The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Harry amps up Electro

[Asteroid-Man]

Just like Edward Nigma in Batman Forever

 

[Nicko-Ray]

^ Dude, not to go off topic, but I swear every time I see your avvy, I'm convinced it's larger than 100x100

 

[Picard Sisko]

^ Dude, not to go off topic, but I swear every time I see your avvy, I'm convinced it's larger than 100x100

You know, I thought the same thing. lmao

 

[Nicko-Ray]

^ Right? Lol is it just an optical illusion or what?

 

[Super Jim]

So why do you guys think that it's Doctor Kaftka who is helping Harry amp up Electro, and not my concept of Doc Ock.

I know that Doc Ock has not been released as being in the movie, but that doesn't mean he won't be in it.

I know that Masse played TMITS in Amazing Spider-Man 1, but do we know for sure he'll be playing in that role in TASM2?

If so, who is to say that Massee couldn't be Doc Ock.

Being that I've already proved that Harry is shown "the future" by TMITS and that this is likely the same guy (an Engineer/Inventor type) who likely helps Harry amp up Electro, then why believe that that is Kaftka, who in the comics was just the founder of a mental asylum?

 

[Picard Sisko]

We believe its Kafka and not Octavious because we KNOW Kafka is actually in the movie, and I think:

Spoiler

the storyboards involving Electro also included Kafka watching/talking to him with Donald Menken.

 

[Super Jim]

Interesting...

Trying to see the connection between Harry/Menken (Oscorp) and Kaftka...

If Electro is first defeated in Times Square (because he can't control himself and isn't poerful enough) and ends up in Ravenscroft, that could be how/where we meet Kaftka. I always assumed it would be because of Rhino going to Ranvenscroft that we would go there...

But would they have Spiderman fight Electro, defeating him so he goes to Ravenscroft, have him get out so he can be amped up by Harry and "Doc", just so Spiderman can fight him again? Seems redundant.

What I feel strongly about is that Harry gets hurt by Electro during the amping up scene, which either directly follows or is followed by the Chamber of the Future scene. That would likely mean that "Doc" is TMITS, since we see the fedora guy wearing a lab coat (assuming they are the same guy)...

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Interesting...

Trying to see the connection between Harry/Menken (Oscorp) and Kaftka...


If Electro is first defeated in Times Square (because he can't control himself and isn't poerful enough) and ends up in Ravenscroft, that could be how/where we meet Kaftka. I always assumed it would be because of Rhino going to Ranvenscroft that we would go there...

But would they have Spiderman fight Electro, defeating him so he goes to Ravenscroft, have him get out so he can be amped up by Harry and "Doc", just so Spiderman can fight him again? Seems redundant.

What I feel strongly about is that Harry gets hurt by Electro during the amping up scene, which either directly follows or is followed by the Chamber of the Future scene. That would likely mean that "Doc" is TMITS, since we see the fedora guy wearing a lab coat (assuming they are the same guy)...

That's probably exactly what happens. I don't see how it would be redudant though. It's kinda obvious the next time they fight is at the Power Plant.

Nah that doesn't mean "Doc" is TMITS.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I really, REALLY doubt TMITS is "Doc." He is more than likely the Gentleman unless we have been really mislead all along.

And I don't see how its redundant that they would want Electro to fight Spider-Man again. He failed once, but that doesn't mean he could have a good chance at defeating Spider-Man in round 2 (especially if they are "amping" him up). And for all we know, nobody "amps" him up, but rather Electro just escapes and takes matters into his own hands.

I still wonder what Harry's motivations are for turning himself into the Goblin. Is it because Electro fails? Did he just want "power?" Did he want personal revenge against Peter? Did he want to team up with Electro?

 

[Super Jim]

As far as fighting and defeating Electro twice being redundant, that's more of a personal opinion. But you do agree for Electro to be in Ravenscroft where Doctor Kaftka could have access, more than likely he would need to be defeated by Spiderman. I just don't see them having Electro fight Spidey twice and having Spidey defeat him twice. It's one thing to fight and Electro escape, so he can return more powerful...

Anyway, let's focus on the "amping up" issue.

We know that Electro will be "amped" due to this picture:

This Electro is definitely enhanced as compared to the one we see roaming around Times Square.

Further, we know that Harry has something to do with it because of this pick:

There's Harry right there, watching on. And I think it's safe to say that Harry did not invent this equipment, nor is he operating it. That means that someone else is involved, yes?

That means that the one operating things is "Doc", yes? And that "Doc" will be an important character. Important enough to hold a dialog with Electro about wanting to know how powerful he is...

Please note how in the above pictures Electro is not wearing a shirt. That means he is provided and dons his containment suit after this process.

Now, for Harry to be involved is this more likely to happen at Oscorp or at Ravenscroft? In the above picture, does the marble pillar look to be Oscorp or Ravenscroft? To me it's Oscorp all the way...

So how would Doctor Kaftka get involved at Oscorp? If it was Ravenscroft then I would be right there with you. I guess it's also what they do with Kaftka's character. If he's the director of Ravenscroft or a pyschologist, then I can't see "Doc" being him in this setting.

Now, do we all agree that Harry is wearing the same clothes in this scene as the "amping up" scene?:

And this is Harry watching someone come down the elevator into the chamber with the 7 doors (minimum):

Notice the chamber doors are shut. So logically the guy in the fedora, who we hear during the trailer talking to Harry about "the future", opened these doors to show him "the future", which includes Doc Ock's tentacles and Vulture's wings:

Now this is all obviously before Harry is tranformed into the Goblin:

Notice the same cut under his eye as seen in the chamber pic. And we know that he will look different once he is goblinized (goblinated?):

He also gets some pretty cool armor and a glider. Who gave it to him? Likely the same guy that was showing him "the future" and helped him tranform, and likely helped him "amp up" Electro, meaning this "Doc" guy. So likely one of the six chambers had this stuff in it...

What I'm trying to figure out is what is/was in this chamber and why the gun is on the ground...

Is that Harry's jacket on the ground? Where would the gun have come from and why? Also, in the chamber itself, what is that on the ground towards the left?

As far as motivation, my best guess is that daddy had him "help" Electro get "amped up" with the plans of controlling him. That obviously didn't work out as planned. Dad's gonna be pissed. We know, from the trailer, that Harry starts to lust for what Oscorp can do. We hear the whole "we can change everything", and it sounds like Harry has embraced those plans and accepts it when pops says "not everyone has a happy ending" in response to "what about Peter?". So between wanting to make his father proud, saving his father, losing control of Electro and his lust of changing everything; well I can see Harry's motivation...

 

[Super Jim]

Ok, help me out with this one...

In the sizzle, at time 2:46, Electro (who has just gone through being amped up) is talking with someone and says "Lets go catch a spider".

You can only see the person from behind.

Is that Harry?

 

[Airnick]

Ok, help me out with this one...

In the sizzle, at time 2:46, Electro (who has just gone through being amped up) is talking with someone and says "Lets go catch a spider".

You can only see the person from behind.

Is that Harry?

Yep it looks that way.

 

[Blu3H3ll]

I'm convinced the man in the shadows is doc ock only because the tentacles seem to be attracted to him when we see them in the trailer

 

[Airnick]

I'm convinced the man in the shadows is doc ock only because the tentacles seem to be attracted to him when we see them in the trailer

Interesting but I don't know, I just don't think TMITS is Doc Ock.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I don't think TMITS is Doc Ock just because of that though. It could just follow anyone who passes by them.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Looks like Harry and Electro team-up to go after Spidey.

We know all about Electros motivation but nothing about why Harry wants to go after Spidey or how or why he takes the Goblin Serum

 

[Naite22]

What do you guys think of the theory going on about Max's "accident" not actually being an accident? - That it's supposedly Oscorp behind it all, and that they perfectly planned to lure Max into this trap, thereby creating the monster he becomes?... Personally, I like that idea a whole lot more than just him being yet another fool, who accidentally just happens to turn him self into yet another, funny enough, perfectly living freak of nature (Instead of just freaking dying, which would be the most likely thing to have happen during these ****ed up circumstances)

What do you guys think?

 

[Asteroid-Man]

^ Dude, not to go off topic, but I swear every time I see your avvy, I'm convinced it's larger than 100x100

You know, I thought the same thing. lmao

^ Right? Lol is it just an optical illusion or what?

Right... optical illusion.

 

[Picard Sisko]

What do you guys think of the theory going on about Max's "accident" not actually being an accident? - That it's supposedly Oscorp behind it all, and that they perfectly planned to lure Max into this trap, thereby creating the monster he becomes?... Personally, I like that idea a whole lot more than just him being yet another fool, who accidentally just happens to turn him self into yet another, funny enough, perfectly living freak of nature (Instead of just freaking dying, which would be the most likely thing to have happen during these ****ed up circumstances)

What do you guys think?

Well Max willingly goes to take care of the issue himself when he says, "I can do that."

Its possible that Smythe purposely does something to the machinery to break it which leads to Max having to fix it and gets into his accident. But I think its a stretch.

 

[SpeterMan3]

I thought this was what we all were expecting. I don't remember anyone questioning it until recently. Weird. But yeah, I like it.

 

[Naite22]

Well Max willingly goes to take care of the issue himself when he says, "I can do that."

Its possible that Smythe purposely does something to the machinery to break it which leads to Max having to fix it and gets into his accident. But I think its a stretch.

Maybe he's ordered to go and check it out? Just check it out. But than while he's there he thinks, hey. I can do this my self, and maybe I'll be recognized and get some major credit for it? I don't know, just speculating. We'll see

 

[Picard Sisko]

I feel like Smythe will be indirectly responsible for what happens to Electro. As in… he is overseeing the power plant project and he could be ordering Max to go "check it out."

We'll see how things turn out in a few months haha

 

[MrSpyder]

My pulse is racing mental torture self destroyer calling card with paranoia slipping something mind distracting agony inside of me
'Electro's mind

 

[Super Jim]

So, is Max being amped up at Oscorp or Ravenscroft. Is there any evidence to support either?

 

[Picard Sisko]

I feel like it's at Ravencroft, but I can't be too sure.