Hooray for Orthodox jews!!

[Super_Ludacris]

Well ok maybe this sarcastic thread was uncalled for but then again it isnt first time I've seen a thread attacking a religon viciously with sarcasm about a storypiece (Celldog's infamous "Score one for the religon of "Peace" " threas on Islam). So if he aint been banned for that I dont think this dude should.

But yeah Israel is messing up on a world scale, there are simply way too many civillan casualites cause by them. Where are your famous smart bombs and special Isareli ops units that just go in and take em out?

 

[hippie_hunter]

It's funny how Hezbollah, the obvious terrorist, have killed more soilders than civilians in this war compared to Israel.

So far 51 Israelis have died...18 are civilians. You do the math!

Think of all the civilians Hezbollah is responsible for killing before the military action that is going on right now. Think about the US Marine barracks that they attacked in the 1980's even though those Marines were peacekeepers. Or how they supported Syria's illegal occupation of Lebanon. Or how they bombed our embassy in Lebanon. Or how they have the support of nations such as Iran and Syria which have regimes that cannot be trusted. Or the fact that "political parties" such as Hezbollah and Hamas should not have private armies.

I'm not supporting Israel's actions because yes they have gone way too far. But the fact that denying that Hezbollah is not the obvious terrorist is lunacy.

 

[Superman4ever]

The main reason is not the Zionist, it's the people who want to wipe it off of the face of the Earth.
The Israelites were there before Islam was even a thought in anyone's mind, and they have a claim to their land. They don't want to take over Lebanon, just expel the Syrians.

And it becomes all to clear! You are SERIOUSLY confused as to what's going on...I don't even know where to begin with this one!

 

[hippie_hunter]

The main reason is not the Zionist, it's the people who want to wipe it off of the face of the Earth.
The Israelites were there before Islam was even a thought in anyone's mind, and they have a claim to their land. They don't want to take over Lebanon, just expel the Syrians.

Religion in general is the main reason why this conflict cannot be solved. The land is not only holy to the Jews but also to the Muslims and Christians. Also Syria left Lebanon a year ago, the point of the operation is to destroy Hezbollah, which Israel does have the right to do. It's just that Israel's actions to do so have gone too far.

 

[Speedball]

Speedball, you're talking about ancient history.

Besides, when the Muslims controlled the land around the 600 AD era, Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived in peace with each other there.

Yeah they did, until the Muslim's began to invaded Spain and Turkey.
Which caused The Christians to feel threatened and we invaded back (The Crusades). In a large part, it's the Europeans fault the world is the ways it is.
If not for Hitler, the jewish faith would not have to retreat to Israel, causing this huge mess.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah they did, until the Muslim's began to invaded Spain and Turkey.
Which caused The Christians to feel threatened and we invaded back (The Crusades). In a large part, it's the Europeans fault the world is the ways it is.
If not for Hitler, the jewish faith would not have to retreat to Israel, causing this huge mess.

The Zionist movement was already gaining ground before Hitler, all Hitler did was speed the process up by decades.

 

[Superman4ever]

Think of all the civilians Hezbollah is responsible for killing before the military action that is going on right now. Think about the US Marine barracks that they attacked in the 1980's even though those Marines were peacekeepers. Or how they supported Syria's illegal occupation of Lebanon. Or how they bombed our embassy in Lebanon. Or how they have the support of nations such as Iran and Syria which have regimes that cannot be trusted. Or the fact that "political parties" such as Hezbollah and Hamas should not have private armies.

I'm not supporting Israel's actions because yes they have gone way too far. But the fact that denying that Hezbollah is not the obvious terrorist is lunacy.

I called them terrorist...I can't stand Hamas or Hezollah. I stated that they were obvious, i.e. in the media as being terrorists. But Israel has killed countless civilians and destroyed countless more prior to this war and NO ONE does anything about it accept restock their artillery. It's not fair or right!

What about Israel's attack on the USS Liberty: http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/04/23/liberty.attack/

What about Qana TODAY, 60-plus children, women and elderly have been killed? NO evidence of Hezbollah rockets.

 

[kainedamo]

Think of all the civilians Hezbollah is responsible for killing before the military action that is going on right now.

13 soldiers and 7 civilians in the last 6 years.

 

[JLBats]

By the way, I love this thread title.

 

[Superman4ever]

Yeah they did, until the Muslim's began to invaded Spain and Turkey.
Which caused The Christians to feel threatened and we invaded back (The Crusades). In a large part, it's the Europeans fault the world is the ways it is.
If not for Hitler, the jewish faith would not have to retreat to Israel, causing this huge mess.

When the Muslims took over Spain, Jews had more freedom and prosperity then ANY other time, including now, in their history. They call it the "golden era". It was the Christians that persecuted the Jews.

http://www.answers.com/topic/golden-age-of-jewish-culture-in-spain

 

[Super_Ludacris]

I think from a very basic position, Israel should know better on how to get those prisoners without creating something that in the end is going overwhelm and jerpodise there own home turf. But I guess in that region neither side (Israel and the terrorist groups) give a **** are just overwhelmed by overemotional hatred for the other side. The ideology of Zionisim and Islamic extremisim are too rooted on opposing sides, to the point where unjustifing each other attacks cannot take place. What makes more ironic is the scarce similarity that both sides have towards the other and lack of remorse in that region (it's not a muslim thing, it's not a jewish thing, it's a regional thing).

 

[hippie_hunter]

13 soldiers and 7 civilians in the last 6 years.

They killed more than that. They also assassinated a Lebanese government official in that time frame. They also funded and supported various terrorist attacks despite not being directly involved. And they killed alot more before your six year time frame. I seem to recall that the attacks in 1983 killed over 300 people.

 

[Superman4ever]

They killed more than that. They also assassinated a Lebanese government official in that time frame. They also funded and supported various terrorist attacks despite not being directly involved. And they killed alot more before your six year time frame. I seem to recall that the attacks in 1983 killed over 300 people.

He was talking about in the 6 years from Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon. I'm still looking for numbers, though. BTW, which goverment official are you talking about? I was under the impression that Syria was the one to blame, because of said officials hard stance against the Syrian army's presence in Lebanon.

 

[hippie_hunter]

He was talking about in the 6 years from Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon. I'm still looking for numbers, though. BTW, which goverment official are you talking about? I was under the impression that Syria was the one to blame, because of said officials hard stance against the Syrian army's presence in Lebanon.

An assassination that occured in 2000, a military official. Not the official that triggered the Cedar Revolution.

 

[kainedamo]

I don't even consider Hezbollah terrorists. They're more like militia. They are part of the Lebanon population, the Lebanon population back them, the Lebanon population voted them into government seats.

What is a terrorist? People seem to forget to ask that questions these days. It's not as simple a question as it first seems. Is a terrorist someone that kills innocent civilians? Innocent people have died in every war there ever was. If we measure terrorism by innocent lives, then Israel are the true terrorists. Do we measure terrorism by motives? If you listen to the likes of fox news, Hezbollah won't settle for anything less than the total destruction of Israel. If you ask other people, their aim is to simply fight Israeli occupation and to defend their nation.

The second motive... nothing wrong with it at all.

All the media buzzwords, and the throwing around of the word "terrorist" has tricked even people that don't agree with Israel into thinking Hezbollah are evil. Israel wants hezbollah to disarm... but why the hell should they?

87% of Lebanon are in support of Hezbollah.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't even consider Hezbollah terrorists. They're more like militia. They are part of the Lebanon population, the Lebanon population back them, the Lebanon population voted them into government seats.

What is a terrorist? People seem to forget to ask that questions these days. It's not as simple a question as it first seems. Is a terrorist someone that kills innocent civilians? Innocent people have died in every war there ever was. If we measure terrorism by innocent lives, then Israel are the true terrorists. Do we measure terrorism by motives? If you listen to the likes of fox news, Hezbollah won't settle for anything less than the total destruction of Israel. If you ask other people, their aim is to simply fight Israeli occupation and to defend their nation.

The second motive... nothing wrong with it at all.

All the media buzzwords, and the throwing around of the word "terrorist" has tricked even people that don't agree with Israel into thinking Hezbollah are evil. Israel wants hezbollah to disarm... but why the hell should they?

87% of Lebanon are in support of Hezbollah.

A militia does not have a political wing and they do not support suicide bombings. A militia would not get considered a terrorist group by the United States, Canada, and many other countries.

Hezbollah gained popularity because they were the most active resistance against the Israelis when Israel invaded their country. Of course they are going to be popular there.

Hezbollah shares much of the same views as Iran does, which does include the destruction of Israel.

Let me tell you something, neither side. Be Hamas and Hezbollah, the Palestinians, or the Israelis. None of them deserve any support. They all brought this upon themselves. Thats the cold hard truth.

The reason why you don't see Hezbollah as a terrorist organization is because you are on the anti-Zionist side.

 

[Superman4ever]

A militia does not have a political wing and they do not support suicide bombings. A militia would not get considered a terrorist group by the United States, Canada, and many other countries.

Really?

Arrested were two white males, Timothy McVeigh and his cohort, Terry Nichols, both veterans of Operation Desert Storm, both connected to the Michigan armed militia. They are now standing trial in Denver.

Were they not terrorists?

http://www.pww.org/archives96/96-08-03-2.html

What about some of these guys?

http://animalliberationfront.com/News/2005_8/TerrorRight.htm

 

[bored]

I'm a Reform Jew who finds Zionism misguided. Am I special?

 

[Erundur]

no matter what bored does, he's always considered special

 

[bored]

Hoorays.

 

[Superman4ever]

I'm a Reform Jew who finds Zionism misguided. Am I special?

You're Ace in my book my friend...no matter what!

(it's the orbits gum girl...I couldn't find anything else )

 

[hippie_hunter]

Really?




Were they not terrorists?

http://www.pww.org/archives96/96-08-03-2.html

What about some of these guys?

http://animalliberationfront.com/News/2005_8/TerrorRight.htm

I consider them to be terrorists too, but Michigan has an armed militia

 

[hippie_hunter]

You're Ace in my book my friend...no matter what!

(it's the orbits gum girl...I couldn't find anything else )

I never pictured her to have such nice boobs

 

[bored]

You're Ace in my book my friend...no matter what!

(it's the orbits gum girl...I couldn't find anything else )

Fabulous.