Happy Birthday Mr Shumacher

[juarez]

I see what you guys did there! 'Cause, like, Shumacher is gay, ...and...and so is George Michael....and like, gayz 0nly like other gay stuff right?!

And I find it amusing that everyone posits how Shumacher "queered" Batman up with the nipples and the crotch shots, yet conveniently forget that he gave Batgirl's boobies a closeup in B&R and sexualised Nicole Kidman in Forever. What's the matter, your precious fragile hetero minds can't handle equal opportunity gratuitous objectification?

 

[Penismightier]

I see what you guys did there! 'Cause, like, Shumacher is gay, ...and...and so is George Michael....and like, gayz 0nly like other gay stuff right?!

Well, yeah. Gay men have a tendency to like, you know, gay things. Nothing wrong with it, just like how straight people like straight porn, gay men like gay porn. And there are certain artists that have large gay followings. That's not homophobic, since there are artists that cater to all people, such as romantic comedies are clearly catered towards women.

And I find it amusing that everyone posits how Shumacher "queered" Batman up with the nipples and the crotch shots, yet conveniently forget that he gave Batgirl's boobies a closeup in B&R and sexualised Nicole Kidman in Forever. What's the matter, your precious fragile hetero minds can't handle equal opportunity gratuitous objectification?

I'll say that the nipples and Batgirl's boobs were both unnecessary. The only argument I can think of for the boobs is that Batman and Robin's pecs were accentuated by their costumes, so why not Batgirl's femininity? It's weak, but it's all I've got. And regarding Kidman in Forever, she wasn't really sexualized to a great extent. Sure, she looked good and tried to seduce Batman, but straight women like men and will aggressively pursue them. It's not like she slept with a bunch of men or only appeared in skimpy outfits. You're probably referring to that one scene in the bedroom. One scene. When in all the rest she was wearing a lot of classy dresses and such. Kidman wasn't being objectified. Batgirl was to some extent, and I'll agree that it served no purpose, just like Batman with the nipple suits.

 

[Darkness Falls]

Does it really matter if he is gay or not
he still makes good movies
as people have mentioned

batman forever was good
batman and robin had many flaws but not complete crap

 

[CFE]

I see what you guys did there! 'Cause, like, Shumacher is gay, ...and...and so is George Michael....and like, gayz 0nly like other gay stuff right?!

And I find it amusing that everyone posits how Shumacher "queered" Batman up with the nipples and the crotch shots, yet conveniently forget that he gave Batgirl's boobies a closeup in B&R and sexualised Nicole Kidman in Forever. What's the matter, your precious fragile hetero minds can't handle equal opportunity gratuitous objectification?

I never said Schumacher's being gay was bad.

As big a Batman fan as I am, refusing to admit the presence of homo-erotic undertones would be naive. Choosing to put them to rest is another story.

But there's nothing wrong with a gay man directing a Batman film.

On the contrary there's everything wrong with attacking me for my apparently 'fragile hetero mind' when I was just pointing out a fact.

I'm well aware of Nicole Kidman's heaving bosom...I wasn't conveniently ignoring it, I just wasn't bringing it up to begin with because it had nothing to do with Schumacher being gay.

Keep this up, though. It'll make you REAL popular

CFE

 

[Crow222]

I got dibs on making the Schumacher is dead finally thread.

 

[juarez]

First of all, the inference that Shumacher should receive a George Michael c.d was homophobic, as it was disparaging Shumacher based on his sexuality. "They're both gay! ZOMG1!1!1" *arf!* - As most commentary on Shumacher sinks to.

I think that people suggesting Forever and B&R have a "gay sensibility/homerotic undertone" are just projecting their own bigotry because they know Shumacher is gay, and they're angry he made Gotham all neon and silly.

Of course neon/silly/camp does not equal gay. I'd be the first one to argue that Shumacher's approach to Batman was all wrong, but it isn't because of any gay sensibility. He wanted to make camp-action films in the style of the old 60s series, but failed because he didn't realise Batman isn't camp anymore and because his films missed the wit and irony of the Adam West show.

Let's get it out of the way, ....nipples! Nipples on the bat-suit are not inherently homosexual. Unless Shumacher filmed Robin licking on said Bat-suit nipples, -which he didn't. He has said in the past that he wanted the Bat-suit to be more like the human form, which involves nipples. Look at statues of naked guys, they're naked, they have nipples, ...but they ain't gay.

 

[El Payaso]

batman forever was good

I can agree on that one.

batman and robin had many flaws but not complete crap

Excuse me????

It can't be worse than it is. It s bad in every level except Michael gough.

 

[Matt.S99]

Does it really matter if he is gay or not
he still makes good movies
as people have mentioned

batman forever was good
batman and robin had many flaws but not complete crap

i still dont think its that great of a movie but its better then what most people make it out to be

 

[Mr. Socko]

You know a lot of directors, actors, and people in the entertainment industry are gay?

A lot of people everywhere are.

Does it really matter if he is gay or not
he still makes good movies
as people have mentioned

batman forever was good
batman and robin had many flaws but not complete crap

I agree.

First of all, the inference that Shumacher should receive a George Michael c.d was homophobic, as it was disparaging Shumacher based on his sexuality. "They're both gay! ZOMG1!1!1" *arf!* - As most commentary on Shumacher sinks to.

I think that people suggesting Forever and B&R have a "gay sensibility/homerotic undertone" are just projecting their own bigotry because they know Shumacher is gay, and they're angry he made Gotham all neon and silly.

Of course neon/silly/camp does not equal gay. I'd be the first one to argue that Shumacher's approach to Batman was all wrong, but it isn't because of any gay sensibility. He wanted to make camp-action films in the style of the old 60s series, but failed because he didn't realise Batman isn't camp anymore and because his films missed the wit and irony of the Adam West show.

Let's get it out of the way, ....nipples! Nipples on the bat-suit are not inherently homosexual. Unless Shumacher filmed Robin licking on said Bat-suit nipples, -which he didn't. He has said in the past that he wanted the Bat-suit to be more like the human form, which involves nipples. Look at statues of naked guys, they're naked, they have nipples, ...but they ain't gay.

I was a fan of alot of what Schumacher did including the neon and silly aspects. He made fun movies. But the homosexual undertones were still there.

 

[The-Dark-Knight]

I always wondered if Schumacher was gay. never mentioned anywhere but it dont surprise me one bit.

Its like finding out darlene from rosanne is gay, in the back of your head you always kinda knew.

now bryan singer being gay, that surprised me.

 

[juarez]

I always wondered if Schumacher was gay. never mentioned anywhere but it dont surprise me one bit.

Its like finding out darlene from rosanne is gay, in the back of your head you always kinda knew.

now bryan singer being gay, that surprised me.

Maybe you just need to realise that gay people are as diverse as straight folk, and don't all succumb to your stereotypical notions of them. It might surprise you to know that the majority of gay men appear as unassuming and "straight acting" as Bryan Singer.

 

[The-Dark-Knight]

Maybe you just need to realise that gay people are as diverse as straight folk, and don't all succumb to your stereotypical notions of them. It might surprise you to know that the majority of gay men appear as unassuming and "straight acting" as Bryan Singer.

I hate that about people on here, you make it sound like i think or said all gay people are camp, wear sailor suits, dress in pink and carry bags on there wrists and call everyone darling in a camp tone, i never.

I'm merley saying it was never mentioned anywhere that Schumacher was gay, but its quite obvious he is, you can just tell, at the back of your mind you just know like darlene or rupert everett

Not for one second do i think or have said that all gay people are as camp as say Kenny Everett.

I found bryan singer a surprise because I just me never thought he was, just like i never thought richard wilson (British actor) is.

I dont assume a man is gay or straingt just by the way they act. just like when Freddie Murcury came out people all over were surprised, yet when you look at him its pretty clear.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I hate that about people on here, you make it sound like i think or said all gay people are camp, wear sailor suits, dress in pink and carry bags on there wrists and call everyone darling in a camp tone, i never.

I'm merley saying it was never mentioned anywhere that Schumacher was gay, but its quite obvious he is, you can just tell, at the back of your mind you just know like darlene or rupert everett

Not for one second do i think or have said that all gay people are as camp as say Kenny Everett.

I found bryan singer a surprise because I just me never thought he was, just like i never thought richard wilson (British actor) is.

I dont assume a man is gay or straingt just by the way they act. just like when Freddie Murcury came out people all over were surprised, yet when you look at him its pretty clear.

Watch juarez twists your words around again and makes another idiotic post that ultimately ends with unnecessary claims of "homophobe!"

 

[juarez]

I was a fan of alot of what Schumacher did including the neon and silly aspects. He made fun movies. But the homosexual undertones were still there.

Ok, so what would you define as "homosexual undertones" then? A close-up of a male arse and (albeit rubber) nipples is not implicitly gay. Male nudity/the male form does not equal homoeroticism, just as shots of womens' boobs and arses do not signify lesbianism. There's a double standard when it comes to the depiction of the human body in film. It's alright for women to be objectified and seen sans clothes, while there's still a juvenile and arrested developed attitude when it comes to the male form. The prevailing attitude is that seeing the depiction of the male naked form in film is somehow gay. Evidently the media and culture at large is still under the sway of the heterosexual patriarchal hegemony, which reinforces the notion of women as sex object for straight male consumption and any instances of male nudity as deviant and gay.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Thank you for preaching the word Juarez. It's gay pride week down in Atlanta, I'm sure they would love your support. Give me a cookie and I'll march with you.

 

[juarez]

I hate that about people on here, you make it sound like i think or said all gay people are camp, wear sailor suits, dress in pink and carry bags on there wrists and call everyone darling in a camp tone, i never.

I'm merley saying it was never mentioned anywhere that Schumacher was gay, but its quite obvious he is, you can just tell, at the back of your mind you just know like darlene or rupert everett

Not for one second do i think or have said that all gay people are as camp as say Kenny Everett.

I found bryan singer a surprise because I just me never thought he was, just like i never thought richard wilson (British actor) is.

I dont assume a man is gay or straingt just by the way they act. just like when Freddie Murcury came out people all over were surprised, yet when you look at him its pretty clear.

Notice that I never implied that you think all gay men are camp, pink wearing sailors. Hyperbole much? What I was responding to was your belief that you can "tell" a person's sexual orientation just by how they sound/seem. I'm not attacking you individually per se, more like the overall societal assumptions we make regarding appearances and sexuality. As a culture we're conditioned to believe that all camp acting men are by nature gay, and the media reinforces that belief. However there are many seemingly gay people that are in fact straight. I myself have friends who are as camp as anything but are in fact heterosexual. So my point was that you can't just assume something about someone based on appearances. Again I'm not just attacking you, I've done it in the past myself. To tie this in with Batman, well, I think it's pretty established that Joel Shumacher is gay, but one shouldn't just assume he is based on his "colourful" movies y'know?

 

[juarez]

Thank you for preaching the word Juarez. It's gay pride week down in Atlanta, I'm sure they would love your support. Give me a cookie and I'll march with you.

Great witty comeback! 'cause, like, arguing in favour of fair and accurate gay representations must just make me a militant, straight-bashing, professional homosexual right?! yeah, I totally see what you did there! Someone interested in gay rights, should, like, go march in a gay pride parade. Simply brilliant.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Great witty comeback! 'cause, like, arguing in favour of fair and accurate gay representations must just make me a militant, straight-bashing, professional homosexual right?! yeah, I totally see what you did there! Someone interested in gay rights, should, like, go march in a gay pride parade. Simply brilliant.

Ohh, did I hit a nerve there.

Wazzamatta, can't take a little joke, Batsy?

 

[juarez]

Ohh, did I hit a nerve there.

Wazzamatta, can't take a little joke, Batsy?

When it's funny.

 

[Mr. Socko]

You seem to be here to cause a ruckus. You come along and try to make us look like anti-gay skinhead Nazis. When in fact, all we're saying is that a few of Joel Schumacher's films contain gay undertones. If you don't think so then maybe you also don't think Spike Lee's films contain racial undertones.

 

[juarez]

You seem to be here to cause a ruckus. You come along and try to make us look like anti-gay skinhead Nazis. When in fact, all we're saying is that a few of Joel Schumacher's films contain gay undertones. If you don't think so then maybe you also don't think Spike Lee's films contain racial undertones.

When have I implied or stated that you're anti-gay skinhead Nazis? You're exaggerating and it's coming across as defensive. All I've done is respond to what I've perceived to be several naive/ignorant comments and attempted to have a mature discussion about assumptions based on sexual orientation. I've not once called someone out for being a nazi, or even *gasp!* a homophobe. I've said that several comments can be taken as homophobic, but there's a difference. One can be homophobic without being a nazi skin-head, and without even realising it the majority of the time. I note that you haven't replied to any of my previous comments/attempts at a discussion, and seem to be only interested in making me out to be some kind of gay tyrant. Can't you have a discussion on gay issues without resorting to accusations of twisting words?

You've stated that you believe Shumacher's film to contain gay subtext, what you haven't done is discuss why you believe that to be so, and thus I remain unconvinced.

 

[BubbaGump]

You seem to be here to cause a ruckus, KID.

Fixed.

 

[Bat Attack]

Happy Birthday Princess-erm-Joel.

 

[DX]

Excuse me????

It can't be worse than it is. It s bad in every level except Michael gough.

It's better than Fantastic Four 2.

At least I get a laugh from B&R.