BvS Have you seen the movie multiple times? If yes, has your opinion changed?

[Jaxon]

I watched the film twice, and my rating remains unchanged based on viewings. It's been a steady 6 out of 10 for me.
The only thing that begins to erode how I feel about the movie is when I try to explain it to people, and the holes and the flaws just shine through as I explain to them the things they need to overlook to enjoy it.

Not hating on it, but I'm just stating my honest opinion. My children enjoyed it, so I'll still get it on Blu-Ray, and no doubt, have to watch it at least 10 more times. After that, I may hate it. That's most things, though.

What are the holes because the plot and character motivations seem very well explained.

 

[shauner111]

What are the holes because the plot and character motivations seem very well explained.

if you say so!

 

[shauner111]

Oh yeah while we're on the subject...Bane from TDKR..ha ha ha. 5'8"!?!! I thought these guys were serious actors? Lift some freakin' weights! Look at Tom Hardy's skinny arms when he delivers the line, "I've come to fulfill ra's al ghul's destiny."

That doesn't cut it for me. Just my opinion. Anyone who enjoys those movies and actors, more power to them. Enjoy. Prior to BvS, TDK was #1 for me!

I'm just stoked to see the first real intimidating, scary interpretation of Batman on screen! Batman gets up, pulls a knife out of his own chest, then growls and sinks the knife into the guy who stabbed him after first slamming him into the wall! Epic! Badass!

Who knew that height is something you can choose to work on!!

Lift some weights? Hardy was huge. And he didn't look 5'8'', they made him look over 6 feet. Height means nothing with movie magic. If those arms are skinny to you, then i don't know what to tell ya.

 

[wnjcwjkk]

Yeah I thought Bane was just as physically imposing and intimidating as he needed to be

 

[Jaxon]

if you say so!

Doesn't seem like you can answer my question

 

[Aquafinn90]

What are the holes because the plot and character motivations seem very well explained.

Yeah I've read a lot of articles that list these alleged "holes" and either A) The answers were all right there in the movie or B) they are minor nitpicks that you could pick apart in literally every movie ever. And I am someone that can't stand plot holes.

 

[Bwahaha!]

Yeah I've read a lot of articles that list these alleged "holes" and either A) The answers were all right there in the movie or B) they are minor nitpicks that you could pick apart in literally every movie ever. And I am someone that can't stand plot holes.

I saw the movie four times so far...loved it each viewing. It passed my "clock test," meaning I never once was tempted to look at my watch and see what time it was, which is what I do at movies when I get bored.

There was so much awesomeness in the film, it made me angry to see hate directed at BvS from critics.

Now, with a little time and hindsight, I can understsnd some of the flaws that were complained about. Like, what motivated Lois to go back for the kryptonite weapon? How could she know Doomsday was Kryptonian? My guess is the explanation got edited out and left on cutting room floor. I can't wait to see the director's 3 hr cut to find out if that was the case.

So yeah, the movie had flaws. But most CBMs do contain flaws and even plotholes yet few have been so loudly panned as BvS. It's really not fair but whatever. It's weird too, because each audience I saw it with had a great time together, clapping throughout and cheering. Just a great moviegoing experience. Afterward it felt disconnected to read the negativity here. But with a likely $900+ Million box office, it's a huge success for Warner and DC comics, regardless of naysayers. The DCEU is full steam ahead!

 

[Cats]

But with a likely $900+ Million box office, it's a huge success for Warner and DC comics, regardless of naysayers. The DCEU is full steam ahead!

With higher critic ratings I bet it would've gone beyond 1bil. I'm pretty sure those people who missed it are going to catch it on dvd or some other such place and wonder how it scored as low as it did.

 

[shauner111]

Doesn't seem like you can answer my question

You weren't asking me the question.

Batmans motivation for murdering Superman is because there might be a 1 percent chance he could kill everyone. A simple background check and convo would stop the fight before it happened.

Lex's motivation is that he's mad at God for not stopping his dad's abuse. So he becomes a psychotic person who is willing to kill anyone. He wants Batmans head because? He makes Batman believe that Supermans sending him letters because? Oh he wants batman to kill Superman...sooo what was he gonna do with Doomsday if Superman was killed like he wanted?

How did Lex and Batman plan to take out Superman the same night without talking to each other? Superman doesn't like Batman branding child molestors, so he tells him to stop, but let's those criminals with the kryptonite go free? He also lets Batman go free, when Bats just killed a bunch of people?

Batman puts a tracker on a truck so why did he have to chase it down in front of everyone, kill goons and try to destroy the truck? Just keep the tracker on the truck, then you'll know where it settles, then later break into the building as Batman. Why the batmobile chase?

Diana happens to be in Metropolis the week Doomsday is unleashed onto Batman and Superman?

Perry tells Lois they can't afford a bicycle nevermind a helicopter but when she says "it's not for work" he's like OK fine. Umm what?

Bats suddenly believes that Superman isn't a danger to the world because he loves somebody, ridiculous. Supes trusts this maniac in saving his mom which is even worse, even though there's a ticking clock and Superman can get there faster than Batman.

Government believes Superman is responsible for all the death in the African villages? Why?

The security system in the ship is the worst. Allows Lex access into everything, without hesitation.

Batman decides to lure Doomsday to Gotham to get a spear, umm it's easier and safer to fly to Gotham and bring the spear to Doomsday.

Superman dives in the water to get the spear when Lois could have got it while Superman made sure she doesn't drown, instead he face plants in the water like a moron. She has to drag his huge ass out.

Supes sacrifices his life for no reason at all by planting the spear into Doomsday when Wonder Woman could have done it, and done it better.

No proper motivations that are worth noting, holes everywhere.

 

[Aquafinn90]

I saw the movie four times so far...loved it each viewing. It passed my "clock test," meaning I never once was tempted to look at my watch and see what time it was, which is what I do at movies when I get bored.

There was so much awesomeness in the film, it made me angry to see hate directed at BvS from critics.

Now, with a little time and hindsight, I can understsnd some of the flaws that were complained about. Like, what motivated Lois to go back for the kryptonite weapon? How could she know Doomsday was Kryptonian? My guess is the explanation got edited out and left on cutting room floor. I can't wait to see the director's 3 hr cut to find out if that was the case.

I missed why Lois went back for the spear the first time around but caught it on my second. Immediately following WW's epic entrance saving Bats from the heat vision they show Lois who was watching. She saw DD shoot the heat vision and put two and two together, the very same way that Batman realized it was Kryptonian. It is however an easy shot to miss being that its directly after WW's entrance.

 

[Lily Adler]

Was she really that close to the battle? I can't remember now.

 

[Aquafinn90]

You weren't asking me the question.

Batmans motivation for murdering Superman is because there might be a 1 percent chance he could kill everyone. A simple background check and convo would stop the fight before it happened.

Lex's motivation is that he's mad at God for not stopping his dad's abuse. So he becomes a psychotic person who is willing to kill anyone. He wants Batmans head because? He makes Batman believe that Supermans sending him letters because? Oh he wants batman to kill Superman...sooo what was he gonna do with Doomsday if Superman was killed like he wanted?

How did Lex and Batman plan to take out Superman the same night without talking to each other? Superman doesn't like Batman branding child molestors, so he tells him to stop, but let's those criminals with the kryptonite go free? He also lets Batman go free, when Bats just killed a bunch of people?

Batman puts a tracker on a truck so why did he have to chase it down in front of everyone, kill goons and try to destroy the truck? Just keep the tracker on the truck, then you'll know where it settles, then later break into the building as Batman. Why the batmobile chase?

Diana happens to be in Metropolis the week Doomsday is unleashed onto Batman and Superman?

Perry tells Lois they can't afford a bicycle nevermind a helicopter but when she says "it's not for work" he's like OK fine. Umm what?

Bats suddenly believes that Superman isn't a danger to the world because he loves somebody, ridiculous. Supes trusts this maniac in saving his mom which is even worse, even though there's a ticking clock and Superman can get there faster than Batman.

Government believes Superman is responsible for all the death in the African villages? Why?

The security system in the ship is the worst. Allows Lex access into everything, without hesitation.

Batman decides to lure Doomsday to Gotham to get a spear, umm it's easier and safer to fly to Gotham and bring the spear to Doomsday.

Superman dives in the water to get the spear when Lois could have got it while Superman made sure she doesn't drown, instead he face plants in the water like a moron. She has to drag his huge ass out.

Supes sacrifices his life for no reason at all by planting the spear into Doomsday when Wonder Woman could have done it, and done it better.

No proper motivations that are worth noting, holes everywhere.

How would a background check have allowed Bruce to realize that Superman isn't out to kill everyone?

Lex doesn't want Batman's head, he tells Superman that in the hopes that Batman will kill Superman. DD was his plan B. Lex is always a step ahead. Additionally, it seemed to me that by using his own blood in DD he thought that he would be able to control it somehow. Snyder confirmed this as well. Granted I guess it could have been explained, by I don't see the need for that. It makes sense enough on its own.

I'll give you the one about Lex and Batman's plans somewhat conveniently lining up, but I think its a nitpick. Just about every movie has a convenience factor to it. I would hardly call this a hole. I don't think Superman at that point has any idea what Kryptonite even is. And he gives Batman his final warning in that very scene "consider this mercy"

Tracker on the truck- Plan B. Not a hole, a backup plan. See Lex Luthor.

Again I'll give this one about WW being in Metropolis being the convenience factor again. Nitpick however.

Perry obviously trusts Lois and knows that something must be very wrong. I always wondered if he didn't suspect that Clark was Superman. I don't see how this is a hole though.

As for the "Martha" moment. This is difference in opinion. I thought it was a stroke of brilliance to use that connection to instantly snap Batman out of his determination to kill Superman. It's in that moment that he realizes he's become the very thing he sought to put an end to, someone breaking the bond between a mother and her son. I loved it, totally bought it. Many didn't and that's okay. As for him trusting Batman to save his mother while he got to Lex at the ship, I thought that was a great moment between the two of them.

I don't think that the government believes Superman directly responsible for those deaths. More that him showing up caused those deaths indirectly. The African woman in the beginning of the movie says something to the effect of the African government showing up and killing villagers in a firefight after Superman showed up. I noticed that on a repeat viewing yesterday, but didn't catch exactly what she said. I'll have to pay more attention to that.

Lex used Zod's fingerprints to initially gain access to the ship, then somehow did a security override of sorts. It's not explained how, but I don't think its important nor is it hard to believe as Lex has a lot of resources, including technology to use at his disposal.

I mean Batman could have done that, but that would be risking leaving DD alone to jump back to Metropolis and continue wreaking havoc. The ports of Gotham were abandoned anyways.

For all this talk about Snyder getting the character of Superman wrong I find it funny that so many people are quick to say things like "He should have just let Lois go get the spear in the water" or "He should have given the spear to WW to kill DD" - Like Superman would do either of those things. Regardless the scene would have turned out exactly the same whether it was himself or Lois that got the spear.

Which brings us back to what I brought up earlier. Superman: "Here Wonder Woman, take this spear and kill DD with it while I stand by and watch."
k.

 

[Aquafinn90]

Was she really that close to the battle? I can't remember now.

Yeah. Because when she's drowning Superman hears her pounding on the concrete, and they show where she was. They also show their relative distance when Superman grabs the spear and flies to DD. She's not directly in the line of it, but close enough to see DD using heat vision

Maybe it would have been a bit more effective if she had said something to herself like "Heat vision....it must be Kryptonian...the spear!" if not a bit redundant as Batman and Alfred had just had that conversation.

 

[Bane Cook]

Yes my rating when up on the second viewing.

 

[Bwahaha!]

I missed why Lois went back for the spear the first time around but caught it on my second. Immediately following WW's epic entrance saving Bats from the heat vision they show Lois who was watching. She saw DD shoot the heat vision and put two and two together, the very same way that Batman realized it was Kryptonian. It is however an easy shot to miss being that its directly after WW's entrance.

Thanks so much for explaining that. And I love the explanation because I prefer subtle, indirect methods of storytelling versus getting beaten over the head with info.

Although I'm kinda embarrassed I didn't catch this myself and put two and two together after repeated viewings, haha. But to know Snyder could've and probably was thinking along these lines, means he just didn't let something fall through the cracks after being given about 3 yrs to make this film. Thumbs up!

 

[Bwahaha!]

Yeah. Because when she's drowning Superman hears her pounding on the concrete, and they show where she was. They also show their relative distance when Superman grabs the spear and flies to DD. She's not directly in the line of it, but close enough to see DD using heat vision

Maybe it would have been a bit more effective if she had said something to herself like "Heat vision....it must be Kryptonian...the spear!" if not a bit redundant as Batman and Alfred had just had that conversation.

Yeah, Lois could've just whispered "heat vision...?" and that would've been another good clue for moviegoers.

I also remember wondering how Superman flew while holding the kryptonite spear, and kept enough strength to stab DD twice...but I'm willing to swallow that in this universe it's possible. In other iterations, he'd have been paralyzed.

 

[Marvin]

Yeah, Lois could've just whispered "heat vision...?" and that would've been another good clue for moviegoers.

That probably would have helped.
Though for me, like batman assuming "she's with you", at this point it's not like people see creatures going toe to toe with superman(level) have all that many options as to what they can be outside of 'kryptonian'. Coming from 'that' ship along with heat vision...works for me.

I suppose she could have tried the color yellow, or a box of matches as well just to be sure.

 

[Aquafinn90]

Thanks so much for explaining that. And I love the explanation because I prefer subtle, indirect methods of storytelling versus getting beaten over the head with info.

Although I'm kinda embarrassed I didn't catch this myself and put two and two together after repeated viewings, haha. But to know Snyder could've and probably was thinking along these lines, means he just didn't let something fall through the cracks after being given about 3 yrs to make this film. Thumbs up!

Like I said, I missed it the first time myself. When I left the theater that was my one and ONLY problem with the movie. Caught it upon second viewing. It's easy to miss because viewers are so excited about WW's entrance. Just watch for it next time you see it. It's the same part where we see Lois trip as she's running in heels.

 

[Kanye West]

lmao

The amount of people who have to be spoonfed information is crazy.

There are no more plot holes in this movie than there are in almost every other superhero movie.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I only see it twice to see if it get better for me 2nd time. It just got worse. So vote no it's worse.

 

[Jaxon]

Batmans motivation for murdering Superman is because there might be a 1 percent chance he could kill everyone. A simple background check and convo would stop the fight before it happened.
.

Batman's motivation is with himself. He has come to realise that his whole life has amounted for nothing, the appearance of Superman who could clean up every criminal in 30 minutes if he wanted to, makes Batman feel redundant and worthless. Good people have gone bad, or died, and criminals never stop ("like weeds").
He uses Superman as a convenience for his perceived failures in life. Even if he were to kill Superman he wouldn't have achieved any satisfaction, that's why stopping at the death knell was easy for him, in his heart he knew it wasn't really the right thing to do. But getting in to your mid 40's, having a world where everything has turned to s*** in your life, will certainly lead anyone to act out.

 

[Kanye West]

Someone explain to me why a background check is suppose to solve batman's problem with him.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Someone explain to me why a background check is suppose to solve batman's problem with him.

So he know Superman has a mother named Martha.

 

[Kanye West]

So he know Superman has a mother named Martha.

but that reason alone isn't what stops the fight.

It's the combination of the name+ batman's realization that he's in the same place that the killed of their parents was+ lois jumping in.

"martha" just sets in motion.


Another example of people oversimplifying ****

 

[Doctor Octopus]

but that reason alone isn't what stops the fight.

It's the combination of the name+ batman's realization that he's in the same place that the killed of their parents was+ lois jumping in.

"martha" just sets in motion.


Another example of people oversimplifying ****

That is what stops fight. Superman have same mother name as Martha. It so stupid but that the real reason why it stops. Not anything to do with place where Bruce parents die.

Batman should have done investigation of Superman but Snyder make Batman too stupid to be proper Batman who would have done detective work like that. Affleck the worst movie Batman.