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[blueharvest]

The Ho-Hum Box Office of Kevin Costner’s ‘Horizon’ Carries a Message: Don’t Turn Movies Into Television

There's hubris in Kevin Costner expecting moviegoers to show up for what is essentially a miniseries with the first part of his 'Horizon' Western.

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[antsman41]

It may be due to the runtime, yet also Costner’s style… but I’m still thinking about the little humanistic moments he let his camera capture between two people (or on their own) in every section of Horizon - Chapter 1.

Marvel isn’t doing that, Star Wars only did with TLJ/Andor… it’s nice to see in more blockbuster fair.

The 80’s and early 90’s was excellent at this.

Of course… Matt with The Batman and Apes did this as well.

 

[Luigi]

Bloated and overlong but at the end of it I was like

Give me the next three chapters.

 

[Filmfreak]

I'm the weird one and I'm of the opinion that if someone loves the genre and is prepared that they're going to binge three movie budget TV episodes in cinema, they're going to have a good time, because this is quality filmmaking.

But its structure is definitely weird and it certainly poses problems even if you approach it like that, so I can absolutely understand why many people had a hard time with this. Personally I didn't take issue with it for the most part and I have to say even though it was incredibly slow with very few plot developments, I wasn't bored at all and it felt shorter to me than it actually was. The lack of focus and way too many characters introduced I can live with, my biggest issue was that most of the main ones were still underdeveloped because of that.

But again, I liked the set up a lot and I'm surely invested for whatever is to come. Hopefully the next one(s) will be juicier and will refrain from Chapter 1's issues.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[DarkKnight88]

I understand the reasoning. But are they expecting this to take off at home ala Austin Powers 1 or John Wick 1 where the sequel will suddenly explode at the box office?

 

[Kane52630]

Saw that coming a mile away.

They'll probably wait and let part 1 show up on a streamer before they decide on a date.

 

[psylockolussus]

In the first place, I don't know why they wanted to release both films so close to each other.... in the cinema$$$.

Based from the box office, it looks like, not a lot of people watched the first film as well. This seemed like a gamble and I'm not surprised, that it flopped and the second film is delayed.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Filmfreak]

It was an idiotic release tactic anyway. I hope I won't forget everything by the time Chapter 2 is released though.

 

[Cap2024]

I understand the reasoning. But are they expecting this to take off at home ala Austin Powers 1 or John Wick 1 where the sequel will suddenly explode at the box office?

Adding: just saw the last part. No, you’re right - it won’t “explode” at the box office. Chances are only slightly bringing in more which for them at this point is way better than the alternative.

This isn’t so different from Yellowstone. Thus, it will probably have a Yellowstone type following at home.

Due to that it could be said it’s more likely to take off at home than in theaters due to its target demographic; if I was to guess 50+.

It’s all about finding a way to connect with and hook that audience before going from there.

It’ll probably be February. October seems too soon due to postponing it. Their prime demographic won’t just venture out in the snow for it. Thus, sometime soon after winter likely.

 

[Luigi]

 

[Cap2024]

I'm the weird one and I'm of the opinion that if someone loves the genre and is prepared that they're going to binge three movie budget TV episodes in cinema, they're going to have a good time, because this is quality filmmaking.

But its structure is definitely weird and it certainly poses problems even if you approach it like that, so I can absolutely understand why many people had a hard time with this. Personally I didn't take issue with it for the most part and I have to say even though it was incredibly slow with very few plot developments, I wasn't bored at all and it felt shorter to me than it actually was. The lack of focus and way too many characters introduced I can live with, my biggest issue was that most of the main ones were still underdeveloped because of that.

But again, I liked the set up a lot and I'm surely invested for whatever is to come. Hopefully the next one(s) will be juicier and will refrain from Chapter 1's issues.

This was my take from it too.

As three hour-long episodes, it's definitely engaging and kept my interest.

There were flaws in it for sure, but I felt like if it was the first three episodes of a TV show - it definitely did its job better than many other shows do. I'm excited to see where it goes next. I'm just really hoping he didn't show most of the next film at the end.

Costner also whether intentionally or not definitely approached it like three different episodes. There is a very clear beginning, middle, and end. Each of which is approximately an hour long and each had basically its own goals, conflicts, and stakes.

That being said, taken on its merits as a film - it's really odd structurally and not surprising why it got the reviews it did.

 

[:eek:]

‘Horizon: An American Saga-Chapter Two’ To Premiere In Venice

'Horizon: An American Saga-Chapter Two' To Premiere Venice

deadline.com

 

[lespaul59]

I love this movie but the 4K pre order being $50 sucks.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[:eek:]

Critics Rip Kevin Costner’s ‘Horizon Chapter 2’ In First Reviews After Venice Debut

Early reviews of Kevin Costner’s "Horizon: American Saga: Chapter 2 are out after its Venice Film Festival premiere on Saturday, and critics remain unimpressed.

www.forbes.com

 

[blueharvest]

 

[Drizzle]

Just turn it into a series and call it a day.

 

[Kane52630]

Like I said, bro should have made The Oregon Trail the movie and he would have gotten that financing from a real studio and do whatever he wanted as long as he throws in a "died from dysentery" joke.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Kevin Costner’s ‘Horizon’ Sparks Sprawling Legal Battle (Exclusive)

The star's loan-out firm is in a standoff with distributor New Line over its cofinancing agreement.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[Hunter Rider]

Kevin Costner Gets Sued Over Unscripted Horizon 2 Rape Scene

Kevin Costner is reportedly being sued over an unscheduled rape scene in Horizon 2, raising concerns about safety and union violations.

www.comingsoon.net

 

[donuts]

Like I said, bro should have made The Oregon Trail the movie and he would have gotten that financing from a real studio and do whatever he wanted as long as he throws in a "died from dysentery" joke.

Kevin Costner should've made one satisfying, complete film. And then eventually used his further ideas for sequels, if the first one was well received.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Kevin Costner’s ‘Horizon’ Sued Over Unpaid Costume Fees

The embattled production has sparked legal proceedings over breaches to a co-financing deal with distributor New Line Cinemas and a stunt performer over an unscripted rape scene.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

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Kevin Costner Gets Sued Over Unscripted Horizon 2 Rape Scene

Kevin Costner is reportedly being sued over an unscheduled rape scene in Horizon 2, raising concerns about safety and union violations.

www.comingsoon.net

That's gross. Also, how many rape scenes does Horizon 2 need if they had already shot one with the stunt double?

On a different note, it doesn't instill much confidence when Costner's denials are coming from Bryan Singer's former lawyer, who was writing impassioned statements on his behalf a decade ago.