Has Christian Bale Lost Steam?

They were both great in Yuma though.


This is true. I thought Crowe had a good performance in Body of Lies but the story didn't play out that well. His performance in American Gangster is also good. When he gained weight for the Insider that was one of my favorite roles from him.
 
The interrogation scene is one that belongs to Bale as much as Ledger.

You mean the scene people complain about cause they can't understand him?

:huh: It takes little to no acting for Batman to crash through a window and save Vicki Vale. That's why they pay stuntmen for that.

My point was that Batman stole back the spotlight. Something Batman did not do in TDK. In TDK he was like the 4th most memorable character after Joker, Gordon, and Dent. In `89 he was as memorable, if not more, than Joker. Like I also said earlier, the scene with Batman telling the mugger, "I'm Batman" is one of the iconic scenes of the genre.
 
In 89 it was really all about Nicholson and Keaton though. It wasn't like Vickie Vale or Bob were gonna steal the show.

In TDK they really focused on Harvey Dent's story. I think they always brought it back to bruce wayne though .
 
You mean the scene people complain about cause they can't understand him?



My point was that Batman stole back the spotlight. Something Batman did not do in TDK. In TDK he was like the 4th most memorable character after Joker, Gordon, and Dent. In `89 he was as memorable, if not more, than Joker. Like I also said earlier, the scene with Batman telling the mugger, "I'm Batman" is one of the iconic scenes of the genre.

Well, apparently you and I did not watch the same movie.:huh:

I liked Keaton's Batman, but compared to Bale, he was too laid back. Both Bale's Batman and Eckhart's Dent were as memorable as Ledger, imo.
 
The fact is that BALE IS BATMAN:brucebat: and no one else, as you will very well see him again behind cape and cowl for a third.:cwink:

No Bale is Bale, Batman is a fictional character. Besides, EVERYONE knows Adam West IS the one true Batman :woot:

.....oh, yes, Bale's voice is awesome and intimidating, just like Rorschach's.

Oh about that....JEH out Batmand Christian Bale. It's a fact.
 
Well if we're going to measure intensity by yelling incomprehensibly, then Darth Maul is a peace loving hippie?
 
My point was that Batman stole back the spotlight. Something Batman did not do in TDK. In TDK he was like the 4th most memorable character after Joker, Gordon, and Dent. In `89 he was as memorable, if not more, than Joker. Like I also said earlier, the scene with Batman telling the mugger, "I'm Batman" is one of the iconic scenes of the genre.
What other well developed, well acted characters were there in Batman '89? Bob the goon and Knox weren't exactly equivalent to Dent and Gordon.
 
No Bale is Bale, Batman is a fictional character.
^^Quoted for truth!

I hate when people say for example that Bale is Batman all that $h!t. He is Bale and he can handle much more roles very well and that's called diversity and Bale is good at it.

An actor who is considered to be someone he played means that he is only good at playing that one character for which he is appreciated for. And that sucks.
 
^ That is completely false. All it means is said role has touched a significant portion of the mass audience where the actor and character are forever associated. There are plenty of actors who have that one role they're known for, despite being great in other roles as well.

Brando/Vito, Ford/Indiana, Depp/Sparrow, Connery/Bond, Welles/Kane, Weaver/Ripley, Ledger/Joker, Hopkins/Hannibal, etc. etc.
 
That's how fanboys are. One day they love something and one day they don't. I remember a time when Superman was considered a classic. Now it's considered an old movie with bad visual effects, Gene Hackman playing a wacky Luthor, and a cringe-worthy romantic scene.

There is also another kind of fanboy that seems to desperately cling to his/her preconceived notions, putting their own 'classics' on a pedestal while poking holes in anything new and/or superior.

My thought on this was over-looked, so I'll post it again. Yes, Joker is a more in-your-face character. But good acting, directing, and writing can allow for Batman to steal back the spotlight. In the `89 movie, look at the scene where Joker is dancing to Prince and destroying paintings at the museum. Yeah...Joker had his moments on the spotlight but arguably the most memorable part of that scene is Batman crashing through the window to save Vicki Vale.

In B89, the Joker was written as a fairly typical comic book baddie, with a standard doomsday plot. In TDK, he was written as the ultimate nemesis, un unstoppable force with no arc, no single super-grand destructive scheme and whose sole purpose in the plot was not to kill, but to push people to their breaking points at which they abandon all moral standards.

In TDK, Batman never had a scene where he stole back the spotlight. The closest was him flipping that truck but that scene will be remembered as a truck flipping over as opposed to Batman flipping a truck.

You and I must have watched two very different films then. Batman stole the spotlight from the Joker a number of times. First, at the penthouse where he takes down the Joker's goons and causes the Joker to flee while saving both Harvey and Rachel. Then of course, is the cheer-worthy reveal of the Batpod and Batman flipping the truck (yes, it will always be remembered as Batman flipping the truck because obviously the truck didn't flip by itself). Another instance is where Batman foils The Joker's plan to deceive the SWAT into killing the clown hostages. You can also see defeat in Joker's face when Batman's faith in the people on the ferries turns out to be justified - "What were you trying to prove, that deep-down, everyone is as ugly as you? You are alone." And let's not forget, arguably the most memorable moment in the entire film was when Batman beats The Joker's ace in the hole by taking the blame to maintain Harvey's reputation. Though he became a criminal with this act of self-sacrificing altruism, he also simultaneously turned into the definitive heroic figure of the film.

As mentioned in countless reviews, like The Empire Strikes Back, one of the things that TDK will most be remembered for is its powerful ending. And in those final moments of the story, it was Batman who was the real star of the film.
 
Phaser, there was more to the 89 Joker than just your standard doomsday plot. It's surprising, not many people realize that Batman 89 is a satire of the yuppie days. The 89 Joker is the PERFECT villain for the 80s and 90s. He uses peoples greed and vanity against them with the make up plot and the cash give away.

And he seems to be motivated by a weird jealously of Batman. He wants to be the only "freak" in Gotham.
 
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Oh and speaking on the subject, every actor has periods of ups and downs in his career. I don't think this setback for Bale is a cause for concern about Bale's acting talent or career. After all, if this is what equates 'losing steam' for Bale, then I'd love to see the pro-Burton public in here admit that by the same logic, Keaton was already dead at a similar point in his career a long time ago. :funny:
 
Phaser, there was more to the 89 Joker than just your standard doomsday plot. It's surprising, not many people realize that Batman 89 is a satire. The 89 Joker is the PERFECT villain for the 80s and 90s. He uses peoples greed and vanity against them with the make up plot and the cash give away.

Just because the Joker exploited the greed and vanity of the people in his grand scheme does not make B89 a satire. Satire is way of ridiculing human vices by means of exaggeration, irony or sarcasm in a humorous way. There was nothing 'funny' about the Joker's plan to mass murder people by luring them in with promises of money.
 
I'd love to see the pro-Burton public in here admit that by the same logic, Keaton was already dead at a similar point in his career a long time ago. :funny:

Why would you laugh at Keaton's career being dead. I love Johny Dangerously. He's such a great comedy actor and those eyes and that smile. Fine, whatever, I have a man crush on Michael Keaton, I can admit that. My point is, don't laugh at his downfall. You heartless bastard
 
Why would you laugh at Keaton's career being dead. I love Johny Dangerously. He's such a great comedy actor and those eyes and that smile. Fine, whatever, I have a man crush on Michael Keaton, I can admit that. My point is, don't laugh at his downfall. You heartless bastard

I wasn't exactly laughing at Keaton's career, but rather the logic, reasoning and line of thought of those saying Bale has lost steam because he didn't set the world on fire in his last few films. Don't worry, no one can truly hate Keaton.
 
Do you guys not realize he is in public enemies next month with johnny depp and directed by michael mann? sorry but if starring in the dark knight and then the next year in terminator and public enemies is considered losing steam then sign me up.
 
Just because the Joker exploited the greed and vanity of the people in his grand scheme does not make B89 a satire. Satire is way of ridiculing human vices by means of exaggeration, irony or sarcasm in a humorous way. There was nothing 'funny' about the Joker's plan to mass murder people by luring them in with promises of money.

Satire doesn't HAVE to be humorous.

Burton comments on and ridicules the self absorbed and greedy yuppie culture of the 80s by using Joker as a villain who uses peoples self absorbed and greedy nature against them. That is satire.

"the purpose of satire is not primarily humour in itself so much as an attack on something of which the author strongly disapproves"
 

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