Superman Returns Has anyone else here read 'Up, Up And Away?'

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I have just recently read it and to me it is VERY SR like in its story, but i feel perhaps that people who didnt like SR would have liked this story to be adapted instead. Incidently it was also released in 2006.

Its set a year after 'Infinite Crisis' and Superman has had no powers since those events, so he just lives life as Clark Kent but keeps in touch with the JL to protect Metropolis.

Lex Luthor get's out of jail at the start and is hated by the city, so he wants revenge on it and Superman. He finds an ancient Kryptonian weapon buried near the Earth's core and uses Kryptonite to bring it to the surface and reeks havoc on Metropolis. The Kryptonian spaceship is very powerful and has the potential to wipe out worlds, but just in time Superman's powers return and a big battle ensues t: .

Obviously there are some big differences, but the story's are definately very alike and i just wonder if both people who liked or disliked SR feel it would have made a better movie than what we got.

I liked the story a lot.

 

[Angeloz]

I read most of it but missed the start.

Angeloz

 

[dr collossus]

I read it and enjoyed it quite a lot. I also saw the similarities with SR and think undoubtedly it was published as some kind of unofficial tie-in (ie. a cash in! )

 

[X Knight]

I did read this Graphic Novel, and yes I immediately saw the parallels with SR.

I also thought that Up, Up, and Away handled an "Absence / Return" story much more effectively that SR.........

 

[mego joe]

I read it as it was released and incidentally the last chapter came out the same day as SR did in the U.S.



Actually, SR ruined my enjoyment of the last chapter of the story.

I read it and enjoyed it quite a lot. I also saw the similarities with SR and think undoubtedly it was published as some kind of unofficial tie-in (ie. a cash in! )

While there may seem to be similarities, they are superficial at best. That story was conceived way in advance of SR, the similarities were conincidental b/c the story ties in with the whole of the DC Universe. It wasn't just Superman that was gone, it was Batman and Wonder Woman as well. And Superman didn't leave Earth of his own accord, he lost his powers in an attempt to save the world.

Luthor's storyline is part of the comics adding back in a lot of Silver Age elements. In the storyline from 52 Luthor actually is finally found out by the public to be a fraud and evil man. His days as ex-President, billionaire CEO are over. He's lost his company and his reputation in the public. THis is only one aspect of the Superman mythos that are being reworked in a Silver Age manner, see the upcoming "Superman and the Legion of SUper-Heroes" arc starting in December's Action Comics.

Unfortunately, knowing this still did not keep SR from ruining my enjoyment of the last chapter. Up to that point I was loving it. Overall, it is a great story. But Lois and Clark are still married, he didn't choose to leave Earth etc... so for me there is no substance in the similarities of the stories.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I did read this Graphic Novel, and yes I immediately saw the parallels with SR.

I also thought that Up, Up, and Away handled an "Absence / Return" story much more effectively that SR.........

Well this is why i started the thread, to see if the people who disliked SR felt that UUAA would have made a better SR, with some obvious adjustments.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I read it as it was released and incidentally the last chapter came out the same day as SR did in the U.S.



Actually, SR ruined my enjoyment of the last chapter of the story.



While there may seem to be similarities, they are superficial at best. That story was conceived way in advance of SR, the similarities were conincidental b/c the story ties in with the whole of the DC Universe. It wasn't just Superman that was gone, it was Batman and Wonder Woman as well. And Superman didn't leave Earth of his own accord, he lost his powers in an attempt to save the world.

Luthor's storyline is part of the comics adding back in a lot of Silver Age elements. In the storyline from 52 Luthor actually is finally found out by the public to be a fraud and evil man. His days as ex-President, billionaire CEO are over. He's lost his company and his reputation in the public. THis is only one aspect of the Superman mythos that are being reworked in a Silver Age manner, see the upcoming "Superman and the Legion of SUper-Heroes" arc starting in December's Action Comics.

Unfortunately, knowing this still did not keep SR from ruining my enjoyment of the last chapter. Up to that point I was loving it. Overall, it is a great story. But Lois and Clark are still married, he didn't choose to leave Earth etc... so for me there is no substance in the similarities of the stories.

That was something that confused me with the storyline, in UUAA it said that Infinite Crisis ended when the 2 Supermen, took Superboy into the red son Rao.

But when i read IC, it ends with the 2 Supermen fighting, and the older one realising that he shouldnt be fighting our Superman because our world isnt his.

So when did they throw SB into Rao, because it didnt happen in Infinite Crisis.

 

[dr collossus]

And Superman didn't leave Earth of his own accord, he lost his powers in an attempt to save the world.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I may need to re-read it, but didn't it turn out that Superman had been psychologically repressing his powers?

 

[Angeloz]

Correct me if I'm wrong, I may need to re-read it, but didn't it turn out that Superman had been psychologically repressing his powers?

You're right and the latest comic (Action I believe in the US) has Batman explain that a Red Sun (radiation) blocks access to his powers. But only as long as he's exposed to it. Take it away he has full access to his powers.

Angeloz

 

[Swordmaster]

That was something that confused me with the storyline, in UUAA it said that Infinite Crisis ended when the 2 Supermen, took Superboy into the red son Rao.

But when i read IC, it ends with the 2 Supermen fighting, and the older one realising that he shouldnt be fighting our Superman because our world isnt his.

So when did they throw SB into Rao, because it didnt happen in Infinite Crisis.

Yeah it did, Issue 7 IIRC correctly.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Well i have the Infinite Crisis graphic novel and its not in that. It is in another GN?

 

[mego joe]

That was something that confused me with the storyline, in UUAA it said that Infinite Crisis ended when the 2 Supermen, took Superboy into the red son Rao.

But when i read IC, it ends with the 2 Supermen fighting, and the older one realising that he shouldnt be fighting our Superman because our world isnt his.

DId you read SUperman: Infinite Crisis or just Infinite Crisis. THese are separate trades that are relaed, but aren't the same thing.

So when did they throw SB into Rao, because it didnt happen in Infinite Crisis.

Pretty sure it happened in Infinite Crisis #7. SB-Prime comes back from being held by the Flashes and then the two SUpermen take SB to the red sun.

 

[mego joe]

Correct me if I'm wrong, I may need to re-read it, but didn't it turn out that Superman had been psychologically repressing his powers?

I would have to go back and re-read it. It might have been a combination of the two however.

 

[mego joe]

^Well i have the Infinite Crisis graphic novel and its not in that. It is in another GN?

I have the original single issues and I know they changed some things for the collected edition, but I don't think they changed that. I think you have Superman: Infinite Crisis and just Infinite Crisis.

 

[Angeloz]

I would have to go back and re-read it. It might have been a combination of the two however.

You should read "Superman #668" because I've read Batman tells Superman what the deal is with red sun radiation. It's meant to be out now in the US I believe. Superman Homepage was down when I posted the above so couldn't easily check it.

Angeloz

 

[mego joe]

You should read "Superman #668" because I've read Batman tells Superman what the deal is with red sun radiation. It's meant to be out now in the US I believe. Superman Homepage was down when I posted the above so couldn't easily check it.

Angeloz

I read it yesterday, but I was refering specifically to the explanation in Up Up and Away.

 

[Angeloz]

I read it yesterday, but I was refering specifically to the explanation in Up Up and Away.

Rub it in why don't you? If I remember some of it ("Up, Up and Away") he got his powers back gradually in increments as he needed them. Also he didn't fly very well at first 'cos he didn't always land were he intended. I don't know enough on the past to comment on why he was so traumatised. I know Kon died plus others. So you know more than I about that. I also believe they tested him at a lab before he got his or felt his powers back.

Angeloz

 

[mego joe]

Well this is why i started the thread, to see if the people who disliked SR felt that UUAA would have made a better SR, with some obvious adjustments.

Undoubtedly.

 

[mego joe]

Rub it in why don't you? If I remember some of it ("Up, Up and Away") he got his powers back gradually in increments as he needed them. Also he didn't fly very well at first 'cos he didn't always land were he intended. I don't know enough on the past to comment on why he was so traumatised. I know Kon died plus others. So you know more than I about that. I also believe they tested him at a lab before he got his or felt his powers back.

Angeloz

See, you seem to remembe more details about Up Up and Away than I do. I remember him getting his powers back gradually, but I don't remember the full explanation.

Yeah, Kon-El's death and his whole experience with the old Earth-2 Superman and all the fallout from Sacrifice etc... created a lot of doubt and forced him to re-evaluate himself. Whether or not it was partly psychological repression I can't recall, but I can see how it would be. But it is fact that he flew SB Prime into the red sun for permanent imprisonment and if GL hadn't brought him back he would have died b/c he was in contact with the red sun radiation.

 

[dr collossus]

I think he genuinely lost his powers, but repressed them once they returned. Getting back to the point I was making, even though it was subconscious, he still essentially chose to keep Superman from the world.

 

[mego joe]

I think he genuinely lost his powers, but repressed them once they returned. Getting back to the point I was making, even though it was subconscious, he still essentially chose to keep Superman from the world.

If it was subconscious then it wasn't a choice. The subconscious operates independently of conscious thought and choice.

 

[dr collossus]

Not really. Technically, the sub-conscious is the parts of your brain that deal with body functions, like sending nerve impulses, keeping the heart beating etc. From a psychological perspective, the sub-conscious is just something you choose not to acknowledge. There is no hidden part of the mind that your conscious, self-aware self does not have access to.

 

[mego joe]

Not really. Technically, the sub-conscious is the parts of your brain that deal with body functions, like sending nerve impulses, keeping the heart beating etc.

That's autonomic functions, not subconscious.

From a psychological perspective, the sub-conscious is just something you choose not to acknowledge. There is no hidden part of the mind that your conscious, self-aware self does not have access to.

[/quote]

The sub-conscious operates below the level of consious action and thought, meaning that you might access it, but you do not do it actively, you cannot CHOOSE to do something sub-consciously. By defintion the sub-conscious operates below the level of conscious thought. It happens without a person being aware of it. A person can later become aware of it, but they cannot actively repress something.

 

[Angeloz]

Except if you get kissed by Superman.

I thought there were three areas that control your actions. Id, Ego and Super Ego. But could be wrong.

Angeloz

 

[mego joe]

Except if you get kissed by Superman.

I thought there were three areas that control your actions. Id, Ego and Super Ego. But could be wrong.

Angeloz

That Frued stuff is whacked. There's a lot more to psychology than Frued. You have behaviorism, physiological dysfunction etc...