Harry Potter Book 7 [SPOILERS-ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK!]

[Sandman138]

Not entirely, but I feel like she's set it up so that Harry has never actively done anything except make a series of sacrifices that, through a series of coincidences increasing exponentially in outlandishness, turn out to not be sacrifices at all. When Voldemort asks who Harry is going to throw in front of himself this time to cheat death, I couldn't help but think "right on".

 

[Darkly Dexter]

But Snape only felt remorse because he deprived himself of what he wanted. He would've stayed perfectly loyal to Voldie if Voldie had actually spared Lily. He had no real remorse or he wouldn't have tortured Lily's 11 year old son for no reason other than having James as his father. Snape was a cruel, twisted, obsessive, evil human being. He just happened to be on the right side because it benefited his wants.

you're totally wrong there, he told EVERYTHING to Dumbledore BEFORE Voldemort killed Lily and James. He didn't even know that the prophecy was referred to Harry. He wasn't the average Death Eater, there was always good in him. And he proved it saving not only Harry's life, but aslo the life of a lot of people. Yes, he was cruel with Harry (he also saved his life more than once) but who wasn't cruel with someone? If he had no real remorse like you say, why the hell did he give his life for Harry? What benefited his wants there?
I think the guy wasn't "good", but for God's sake he wasn't evil either.

 

[Carcharodon]

Okay, ture enough. I'm just not a fan of the heavy handed names for one dimensional villains.

Maybe it's Scorpio...yeah, that's it. Meh.

 

[Sandman138]

Either way I can only

 

[Leto Atrides]

Okay, ture enough. I'm just not a fan of the heavy handed names for one dimensional villains.

There's also the whole thing where members of the Black family (which includes Draco's mom) almost all have stars or constellations for names: Cygnus, Sirius, Regulus, Bellatrix, Andromeda, Draco, Scorpius.

 

[Sandman138]

Wow, I feel like an idiot for missing that. I always assumed that Draco referred to the Athenian. I don't even remember Cygnus or Andromeda, which would have been a huge tip off. Still, I should have figured it out from Sirius and Regulus. Never knew Bellatrix was a constellation. I actually like that theme. Still, Malfoy, Black, and Lestrange make it pretty easy to identify these characters as evil. Which might not be as annoying for me if they were anything more than just evil... with evil sounding names.

 

[Sandman138]

Maybe it's Scorpio...yeah, that's it. Meh.

That's what I thought, but you were right, the constellation is Scorpius. I still think it's a particullarly heavy handed one. Besides, if she was going with constellations, how could she miss Cassiopeia?

 

[Leto Atrides]

Wow, I feel like an idiot for missing that. I always assumed that Draco referred to the Athenian. I don't even remember Cygnus or Andromeda, which would have been a huge tip off. Still, I should have figured it out from Sirius and Regulus. Never knew Bellatrix was a constellation. I actually like that theme. Still, Malfoy, Black, and Lestrange make it pretty easy to identify these characters as evil. Which might not be as annoying for me if they were anything more than just evil... with evil sounding names.

Also, Sirius is the dog star. Puns within puns, it's madness.

 

[JinnSato]

There's also the whole thing where members of the Black family (which includes Draco's mom) almost all have stars or constellations for names: Cygnus, Sirius, Regulus, Bellatrix, Andromeda, Draco, Scorpius.

Ha ha ha ha I just now noticed that.. Thats cool.

 

[sp1derg1rl]

just read it. awesome. can't wait till the movie is made.

 

[Lobo]

Hmm haven't commented in here since I read the book, the saddest moment for me was Fred's death

 

[sp1derg1rl]

nah saddest death was a toss up between hedwig, Dobby and snape

 

[Sandman138]

you're totally wrong there, he told EVERYTHING to Dumbledore BEFORE Voldemort killed Lily and James. He didn't even know that the prophecy was referred to Harry. He wasn't the average Death Eater, there was always good in him. And he proved it saving not only Harry's life, but aslo the life of a lot of people. Yes, he was cruel with Harry (he also saved his life more than once) but who wasn't cruel with someone? If he had no real remorse like you say, why the hell did he give his life for Harry? What benefited his wants there?
I think the guy wasn't "good", but for God's sake he wasn't evil either.

I think his true character came through when Black called Granger a mudblood and Snape quickly cut him off with "Don't use that word".

 

[C.F. Kane]

If anyone here is on facebook, I urge them to join this group if they haven't already.

 

[Ring Deacon]

I finally finished it last night, between work and family stuff it took me longer then I thought it would.

I have to say I am sad that it is over. I was in shock over Fred's death and very let down over Tonks and Lupin dieing without a big death scene, but the battle at the end will look awesome on screen.

But why do I get the feeling that the only way we are going to see the epilouge is either on the DVD or we will have to stay till the end of the credits to see it?

 

[Darkly Dexter]

I think his true character came through when Black called Granger a mudblood and Snape quickly cut him off with "Don't use that word".

yes, he never used that word again after his problem with Lily.

 

[chaseter]

Great book but I had a few questions that I was mad was not answered. Why didn't Ginny have a much larger role? It has been hinted in the books and the movies that she has potential for enormous power...also being the 7th child and all. Also, I wish the veil and Sirius' death would have been explained more or given a reason or revelation in book 7.

 

[Majik1387]

Because Ginny sucks.







Not really. But anyway, I don't think anything in the books or movies hinted at her being all this great potential witch. Her time in teh book was fine, it was the forced love interest with Harry that was bad.

 

[Leto Atrides]

I think his true character came through when Black called Granger a mudblood and Snape quickly cut him off with "Don't use that word".

Yeah, he's not actually evil, just a jackass.

 

[Fanticon]

Well i can finally enter this thread...the epilogue was an absolute waste of paper.
Peace out HP.

 

[Darkly Dexter]

But Snape only felt remorse because he deprived himself of what he wanted. He would've stayed perfectly loyal to Voldie if Voldie had actually spared Lily. He had no real remorse or he wouldn't have tortured Lily's 11 year old son for no reason other than having James as his father. Snape was a cruel, twisted, obsessive, evil human being. He just happened to be on the right side because it benefited his wants.

From Rowling own words

Do you think snape is a hero?

J.K. Rowling: Yes, I do; though a very flawed hero. An anti-hero, perhaps. He is not a particularly likeable man in many ways. He remains rather cruel, a bully, riddled with bitterness and insecurity - and yet he loved, and showed loyalty to that love. and, ultimately, laid down his life because of it. That's pretty heroic!




He isn't a hero, but he isn't evil either.

 

[Fanticon]

Inadvertently, JK Rowling somehow managed with these last 3 books to make James Potter out to be an arrogant jerk, while Snape a brave martyr who loved Harry like a son and Lilly like a wife.
Not the direction I saw it going, but there are other ways to have made Snape a little more connected to the cause rather than this cheap back story in the final book mind you, about how he's had a crush on Lilly since they were kids. A friendship, fine, but a truly deep love for her? Give me a break...the more i analyze it I see why she told it like this...but, let me make a StarWars reference...if the movies are actually about Anakins journey and not Luke's, are we to believe that these books were about Snape all along?

 

[Darkly Dexter]

Inadvertently, JK Rowling somehow managed with these last 3 books to make James Potter out to be an arrogant jerk, while Snape a brave martyr who loved Harry like a son and Lilly like a wife.
Not the direction I saw it going, but there are other ways to have made Snape a little more connected to the cause rather than this cheap back story in the final book mind you, about how he's had a crush on Lilly since they were kids. A friendship, fine, but a truly deep love for her? Give me a break...the more i analyze it I see why she told it like this...but, let me make a StarWars reference...if the movies are actually about Anakins journey and not Luke's, are we to believe that these books were about Snape all along?

what books have you read?

If Rowling have told us something in these books, it is that NOBODY is perfect, everybody has darkness in the past. Hell, even Dumbledore wasn't the perfect man.

 

[Leto Atrides]

what books have you read?

If Rowling have told us something in these books, it is that NOBODY is perfect, everybody has darkness in the past. Hell, even Dumbledore wasn't the perfect man.

He's really off-base about Snape, but that's pretty much how James is portrayed. Presumably he's usually a nice guy because of he's supposed to be within context, but other than helping Remus the only accounts ever given of him are mocking and playing dangerous pranks on Snape (who is now a tragic hero).

Loving his child and his wife are the only positive attributes you ever hear about him.

 

[Fanticon]

in the end it was still about the power of love conquering all...even the most powerful and evil of magic. And I'll stand by what I said...James continues to get the shaft in the end...the more that is revealed about how cruel he was to Snape...the less we care for him. It angered me as the reader, but eventually, I just blame it on JK for poor story arcs.

Shouldn't Harry's epilogue son have been named James Severus Potter? I thought that would have been more effective...but then she couldn't have written that "two of the bravest men I've ever met" line. It came off a bit cliche.