High School=hell

[CelticPredator]

It's important in an educational way. I know there are things that we'll never use again, but I do think it's important to learn in many areas. Just so we at least know we learned it. But socially? It doesn't mean anything. It's hard being that age and seeing that or making the choice to do something about it. Which are kind of the problems. I can't blame them though. The thing is people are worried what others will think of them. It's simple to just say "**** them" but it's harder than that. That's why being a teenager is ****ing difficult. You have all of them thrown in with eachother and the way society works, it's not good.

The best thing you learn from High School is to be social. That's what you get from High School.

S'all I got.

 

[PyroChamber]

Like I've said, college is just a new, different kind of hell.

I would say that depends on where you go, after college is when the real hell begins.

 

[The Question]

It's important in an educational way. I know there are things that we'll never use again, but I do think it's important to learn in many areas. Just so we at least know we learned it. But socially? It doesn't mean anything. It's hard being that age and seeing that or making the choice to do something about it. Which are kind of the problems. I can't blame them though. The thing is people are worried what others will think of them. It's simple to just say "**** them" but it's harder than that. That's why being a teenager is ****ing difficult. You have all of them thrown in with eachother and the way society works, it's not good.

But it really isn't important in an educational way. High School is not helpful in getting a good education, it's a hinderence. It's designed in a way that works against the way humans are wired to learn naturally. And it's toxic social environment isn't a seperate problem, it's another symptom of the terrible system that's in place, as the way people are grouped runs counter to the way were are wired to socialize naturally. And socialization is a vital aspect of the natural learning process, so when the way school deals with Education and Socialization works against the way we are built to do those things, then both of those things are hurt even more because they are two aspects of our behavior and development that rely on each other to function.

High School, as it is in most of the world, is completely useless and actively harmful.

 

[CelticPredator]

^ Someone wasnt a popular kid....

 

[The Question]

^ Someone wasnt a popular kid....

What?

Why would you assume that based on me thinking that High School is an ineffective and harmful way of educating people?

 

[Knight Rise]

im in high school and ive got a very strong sense of humor so that always saves me

 

[CelticPredator]

What?

Why would you assume that based on me thinking that High School is an ineffective and harmful way of educating people?

Everything you said suggests you had a bad time....

 

[Knight Rise]

Everything you said suggests you had a bad time....

pretty much, i mean if you complain about high school, you didnt grab it by the balls. im not saying that in a bad way but seriously, theres nothing stopping you from having a good time

 

[Ponyboy]

I would say that depends on where you go, after college is when the real hell begins.

I had a fairly good time in high school (we say college) because I was focused on my grades. When I got to college (we say university) I was still pulling in solid marks, but I had way more fun. The responsibility is totally on you, and you don't have your teachers holding your hand. It's less pressure, in that sense, for folks that can do well without sweating

 

[The Question]

Everything you said suggests you had a bad time....

No, everything I said suggests that High School is a bad time. It's a broken educational system built upon completely unscientific ideas about how learning and sociualization work.

pretty much, i mean if you complain about high school, you didnt grab it by the balls. im not saying that in a bad way but seriously, theres nothing stopping you from having a good time

I'm not talking about having a good time. I'm talking about how helpful and practical the system is in terms of education and allowing for positive development. Which is not at all. Sure, a person can learn to deal with the unpleasantries of high school, but none of them are a necessary fact of life you simply have to deal with. They're symptoms of a broken system that we as a society have convinced ourselves we need based on bad science. We believe that kids need to be forced to learn and need to be controlled and groomed into adults and need to be grouped by age and skill level for the benefit of their development. None of these things are true and acting as if they are gets in the way of a person's ability to learn and grow.

 

[Knight Rise]

I'm not talking about having a good time. I'm talking about how helpful and practical the system is in terms of education and allowing for positive development. Which is not at all.

well, then your high school is the complete opposite of mine. dont act like they're all the same

 

[The Question]

well, then your high school is the complete opposite of mine. dont act like they're all the same

Well, what was yours like?

The way it looks to me, they are all the same. They're all built on the idea that people need to be made to learn and that people need to be fed a broad list of topics and fields so they'll be prepared for when they finally decide what they want to do with their lives whatever that is and that young people need to be controlled and directed. And all of these ideas aren't based on any hard science and are the exact opposite of how we learn and socialize naturally. Human beings are naturally curious. Young childen constantly want to know about everything. We are wired to learn through immersion, through experience, through trial and error, and through socialization. To follow our own interests and learn through activity. And if you leave someone to their own devices in an environment with academic resources, they will learn. That's how we function cognatively. We can't not do it. That natural curiosity only goes away because academic institutions condition it out of people from a young age by telling them that they can't learn what they want to right now, they have to do what the class is doing. That destroys creativity and curiosity more than it does anything else. No matter how well funded and organized they are they're still built upon fundamentally flawed concepts.

 

[Orb]

Agree with Knight Rise. My highschool is pretty awesome at both educational wise and social wise. It has my favourite teacher of all time and his plans and technique is very effective. Hell the school it's probably one of the cleanest at my area. Nothing like your stereotypical high school like you guys describe.

 

[Knight Rise]

Well, what was yours like? Because, the way it looks to me, theyare all the same. They're all built on the idea that people need to be made to learn and that people need to be fed a broad list of topics and fields so they'll be prepared for when they finally decide what they want to do with their lives whatever that is and that young people need to be controlled and directed. And all of these ideas aren't based on any hard science and are the exact opposite of how we learn and socialize naturally.

Lets see:

-teachers who actually are fun
-exciting class projects that actually feel like you could be doing what your dream is
-we actually gather the news outside in the world and toy with it for fun and use it for social and intellectual purposes

plenty more and that bolded part? no, your high school or town must've sheltered everyone

 

[The Question]

Lets see:

-teachers who actually are fun
-exciting class projects that actually feel like you could be doing what your dream is
-we actually gather the news outside in the world and toy with it for fun and use it for social and intellectual purposes

plenty more and that bolded part? no, your high school or town must've sheltered everyone

No, the bolded part is true:

The idea that people need to be made to learn has no scientific basis. People learned for hundreds of thousands of years without anyone making them do it. We are hard wired with a natural curiosity from birth. Making kids set asside what they're interested in to focus on what the class is doing, that squashes that curiosity more than anything else.

The idea that people need to be made to learn a wide range of topics so they will be prepared for whatever they do later in life has no scientific basis. Giving people free reign to experiment with what interests them from an early age gives them a head start on figuring out what they want to do with their lives more than anything else. And as someone finds what they're truly passionate about and is allowed to explore it fully, they will learn whatever they need to to do it. We don't need to be taught Math, Science, English, History, and a language in order to prepare us for whatever job we might get. If we're allowed to fool around with what we want in a relatively safe environment, then we will pick up the skills to do it professionally later on in life naturally. And even if what you want to do when your 15 isn't what you want to do when your 30, learning like that gets you in the mindset of "Want to do something, do what it takes to do it well."

The idea that young people need to be controlled and directed has no scientific basis. People don't learn rsponsibility and disciplin from being told what to do, they learn it from being left to their own devices and dealing with the consequences of being irrisponsible and undisciplined. Kids need to be supervised in a relatively safe environment so that they can deal with these consequences without potentially ruining their lives, but kids and teens do not need to be told what to do nearly as much as they are.

These are basic flaws of every school, regardless of how nice the programs are.

 

[Knight Rise]

ok so you want a school that has no rules. only one problem: THATS NOT SCHOOL

 

[The Question]

ok so you want a school that has no rules. only one problem: THATS NOT SCHOOL

Not no rules, just sensible rules. The kind of rules we have in larger society. Don't steal. Don't do damage to property. Don't infringe on the rights of others. Rules like that. But as an academic institution, it is designed to work with the way human beings learn naturally, not against. There are academic resources everywhere, but no one is forced to learn anything and is free to spend their time as they wish in a social environment.

It may not be school as we define it, but school as we define it, at least in K-12 where it's cumpolsory for all citizens, is a bad idea.

 

[Call Me Darkman]

after college is when the real hell begins.

I agree. You really appreciate school once you leave it. Being a teenager and having virtually no real responsibility is a highlight of your life. Once you're an adult and have to pay bills and have others relying on you, that's when the real pressure begins. And especially in this current economic climate.

 

[Ponyboy]

I have always had this idea that American high school is like the movie Lucas.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

If I could go back in time I would tell myself to ''Leave''.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Well my experiences in college have left me more bitter and cynical. On Thursday I got invited to an on campus party only to get kicked out by the professor before said party even started. I don't have a girl and zero respect. I failed 3 classes and I tried registering online for this fall and the stupid thing won't let me retake the two classes I know I failed. There's so much other s*** going on there too.

Why are your stories always so depressing?

I'm sorry for your problems. I hope you don't give up.

At the college I'm going to, I don't know anybody from my school who is going there. This is a good thing. While it may be nerve wracking, everybody is in the same boat as you. Most likely nobody knows anybody. So it gives everyone the opportunity to meet new people. Plus I could reinvent myself if I wanted to.

Yeah, I did hear, that sometimes at college it's no different, but I got advice of making friends quickly. That's pretty easy for me to do anyway.

Living on campus should be weird at first but freeing as time goes on. I just don't want to stay in Rochester all my life. Most people I talk to are going to MCC for two years. I don't want to leave high school and see most people I saw from high school in college.

A clean slate should be nice. I just want to feel progression in my life. High school has gone by fast but when you think about it, day after day of all that ****. And at some point where you didn't even know you were more naive, it is slow. I like my class and all. I have no problems with them. It's just I'm not going to care what they do in their lives. I hope they'll be happy, but I don't really give a ****. I need to look out for me now and make something of myself.

Rochester, New York? I'm sorry.

A clean slate is all I needed. After a year of college, I hung out with my high school friends this weekend and I'm still close to them. They also told me that they liked that I've become much more confident after a year of college. All the problems that plagued me in high school and middle school stayed there.

Middle school was worse than high school and college combined.

This. Middle School was worse than high school.

I won't say I had a terrible high school experience, but it just wasn't memorable at all. It was a stepping stone more or less.

I agree. You really appreciate school once you leave it. Being a teenager and having virtually no real responsibility is a highlight of your life. Once you're an adult and have to pay bills and have others relying on you, that's when the real pressure begins. And especially in this current economic climate.

I know after college is going to suck. I'm going to be $24,000 in debt, but I just pay $200 a month for 10 years since it's government loans.

 

[ObakeTora]

I know I must be a strong person because the events that happened during my high school period didn't leave me hanging against a noose in my garage. I attended the same high school as Stacy Ferguson of the Black Eyed Peas, though we rarely ever interacted.

As a kid I had several factors to endure; a recovering violent alcoholic father with amnesia, a neurotic bible thumping mother (also with amnesia) two older sisters (10 and 12 years apart) bullies, gangs, and ghosts. How is it that I don't live in a mental hospital today is beyond me!!

I hated my school. I usually lie to people and tell them I went somewhere else, as high school was a dark chapter in my life I would have been better off never having to experience. I guess if the apocolypse happened today all I would have to do is conjure up some memory from that God forsaken place to replace fear with anger.

No disrespect to the ones who love high school, I will never know what that feels like, although I beleive the rate of serial killers would decline significantly if they didn't make everyone go to that ****.

 

[Brother Jack]

I won't say I had a terrible high school experience, but it just wasn't memorable at all. It was a stepping stone more or less.

That's pretty much how I see it. It feels like the entire time I was there I was only counting down until I was able to leave, and once I did the world kind of opened up and my life began proper. I had good and bad times during sure, but it was all very... temporary. This is evidenced by how quickly I lost touch with the majority of people I went to high school went.

 

[Dark Victory]

I graduated junior year earlier this week, one more left for me! I still remember posting here before my first day of freshman year.

 

[Hobgoblin]

I would say that depends on where you go, after college is when the real hell begins.

I went to two different schools. The small private school was the worst but the big university wasnt great either.