Heroes and "The Future"

[Matt]

Ryudoz brought this up in the "I Am Become Death," thread.

- The Future. Old, tired, plot device. Because in the end, it won't matter. The scene in Costa Verde (while it developed rather nicely, unfortunately causing the death of a young innocent--something no one wants to see) will be relatively meaningless unless the writers actually decide to suck it up and say "Here is the point where we can't actually change the future" a la Terminator 3 (love it or hate it, I loved the fact that there was the realization that Judgement Day was ALWAYS going to happen). Be it in this incarnation or another, the future will be bleak because of the heroes, and in the end the only way to stop it is to wipe them all out in some way shape or form.

Its a good point. Every season seems to follow the same formula. Peter or Hiro travels to the future, sees something horrible, they stop it, the next season the future is worse, repeat.

Anyone else think they should break from that formula just a bit?

 

[Primal Slayer]

I would have to say Yes and No. I love seeing the future heroes and has changed but they should change the whole "something bad happens in the future and you need to change it in the past".

 

[November Rain]

i kinda already had a thread open on this.

One theory was that any intervention actually made the future worse and that the company would then be seen as a good batch of people who noticed this.

Eventually it would lead to a decision to go back to season one and make sure the bomb did go off in new york as that would resort in the 'best' future.

Maybe in realising this, they will truly see themselves as heroes, or at least hiro/peter will.

it would even be funny to see a future hiro (the one seen in the first series) as an actual villain for wanting to change the course of the future for some of his own means, setting all these adventures into motion initially.

 

[Neptune]

I think they should. Also they shouldn't always have to save the entire world. There could be just some villains that want revenge, or a personal mission that needs to be completed or something.

 

[PLAS]

the way I see it:
anyone noticed that in season 1, it would take five years for all the events to unfold?, but by now, several months have passed, yet, the point in which all comes to head is in four years? like regardless of what happens, there is a preset time frame for a global event to take place and you've got people with abilities, which include time travel, running around the time stream, messing things up and trying to fix them

it could be the coming of "Urulu", however that turns out to be or something just as huge.

kinda puts things in perspective

 

[Gilpesh]

Heroes and the future is like House and his cane.

 

[RonStoppablefan]

Its called the ButterFly Affect. You can't change the future, it goes into some thing worse if you try. Peter or Hiro always has to learn it the hard way.

 

[nexgenpresident]

this is the whole T/3 judgement day thing i guess ... its gunna happen, and hiro and peter are the only ones you've seen it present and future so of course they look like wacko's to everyone else and in every new future (season1 through now) they are the rebels who are fighting against the world......but thas my take...

ps.

im now waiting for when in a couple seasons when a new time line were its utopia run by peters and hiros from different timelines ..lol and then thats when Urulu comes and stomps on that world and it ends with all the hiros collectively saying "oh $h!t" in japanese and the end credits run t:t:t:

 

[Ryudoz]

Its a good point. Every season seems to follow the same formula. Peter or Hiro travels to the future, sees something horrible, they stop it, the next season the future is worse, repeat.

Anyone else think they should break from that formula just a bit?

What's even worse is that both of them went to the future this season. Making it 2-2 in Future viewing (Hiro S1, Peter S2, Both S3). Let's hope that in Vol. 4 they make the trip together and combat their future selves in a massive battle of the bands-style smackdown to really shake things up.

/sarcasm

the way I see it:
anyone noticed that in season 1, it would take five years for all the events to unfold?, but by now, several months have passed, yet, the point in which all comes to head is in four years? like regardless of what happens, there is a preset time frame for a global event to take place and you've got people with abilities, which include time travel, running around the time stream, messing things up and trying to fix them

it could be the coming of "Urulu", however that turns out to be or something just as huge.

kinda puts things in perspective

You make a very astute observation, and a good point. It does seem that there is something special to the 5-yr timeframe from when the Heroes started popping up in S1. So that means there's something significant about that period. But I have a small problem with some of the Paradoxes (paradoxi?) they introduced, wondering if they're ever going to clean them up.

- Five Years Gone. Some people are alive where others are dead. New York City is a wasteland. And yet, Hiro gets the sword from his future self in a future that no longer exists.

- Poor poor Caitlin. Trapped in a future that no longer exists.

- Peter getting Sylar's ability. For now, that future exists, but should it be changed will/should Peter's acquisition of Sylar's ability be changed?

Just a couple thoughts.

P.S. Thanks Matt for the quote.

 

[uchiha_itachi]

Urulu? who/what is that?

 

[Gilpesh]

Urulu? who/what is that?

In the good old days, back when Heroes made sense and seemed to actually be building to something that they had planned out all along... there was this demon like thing called Urulu and it was seeded throughout season one in the most random of places... like the symbol.

Hey, remember the symbol everyone? Remember when not only did you think it was all going to come together, it actually looked that way also with those little hints or nods with the symbol or something in the background... sigh

 

[Ryudoz]

In the good old days, back when Heroes made sense and seemed to actually be building to something that they had planned out all along... there was this demon like thing called Urulu and it was seeded throughout season one in the most random of places... like the symbol.

Hey, remember the symbol everyone? Remember when not only did you think it was all going to come together, it actually looked that way also with those little hints or nods with the symbol or something in the background... sigh

Indeed. There has been an apparent lack of the "symbol" this season, and even in Vol. 2 I can only remember it appearing on the necklace that the Haitian gave to Peter and that Peter's Tatoo changed to it before it disappeared.

 

[Gilpesh]

Indeed. There has been an apparent lack of the "symbol" this season, and even in Vol. 2 I can only remember it appearing on the necklace that the Haitian gave to Peter and that Peter's Tatoo changed to it before it disappeared.

So far the Heroeswiki only has one appearance of the symbol in season three... the explosion in the earth on that painting... and that's only one episode.

 

[Koz]

Urulu? who/what is that?

It's Uluru, not Urulu. Anyway, there's more information on Uluru's appearances here: http://heroeswiki.com/Uluru

 

[The Apocalypse]

It's Uluru, not Urulu. Anyway, there's more information on Uluru's appearances here: http://heroeswiki.com/Uluru

I remember the giant rock monster. Cause...that'll work for heroes if that thing showed up.

 

[Gilpesh]

I remember the giant rock monster. Cause...that'll work for heroes if that thing showed up.

Well, it seemed like it was just a metaphor for something that was a huge threat that not even Isaac could see clearly... well, this probably goes into the EPIC FAIL column for the writers...

 

[mfbtl]

- Peter getting Sylar's ability. For now, that future exists, but should it be changed will/should Peter's acquisition of Sylar's ability be changed?

Keeping in mind people that I am not a master of the 4th dimensional arts. Changing the future should not change ones past experiences. Anyways Peter has always had the ability; just not the know how to use it properly. (He probably had no clue what Sylar's ability was to begin with)

 

[SuperT]

Well, it seemed like it was just a metaphor for something that was a huge threat that not even Isaac could see clearly... well, this probably goes into the EPIC FAIL column for the writers...

And how do you know this Uluru metaphor isn't going to pop up in the future?

Uluru could already be a metaphor for a lot of things that have already happened in the Heroesverse. Actually, in this past weeks BTE the writers stated that Uluru would be touched upon this season AND the symbol would finally be explained, along with the importance of the popular Heroes symbol - the eclipse.

 

[Gilpesh]

We already know how the boogeyman played out... so I doubt Uluru is going to go better.

 

[Ion Kenshin]

im assuming u mean nightmare man and if so what were you expecting from it?

 

[Gilpesh]

im assuming u mean nightmare man and if so what were you expecting from it?

Whoops...

I knew I messed up...


But. The way Molly said it and the way it was played out in that scene... I was expecting it to be an epic storyline about a new villain that wasn't just misunderstood like Sylar but an actual evil for the sake of it villain.

 

[Ion Kenshin]

i hear ya but i dont consider Maury to be misunderstood...i consider him to be evil. Also you have to realize that Molly, a child, labeled him the nightmare man. For kids a bad dream is always worse than it actually is. depeding on what he would show here that very well could have been some of the scariest things she has ever seen....aside from her parents being killed that is.

 

[Gilpesh]

Yeah, that's what made me expect much worse... because Molly had her family killed in front of her by Sylar... and STILL thought Maury was worse. And him turning out to be a puppet ruined the evil to be evil angle.

 

[Ion Kenshin]

and sadly you would be in the minority. i constantly see people complain about how people are just evil with no reason. why is it necessary.... i too would rather some people just be evil because they want to be not because someone crossed them or something to that effect. Its one of the things that annoys me about Sam Raimi. let villains just be villains for once not some victim of circumstance.

 

[PLAS]

and sadly you would be in the minority. i constantly see people complain about how people are just evil with no reason. why is it necessary.... i too would rather some people just be evil because they want to be not because someone crossed them or something to that effect. Its one of the things that annoys me about Sam Raimi. let villains just be villains for once not some victim of circumstance.

I don't know, but the whole "I'm evil just because I'm evil" feels like sophomoric writing, it worked for me back when I was a kid and Mum-Rah just wanted to destroy the Thundercats, and now I expect something which goes beyond that

one of the things that made me fall in love with this show was how well planted on reality it was, the whole "what if you woke up with powers" thing, and it's been doing a great job at it, in my opinion, however valid it is (although, lately, if your opinion differs from the normal "this show sucks now and I'm not watching it anymore" stops being valid).

I dunno, but I'd rather have questionable characters with questionable motives than just the oversimplified black and white approach a lot of people seem to want

if you want your Heroes to be pure and true and your Villains to be just evil and bent on destruction, go and watch any of the many power rangers shows out there