Harry Potter Book 7 [SPOILERS-ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK!]

[Majik1387]

Didn't Harry also say that because of his sacrifice in the forest for his friends, that Voldemort cannot hurt any of them because of that??? I can't remember but I think he said something along that while he was taunting Riddle inside Hogwarts.

I wanna say yes. Harry basicaly did for the people at the school what Lily did for Harry.

 

[Da Docta]

Didn't Harry also say that because of his sacrifice in the forest for his friends, that Voldemort cannot hurt any of them because of that??? I can't remember but I think he said something along that while he was taunting Riddle inside Hogwarts.

Well, he did say all Voldy's spells weren't binding because of it. It brings up another question, though: What was the point of casting Shield Charms between Molly Weasley and the other students?

 

[Majik1387]

Well, he did say all Voldy's spells weren't binding because of it. It brings up another question, though: What was the point of casting Shield Charms between Molly Weasley and the other students?

To stop another horcrux from being made possibly?
I mean, Voldy didn't know Harry was a horcrux for a while, and maybe the same effect would happen if Voldy casted AK on Molly/students the way it happened to Harry as a baby.

 

[Matt]

To stop another horcrux from being made possibly?
I mean, Voldy didn't know Harry was a horcrux for a while, and maybe the same effect would happen if Voldy casted AK on Molly/students the way it happened to Harry as a baby.

very interesting point.

 

[Da Docta]

To stop another horcrux from being made possibly?
I mean, Voldy didn't know Harry was a horcrux for a while, and maybe the same effect would happen if Voldy casted AK on Molly/students the way it happened to Harry as a baby.

If Harry's sacrifice worked like Lily's, all of Voldemort's AKs would rebound off of the students. A Horcrux could also be made if one of the AKs hit Voldemort. Shield Charms deflect minor spells.

 

[Majik1387]

If Harry's sacrifice worked like Lily's, all of Voldemort's AKs would rebound off of the students.

Kinda, if his sacrifice was the same as Lily's, it would deflect and also make a new horcrux the way it happened with Harry.

A Horcrux could also be made if one of the AKs hit Voldemort.

No, because Harry didn't sacrifice himself to protect Voldemort.

 

[Da Docta]

I don't quite get what you're trying to say. Are you saying he casted Shield Charms so that Voldemort's soul can't latch onto other people? Or are you saying he cast them because it would repel the AKs?

 

[Majik1387]

I don't quite get what you're trying to say. Are you saying he casted Shield Charms so that Voldemort's soul can't latch onto other people? Or are you saying he cast them because it would repel the AKs?

A bit of both really.

A sheild to prevent another horcrux from accidentally being made on Molly/students.
And seeing as Harry was now open to death for good, he used it to deflect it.

 

[Da Docta]

A bit of both really.

A sheild to prevent another horcrux from accidentally being made on Molly/students.
And seeing as Harry was now open to death for good, he used it to deflect it.

Shield Charms only repel minor curses/hexes. Also, if a Horcrux could be made if an AK rebounded then why didn't it happen in the Great Hall final duel?

 

[Majik1387]

Shield Charms only repel minor curses/hexes. Also, if a Horcrux could be made if an AK rebounded then why didn't it happen in the Great Hall final duel?

Because like I said before, Harry's sacrifice charm does not protect Voldemort. The Avada Kedavra Voldy cast repelled back and killed him.

As for the Shield Charms only repelling minor curses and hexes, Voldy was using a wand that doesn't work entirely the way he wants, since it truly belonged to Harry, and Harry truly won over the wand he was using so maybe all that has to do with the strength of the magic.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

- Hedwig, Noooooooooooooo.

- Dobby and Kreacher need their own TV shows.

- Longbottom FTW!

- Harry and Ginny make an amazing couple. Quite unlike Ron and Hermione.

- Molly Weasely was great. God, I love that lady.

- 3 cheers for the first black Minister of Magic.

- Albus Dumbledore, I still hate you.

- I can totally totally relate to Voldemort in his obsession with escaping death

- The epilogue was awesome

- Ravenclaw all day, every day

 

[Darkly Dexter]

I guess you don't see my point. I wanted a good Harry vs Voldemort wand fight. Mrs. Weasley vs Bellatrix will be great and it will be wonderful to see all the professors like Trelawney and McGonnagal out fighting as well. The book was great don't get me wrong, I just didn't expect Harry to kill him off with expelliamus. I just figured Harry would be pissed and come at Voldemort shooting spells one after another while taunting Voldemort and then finally just overpower him. But I understand it was Riddle's arrogance and ignorance that was his own ultimate demise...Dumbledore mentioned that quiet a few times.

but, that would've been impossible. Voldemort is the greatest wizard of the world. Harry was just average.

 

[Secret_Riddle]

I wanna say yes. Harry basicaly did for the people at the school what Lily did for Harry.

Exactly right, he was given a choice, and chose self sacrifice.

Everyone at the school was safe from that point on.

 

[SapphirePrima]

but, that would've been impossible. Voldemort is the greatest wizard of the world. Harry was just average.

I wouldn't call Harry average.

 

[Majik1387]

but, that would've been impossible. Voldemort is the greatest wizard of the world. Harry was just average.

I wouldn't call Harry average.

And Voldemort isn't considered the greatest wizard in the world.

 

[Secret_Riddle]

but, that would've been impossible. Voldemort is the greatest wizard of the world. Harry was just average.

Dumbeldore "it would take an unusually gifted wizard to kill Voldemort"

Dumbeldore believed that Harry would have to kill Voldemort so he obviously found Harry capable.

 

[Darkly Dexter]

I wouldn't call Harry average.

He is average. Snape owned him in HBP and he wasn't even trying. How in the world would he beat Voldemort in a duel based just on skill?

and Voldemort (with Dumbledore dead) was indeed the best wizard of the world.

 

[Secret_Riddle]

He is average. Snape owned him in HBP and he wasn't even trying. How in the world would he beat Voldemort in a duel based just on skill?

and Voldemort (with Dumbledore dead) was indeed the best wizard of the world.

Well i think Harry just has a lot of growing to do, but he is a reasonably gifted wizard, just look at him in the battle of hogwarts, or any other action scene in deathly hallows, he really shows his powers, and resoursefulness, plus at the end of book 6 his emotions were clouding his judgement and performance.

Voldemort would win in a duel based solely on skill.

although I do agree that Voldemort is the best wizard in the world, but he did cheat his way to get there in a sense.

 

[Majik1387]

He is average. Snape owned him in HBP and he wasn't even trying. How in the world would he beat Voldemort in a duel based just on skill?

Because the wand Voldy was using didn't really belong to him and didn't work the way he wanted it to.

and Voldemort (with Dumbledore dead) was indeed the best wizard of the world.

Not really.

 

[Darkly Dexter]

Well i think Harry just has a lot of growing to do, but he is a reasonably gifted wizard, just look at him in the battle of hogwarts, or any other action scene in deathly hallows, he really shows his powers, and resoursefulness, plus at the end of book 6 his emotions were clouding his judgement and performance.

of course, maybe he could've beaten every single student of Howarts, maybe. But, against Voldemort? He could barely defeat Death Eaters and just because he was under the invisibility cloak.

 

[04nbod]

Well i think Harry just has a lot of growing to do, but he is a reasonably gifted wizard, just look at him in the battle of hogwarts, or any other action scene in deathly hallows, he really shows his powers, and resoursefulness, plus at the end of book 6 his emotions were clouding his judgement and performance.

Voldemort would win in a duel based solely on skill.

although I do agree that Voldemort is the best wizard in the world, but he did cheat his way to get there in a sense.

we also have to take into account the prophecy that voldemort would mark him as his equal. We have to remember the wand, the part of voldemort's soul. Harry was nothing special, it was his ties to voldemort that gave him his ability. It was shown again when Harry's wand worked of its on accord- he admits its not him.

 

[Darkly Dexter]

Because the wand Voldy was using didn't really belong to him and didn't work the way he wanted it to.

Not really.

That's not win on skills. And, have you read the books? because, if you did it, you should know that Voldemort and Dumbledore were the best wizards of the world (is debatable who was better). Read a little and then we discuss.

 

[Secret_Riddle]

of course, maybe he could've beaten every single student of Howarts, maybe. But, against Voldemort? He could barely defeat Death Eaters and just because he was under the invisibility cloak.

Harry is not as gifted as tom riddle was, i agree.

Book 1: Had his mothers protection
Book 2: Had a basilisk fang..luck
Book 4: Priori Incatartum saved his life.
Book 5: Dumbeldore saved his life
Book 7: A technicality saved his life.

He is not as powerful..and gets lucky a lot but thats why i think that his resoursefulness, and a good spirit often provide him with the tools he needs where as voldemort has to rely on his own power, which in the end made him arrogant and lead to his own demise. Voldemort also doesnt know love, which Dumbeldore believes naturally gives harry the means to destroy him.

Was he right? Well..sort of i guess.

 

[Majik1387]

That's not win on skills. And, have you read the books? because, if you did it, you should know that Voldemort and Dumbledore were the best wizards of the world (is debatable who was better). Read a little and then we discuss.

They say a lot of wizards were the best wizards of the world.
I'll give you Voldy was the best living wizard of the world though.

 

[Darkly Dexter]

Harry is not as gifted as tom riddle was, i agree.

Book 1: Had his mothers protection
Book 2: Had a basilisk fang..luck
Book 4: Priori Incatartum saved his life.
Book 5: Dumbeldore saved his life
Book 7: A technicality saved his life.

He is not as powerful..and gets lucky a lot but thats why i think that his resoursefulness, and a good spirit often provide him with the tools he needs where as voldemort has to rely on his own power, which in the end made him arrogant and lead to his own demise. Voldemort also doesnt know love, which Dumbeldore believes naturally gives harry the means to destroy him.

Was he right? Well..sort of i guess.

totally agree. and for his age, he is certainly a good wizard who has learned a lot because of everything he had to deal with. But I think that there are better wizards of his age, more skilled than him, for example, Ginny and Hermione. The greatest skill of Harry is his bravery.