Hackers to Ashley Madison website: Pay up or we reveal the name of all your cheaters!

[DeadPresident]

this society were creating now is one where no-one is allowed to make an error

What? This isn't some momentary slip of the tongue or lapse in consideration? This is a service people pay for, where the express purpose is to cheat on your spouse. This isn't some "error" somebody should be forgiven for, it's premeditated, they know what they're doing.

On what planet is this equal to quoting a racist joke or saying something insensitive? Both of which are problematic enough already. People don't deserve to be dragged over the coals for a momentary lapse in judgment, but they definitely do for deliberately and consciously deciding to commit adultery.

P.S, Adultery is illegal in a fair number of states in America, where I assume the majority of people on this site reside. So your appeal to law was irrelevant in any case: http://www.theweek.co.uk/62723/adultery-laws-where-is-cheating-still-illegal

 

[Thundercrack85]

JMC what's your e-mail?

 

[DeadPresident]

If I was being deceived by someone I wouldn't want the entire world knowing about it. That matter is for me and me alone to deal with.

**** that, they forfeited their right to telling anyone else what to do when they knowingly started behaving like ***holes.

Take that up with them when the information goes public.

The adulterers paying the price for their actions is more important than the social standing or preferences of their spouses, indeed the fact that some people know their spouses would be too ashamed to tell anyone is probably half the reason they feel comfortable doing crap like this in the first place.

This boils down to one thing: People don't want to be held accountable for their behaviour.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I like to think I'm a fairly tolerant individual. I don't think two people in a relationship sending each other compromising pictures is something they should be ashamed of, or shunned for. I have no problem with consenting adults really doing anything as long as it hurts no one. In other words, I think everyone has a right to privacy.

But if adultery can't be denounced as immoral, than what the hell can be? And I don't mean an open marriage. I mean, old fashioned, unambiguous betrayal adultery, which this website celebrates.

 

[jmc]

What? This isn't some momentary slip of the tongue or lapse in consideration? This is a service people pay for, where the express purpose is to cheat on your spouse. This isn't some "error" somebody should be forgiven for, it's premeditated, they know what they're doing.

On what planet is this equal to quoting a racist joke or saying something insensitive? Both of which are problematic enough already. People don't deserve to be dragged over the coals for a momentary lapse in judgment, but they definitely do for deliberately and consciously deciding to commit adultery.

P.S, Adultery is illegal in a fair number of states in America, where I assume the majority of people on this site reside. So your appeal to law was irrelevant in any case: http://www.theweek.co.uk/62723/adultery-laws-where-is-cheating-still-illegal

People have lapses in judgement all the time, we're human, I've done stupid things on the spur of the moment only to regret it after and I'm sure you have too. Stop painting everyone with the same brush for crying out loud.

 

[jmc]

JMC what's your e-mail?

What do you want it for?

 

[Thundercrack85]

What do you want it for?

It's a joke, man.

 

[SV Fan]

How can anybody do something bad to somebody that gave us this great jingle

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[Thundercrack85]

People have lapses in judgement all the time, we're human, I've done stupid things on the spur of the moment only to regret it after and I'm sure you have too. Stop painting everyone with the same brush for crying out loud.

Spur of the moment, in terms of adultery would be a onetime spontaneous affair. This requires filling in your credit card and billing information, before even starting a correspondence with your would be mistress.

I do stuff I regret all the time. But, come on. If this isn't pre-meditated, what is?

 

[DeadPresident]

People have lapses in judgement all the time, we're human, I've done stupid things on the spur of the moment only to regret it after and I'm sure you have too. Stop painting everyone with the same brush for crying out loud.

And I agree with that completely, I honestly do. But there's a very, very clear separation between a lapse in judgment, and a concerted, deliberate, willful decision to betray someone you're married to.

Again, this isn't like dinging someone's car accidentally and fleeing the scene in panic, or retweeting an insensitive joke because you didn't think it through, or breaking a bottle in a store and leaving it there. This is people paying for a subscription to a service enabling you to betray the trust of your spouse and help others do the same. If there's anyone painting people with the same brush it's you, you're equating deliberate adultery with a small mistake.

 

[jmc]

**** that, they forfeited their right to telling anyone else what to do when they knowingly started behaving like ***holes.

Take that up with them when the information goes public.

The adulterers paying the price for their actions is more important than the social standing or preferences of their spouses, indeed the fact that some people know their spouses would be too ashamed to tell anyone is probably half the reason they feel comfortable doing crap like this in the first place.

This boils down to one thing: People don't want to be held accountable for their behaviour.

Maybe the difference between you and me is I don't give a crap about what people do in their personal lives. If something doesn't affect me personally I could give two hoots whether the woman next door is having it on with the postman while the husband if off working. This is not information I need to know nor is it information the world needs to know. At the end of the day I'm not going to condemn someone for doing something that doesn't affect me because I don't know the context of why they did it.

 

[Perfect Cell]

**** that, they forfeited their right to telling anyone else what to do when they knowingly started behaving like ***holes.

Take that up with them when the information goes public.

The adulterers paying the price for their actions is more important than the social standing or preferences of their spouses, indeed the fact that some people know their spouses would be too ashamed to tell anyone is probably half the reason they feel comfortable doing crap like this in the first place.

This boils down to one thing: People don't want to be held accountable for their behaviour.

You didn't even respond to his point. He was speaking about the victims. Ie- the people who were cheated on. Why do they deserve to have this humiliating information leaked for the entire world to see, when they have done nothing wrong? It's their partners that were the *******s who used this site, not them. Why do they deserve to suffer the shame of this being out in the public? The users of this site, yes, they got what was coming to them. But the innocent other halves are getting a huge raw deal here.

 

[DeadPresident]

Maybe the difference between you and me is I don't give a crap about what people do in their personal lives. If something doesn't affect me personally I could give two hoots whether the woman next door is having it on with the postman while the husband if off working. This is not information I need to know nor is it information the world needs to know. At the end of the day I'm not going to condemn someone for doing something that doesn't affect me because I don't know the context of why they did it.

I should just call it a day right here. You should give a crap when it comes to things like this, because the postman is probably the dude coming after your wife.

You didn't even respond to his point. He was speaking about the victims. Ie- the people who were cheated on. Why do they deserve to have this humiliating information leaked for the entire world to see, when they have done nothing wrong? It's their partners that were the *******s who used this site, not them. Why do they deserve to suffer the shame of this being out in the public? The users of this site, yes, they got what was coming to them. But the innocent other halves are getting a huge raw deal here.

Yeah, I kind of did respond to it. The anonymity and shame are part of what enables bull**** like this. See below The spouses who have been betrayed should take it up with their adulterous other halves. Most people have said they'd prefer to know. Sadly, if it's a choice between ignorantly being deceived for God knows how long or everyone else finding out along with me, I choose the latter. Anyone that would choose conscious denial has bigger problems. For some people they'll finally find out and be able to adjust accordingly, instead of being in ****ty relationships forever. The hackers did some people a favor.

**** that, they forfeited their right to telling anyone else what to do when they knowingly started behaving like ***holes.

Take that up with them when the information goes public.

The adulterers paying the price for their actions is more important than the social standing or preferences of their spouses, indeed the fact that some people know their spouses would be too ashamed to tell anyone is probably half the reason they feel comfortable doing crap like this in the first place.

This boils down to one thing: People don't want to be held accountable for their behaviour.

 

[jmc]

Spur of the moment, in terms of adultery would be a onetime spontaneous affair. This requires filling in your credit card and billing information, before even starting a correspondence with your would be mistress.

I do stuff I regret all the time. But, come on. If this isn't pre-meditated, what is?

This is under the assumption everyone is going back again and again. I've bought crap off Amazon on the spur of the moment thinking that's what I wanted it only to realise after I got it it was a waste of money. Is it not possible someone regrets having done the same with Ashely Madison? Guilt is a powerful thing and some people suffer it immensely. I don't doubt there are people who would be using this service multiple times, maybe for the thrill of it or whatever, but we've got to conclude that there would also be people who go through the entire process only to realise they made a massive mistake.

 

[Perfect Cell]

I should just call it a day right here. You should give a crap when it comes to things like this, because the postman is probably the dude coming after your wife.



Yeah, I kind of did respond to it. The anonymity and shame are part of what enables bull**** like this. See below

And that's such crap. It's victim-blaming. You're saying the people who are cheated on enable this behaviour, because they would want to keep such issues private. Of course they would, it's a terrible ordeal for them to go through. In no way should they be forced to go through this because "it helps punish the cheaters".

 

[Snow Queen]

And of course, the disgusting cesspool that is Josh Duggar is on the list.
http://gaw.kr/LUMIu5x

That might not be his only account.

 

[DeadPresident]

And that's such crap. It's victim-blaming. You're saying the people who are cheated on enable this behaviour, because they would want to keep such issues private. Of course they would, it's a terrible ordeal for them to go through. In no way should they be forced to go through this because "it helps punish the cheaters".

Oh God.

Okay, before you pull out all your other buzzwords you learned in YouTube comments. I wasn't blaming the victims, I said that the anonymity and shame that goes along with it is part of why the perpetrators feel comfortable continuing with their behaviour.

Again, your assumption is more people than not wouldn't want to go through the humiliation. What about the others who would rather find out instead of being endlessly deceived? I understand there's no 100% right answer, but if it's a choice between an uncomfortable truth or a palatable lie - the best answer is the uncomfortable truth.

"Victim blaming"...I really need to stop trying to have discussions on this site. As you were unthinking masses, as you were.

 

[Thundercrack85]

No, man. Come on. Cheating on your wife is not the same thing as buying a foosball table you never use off of Amazon.

This website is not an escort agency. You have to actually get someone to cheat with you. It ain't Amazon one-click buy. It takes real meditation.

 

[Perfect Cell]

Oh God.

Okay, before you pull out all your other buzzwords you learned in YouTube comments. I wasn't blaming the victims, I said that the anonymity and shame that goes along with it is part of why the perpetrators feel comfortable continuing with their behaviour.

Again, your assumption is more people than not wouldn't want to go through the humiliation. What about the others who would rather find out instead of being endlessly deceived? I understand there's no 100% right answer, but if it's a choice between an uncomfortable truth or a palatable lie - the best answer is the uncomfortable truth.

Oh good, dismiss the points I've made because of "buzzwords". Are you going to call me a SJW next? Good way to avoid a point. I'm the last person that would be called that. Bu victim-blaming isn't exactly a Tumblr buzzword or some ****. It's a legit thing people do. And yes, I would consider this victim-blaming. YES, the spouse being cheated on deserves to know. Absolutely they do. But this isn't the way to go about it. I've been cheated on, and finding out is one of the worst feelings imaginable. Finding out everyone else knows because it's a high profile news item would be 100x worse. There is no right answer, like you said, but I definitely wouldn't consider the hacker's actions to be them doing me a favour, if I found a spouse on that list.

Edit: Wow, you had to edit your post just to throw another dig in. You're kind of a tool, aren't you?

 

[jmc]

No, man. Come on. Cheating on your wife is not the same thing as buying a foosball table you never use off of Amazon.

This website is not an escort agency. You have to actually get someone to cheat with you. It ain't Amazon one-click buy. It takes real meditation.

I'm not going to pretend to know why people use that website because everyone has different reasons to use it. At the end of the day I don't really care because the world isn't black and white. The bigger issue is private matters are being made public by people who think they are doing the 'right thing'.

 

[jmc]

You might want to edit that last sentence a bit Slack.

 

[Perfect Cell]

You might want to edit that last sentence a bit Slack.

Nothing I said is untrue. He DID edit his post just to throw in an insult. I called him out on it. If I did so in an unkind way, so be it.

 

[DeadPresident]

Oh good, dismiss the points I've made because of "buzzwords". Are you going to call me a SJW next? Good way to avoid a point. I'm the last person that would be called that. Bu victim-blaming isn't exactly a Tumblr buzzword or some ****. It's a legit thing people do. And yes, I would consider this victim-blaming. YES, the spouse being cheated on deserves to know. Absolutely they do. But this isn't the way to go about it. I've been cheated on, and finding out is one of the worst feelings imaginable. Finding out everyone else knows because it's a high profile news item would be 100x worse. There is no right answer, like you said, but I definitely wouldn't consider the hacker's actions to be them doing me a favour, if I found a spouse on that list.

Eh, victim blaming still isn't what's at play there, I'm not saying the victims have a hand in their situation, I'm saying the perception the perpetrators have of the victims' beliefs is relevant - there's a difference. Here's the hypothetical scenario: A) Everyone finds out, humiliations included, adulterers ousted - OR B) Nobody finds out, no humiliation, adultery continues. Which do you choose?

Obviously if there's an alternative option C, for the spouses to all be notified discreetly by email that their husbands/wives are cheating on them I'd choose that option everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

There's a choice between two likely paths here, the one that results in the truth being out there and the offended parties being informed would be the one I'd choose - irrespective of the humiliation or inconvenience. There's a possibility somebody could be saved from a lifelong relationship with somebody else that's busy cheating on them. In that very specific case, I think temporary humiliation is preferable over long term deceit.

 

[DeadPresident]

Edit: Wow, you had to edit your post just to throw another dig in. You're kind of a tool, aren't you?

That seems to be a prevailing notion, yes.

 

[Perfect Cell]

Eh, victim blaming still isn't what's at play there, I'm not saying the victims have a hand in their situation, I'm saying the perception the perpetrators have of the victims' beliefs is relevant - there's a difference. Here's the hypothetical scenario: A) Everyone finds out, humiliations included, adulterers ousted - OR B) Nobody finds out, no humiliation, adultery continues. Which do you choose?

Obviously if there's an alternative option C, for the spouses to all be notified discreetly by email that their husbands/wives are cheating on them I'd choose that option everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

There's a choice between two likely paths here, the one that results in the truth being out there and the offended parties being informed would be the one I'd choose - irrespective of the humiliation or inconvenience. There's a possibility somebody could be saved from a lifelong relationship with somebody else that's busy cheating on them. In that very specific case, I think temporary humiliation is preferable over long term deceit.

See, this is legitimate discussion. No insults needed. Much of this I agree with. My main issue is that it forces more burden on those who are already going to deal with a lot. The cheaters... they can suffer as much as possible, they betrayed the trust of their relationship. It's the other half that bugs me in this blanket event.