere terrorist organization. Surely Miller could have used an already established organization in the DC- universe.
Either way it goes, I don't really care because I don't think I read the issue Morrison is referring to. All in all, I like both of their work and will agree that they have alternate styles. If I want something mindtwisting, I'll read Morrison. If I want something hard and gritty to my tastes, I'll read Miller.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Wow, that was definitely an owning on Miller. Man, Morrison really went for the throat there.

I don't necessarily fully agree with it but I wasn't planning on buying the Batman vs. Osama thing anyway.

 

[The Question]

As for what Morrison is saying, I frown at stories where the hero goes off to fight The Terrorists. I like what Marvel does by having HYDRA as the premiere terrorist organization. Surely Miller could have used an already established organization in the DC- universe.

Especially since the leader of one of those organizations, Ra's Al Ghul, is a rival of Batman's.

 

[Darthphere]

Especially since the leader of one of those organizations, Ra's Al Ghul, is a rival of Batman's.

Was.

 

[The Question]

Holy Terror is out of continuity, I believe. Frank could have used Ra's and simply drawn parallels with real world terrorists. But he didn't. I miss Ra's.

 

[jaydawg]

The point is Frank Miller sucks. Hell I'm surprised Holy Terror isnt titled Holy Terror ****es. You think someone broke up with him once and he just decided all women are ****s?

 

[The Question]

There are a fair number of prostituted in many of his works, but I think that's more to paint a picture of a darker, hedonistic society than any hatred of women.

 

[The Leaguer]

Sometimes people write off my love for Morrison as little more than fanboyism. Now do you understand? NOW DO YOU SEE!?

There are a fair number of prostituted in many of his works, but I think that's more to paint a picture of a darker, hedonistic society than any hatred of women.

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[The Question]

Sometimes people write off my love for Morrison as little more than fanboyism. Now do you understand? NOW DO YOU SEE!?

Oh, I totally see. Morrison is equal parts Willy Wonka, Gandalf, and a pimp. The second he steps into a room, everyone orgasms instantly. I don't like every single damn thing he's ever written, but the stuff I do like is ****ing awesome.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, I totally see. Morrison is equal parts Willy Wonka, Gandalf, and a pimp. The second he steps into a room, everyone orgasms instantly. I don't liuke every single damn thing he's ever written, but the stuff I do like is ****ing awesome.

That's where you and The "I love every single damn thing Morrison's ever written" Leaguer differ.

 

[The Leaguer]

It's not my fault every single damn thing Morrison's ever written rules.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

You should petition the mods for an official name change to include your nickname, then.

 

[Kurosawa]

"And while we're on that subject...Batman vs. Al Qaeda! It might as well be Bin Laden vs. King Kong! Or how about the sinister Al Qaeda mastermind up against a hungry Hannibal Lecter! For all the good it's likely to do. Cheering on a fictional character as he beats up fictionalized terrorists seems like a decadent indulgence when real terrorists are killing real people in the real world. I'd be so much more impressed if Frank Miller gave up all this graphic novel nonsense, joined the Army and, with a howl of undying hate, rushed headlong onto the front lines with the young soldiers who are actually risking life and limb 'vs' Al Qaeda."

That's probably the only time I'd actually root for Al Qaeda.

 

[Kurosawa]

Sometimes people write off my love for Morrison as little more than fanboyism. Now do you understand? NOW DO YOU SEE!?



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[Ben Breeck]

Personally, If Green Arrow can face off against the Cali Cocaine Cartel (like he did in the Mike Grell era), Batman can face off against Osama bin Laden. Ollie started out in More Fun Comics #78 far more campy and goofy than even the Sixties Batman show, and Mr. Grell made his takedown of the group far more plausible than I would have thought possible (or at least more plausible than the way Don Pendleton had Mack Bolan take down the Mob).

After all, Adolf Hitler was a frequent target of superheroes during the Golden Age. Would Grant Morrison like to tell Joe Simon to his face that Captain America Volume 1 #1 (espeically it's front cover) was nothing more than an exercise in intelectual *********ion?

 

[The Question]

Sometimes people write off my love for Morrison as little more than fanboyism. Now do you understand? NOW DO YOU SEE!?



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Well.......

 

[Pksoze]

This part was good too:

GM: Well, I still intend to do 'Miller'-style first person narrative captions which give some insight into Batman's thought processes but it seems more 'realistic' to imagine Batman as a hardcore fightin' man who wouldn't even notice his injuries until long after the fight was over, so no more of that 'MY BACK SPLINTERS INTO A THOUSAND SHARDS OF AGONIZED BONE. HE'S GOOD. HE'S YOUNG. HE'S TOUGHER AND YOUNGER THAN ME. AND TOUGHER. DID I MENTION TOUGHER ? MUSN'T BLACK OUT...'

I consider this a deeper burn on Miller, than Morrison's points on terrorism.

Siegel & Shuster had Supes taking Stalin and Hitler in once.

Captain America fought Nazi's.

Miller's story will probably suck as he's lost it as a writer, but his work has clear precedents in comics history.

However, Morrison's casual dismissal of Miller's writing voice... oy that just hurts.

I'd love to see these guy talking smack reminiscent of the East Coast/ West Coast Rap wars (without the bullets though).

 

[Eros]

i like grant morrison maybe hes right[i do agree], but maybe thier is an some jealousy their perhaps as well. Millars all star Batman was the number one selling comic book of 2005, morrisons all star superman was not. Frank miller,Alan moore, and the 80s writers brought a grim and gritty serousnes to the comic industry, they inspired an entire generation. Frank Millers Batman is without a doubt the most popular version of the character ever! [in front of 70s batman]. Morrison perhaps should wait for the comic to come out, and then make further judgements. Im not saying morrison is all out jealous of millar, but the fact that Millar is considered an icon for the past 20 plus years, and morrioson is considered a great writer but not as iconic as Millar. Perhaps Morrison can't get over the fact that comic books are no longer in the silver age anymore, and neither are the readers.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I highly doubt Morrison is jealous of Miller. Miller's comic may have been selling better, but Morrison's been basking in about a hundred times more critical praise than Miller's gotten lately. Also, The Invisibles, Doom Patrol, and Animal Man are arguably as iconic as anything Miller's done for those respective characters. Morrison's got more than enough professional esteem, so the idea that he's jealous seems unlikely. It could be true, but I doubt it.

After all, Adolf Hitler was a frequent target of superheroes during the Golden Age. Would Grant Morrison like to tell Joe Simon to his face that Captain America Volume 1 #1 (espeically it's front cover) was nothing more than an exercise in intelectual *********ion?

Actually, he probably would. His opinion seems to be that real world topics should be addressed as metaphor in comics. I don't think the fact that there are precedents for real world topics' being presented frankly would change that opinion.

 

[Darthphere]

I hate the fact that so many writers run around saying "To me DKR is canon" its not. Brad Meltzer, DKR isnt canon, stop trying to make it so.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, they should be focusing on Miller's other, far better Batman work. Year One is Batman. That and TLH should be required reading for every Batman writer.