Hotshot creators that you're just not into.

That's because you suck.






j/k :)

Don't worry, I still like you're writing Dan lol

Although not enough to read any of that post OMD crap of course.
But you're A:TI was really really good. Not a fan of the roster you've chosen of MA yet (Pym and Jocasta? Really?!) but I'm sticking with it. I've got faith in ya.
 
Alex Ross is NOT on my list for his artwork alone. Sure I wouldn't want to see it everywhere but it is still friggin sweet. I also am thoroughly enjoying Project Superpowers.

Loeb should be shot as far as I'm concerned for what he did to the Ultimates. Shot. Not a kill shot mind you, just one through each hand or something.

Pak's WWH was atrocious.

Frank Miller is a giant waste of time. And I'd rate him as one of the worst pro comic artists I've ever seen employed.

And i must even admit that I've slowly been forced to add Bendis to my list as well. I still liked his stuff long after it got popular to start bashing him. Love Disassembled and the first 18 issues or so of New Avengers. I loved the Sentry arc in early NA, but since then Bendis has done nothing but crap on the character. I mean, if you don't know what to do with him then at least write up out of the series rather than just keep dragging him through the mud. PLEASE!
I still enjoy USM though I must say.
 
Loeb should be shot as far as I'm concerned for what he did to the Ultimates. Shot. Not a kill shot mind you, just one through each hand or something
The singular example of a writer who doesn't know when to hang it up and let other people write. Whereas Millar's writing on Ultimates had nuance and depth, Loeb's Ultimates 3 was a blunt instrument. Bleh.



Frank Miller is a giant waste of time. And I'd rate him as one of the worst pro comic artists I've ever seen employed.
Oh yeah. I enjoyed TDKR, Year One, and Ronin, and his other original works were great, but all this talk about him being some sort of subversive genius? Give me a break. It's one of the reasons I'm so happy that The Spirit tanked; people are finally seeing the light.

And i must even admit that I've slowly been forced to add Bendis to my list as well.
I don't know if I'm there yet, but I'll tell you this: Secret Invasion #8 was such a letdown, but the killing blow was the end where they allude to yet another event. My heart sank when I saw that ending.
Enough already!
 
The singular example of a writer who doesn't know when to hang it up and let other people write.
Creatively, maybe, but his comics still sell like crazy. If you want to hate on Loeb, save some for your fellow comic fans who whine and complain and continue to buy his comics.
 
Dan Slott isn't the end-all/be-all of comic book writers, but he is a very solid writer who, until recently, was a bit of an underdog. The problem with being an underdog with a vocal & loyal fanbase is that the moment you become a topdog, you're suddenly overrated. It's impossible to live up to all the hype.

I liked Slott's She-Hulk and I'm about to start reading his Mighty Avengers, but even I don't love him enough to pick up a Spider-Man book these days.
I get to be a bit tired of all his weird soldier-humping. He's got this strange honor-soldier-warrior-army-America-patriotism fetish going on that pops up in disturbingly unnecessary places in his writing. It's annoying. I get enough wrongheaded deification of soldiers from the rest of the culture; Geoff Johns, Pete Tomasi, and Dan Slott need to keep it out of my comic books.
 
In defense of Johns and Tomasi: the Green Lantern Corps has a lot of military trappings. It'd be awkward if they wrote scathing criticisms of the armed forces instead, beyond the challenges of authority between Green Lanterns and the Guardians of the Universe.
 
In defense of Johns and Tomasi: the Green Lantern Corps has a lot of military trappings. It'd be awkward if they wrote scathing criticisms of the armed forces instead, beyond the challenges of authority between Green Lanterns and the Guardians of the Universe.
The thing is, it's not even the GL titles that I'm talking about. I probably wouldn't/don't notice it there. With those two, it's their work on Justice Society of America. When they write Magog/David Reid/Lance/whoever, they just cannot jerk off his soldierness hard enough. It's like outmoded and false concepts like the honor of American fighting men and women physically make them hard.

Same with Slott. Every once in awhile, in a place where it is just not warranted at all, in Avengers The Initiative, there would just be this ridiculous soldier-hump. Really annoying, and it interrupted the flow of the book. If I was to sit down over coffee with Dan Slott, I'd say: jarhead conservative drones will read comics regardless of whether you brag about your patriotism. In the meanwhile, you're turning off the more intellectual, not-******ed, critical thinking comic book readers with your Army-hardon.
 
I get to be a bit tired of all his weird soldier-humping. He's got this strange honor-soldier-warrior-army-America-patriotism fetish going on that pops up in disturbingly unnecessary places in his writing. It's annoying. I get enough wrongheaded deification of soldiers from the rest of the culture; Geoff Johns, Pete Tomasi, and Dan Slott need to keep it out of my comic books.

I think that's a pretty silly way to look at it. Writing is a creative, expressive medium. Wether or not they do it well, writers and artists should have the freedom to express their world views through their work. Wether or not they continue to express particular world views, or in a particular way, really depends on how well their work sells and how much that bothers them. Me, personally, I haven't noticed any of the patriotic themes in their works to disrupt the flow.
 
The thing is, it's not even the GL titles that I'm talking about. I probably wouldn't/don't notice it there. With those two, it's their work on Justice Society of America. When they write Magog/David Reid/Lance/whoever, they just cannot jerk off his soldierness hard enough. It's like outmoded and false concepts like the honor of American fighting men and women physically make them hard.

Same with Slott. Every once in awhile, in a place where it is just not warranted at all, in Avengers The Initiative, there would just be this ridiculous soldier-hump. Really annoying, and it interrupted the flow of the book. If I was to sit down over coffee with Dan Slott, I'd say: jarhead conservative drones will read comics regardless of whether you brag about your patriotism. In the meanwhile, you're turning off the more intellectual, not-******ed, critical thinking comic book readers with your Army-hardon.
A:TI is even more of a superheroes-as-soldiers book than GL/GLC, so how would it not be appropriate there. :huh: It's not like Slott hasn't shown the opposite side of things, either. Cloud 9 was a sweet, idealistic girl who was transformed into a cold-blooded killer by her militarization at the hands of the Initiative.
 
For me this is an easy list. Brian Bendis, Mark Millar, Judd Winnick(still hotshot?), Grant Morrison, and Warren Ellis.
 
Why those two?

With Morrisom...outside his early JLA stuff, I have not liked anything he has written. I am not a fan of his Batman run. RIP was a huge disappointment. The Ninja Man-Bats were too silly. I do not like Damien at all. Final Crisis was really bad as well.

Warren Ellis..i cannot not recall one comic of his that I really enjoyed. I have no real animosity towards his work, I just don't know any of his work that I have particularly enjoyed.
 
Have you read Planetary? I'm not a fan of Ellis either, but Planetary is absolutely awesome.
 
Have you read Planetary? I'm not a fan of Ellis either, but Planetary is absolutely awesome.

I have a few issues of the series. I seem to recall they were well written, they just did not grab me. I did not like Fell either. Mostly for the same reason, though i am a fan of its cover price.
 
I LOVE Frank Miller's old work, like Sin City and 300, and even The Dark Knight Returns. I couldn't get into The Dark Knight Strikes Back, and I LOATHED All Star. His dark and gritty style worked to bring Batman back alive, and in Sin City, but I get too much of the feeling lately that he's doing what Fallout Boy does- constantly trying to put in these WAY too "poetic" one-liners in every other part of the script. He also tries to put too much of his own twist on everything... I like seeing writers/artists do their own thing, but not so much so that you take the character completely out of its own context.

I also hate blue highlights on black pictures. That's so lame. :down
 
What about Kirkman?

With the two main exceptions (Walking Dead and Invincible), I can't stand what he's been putting out. Ultimate X Men was crap, Marvel Zombies 2 was crap, and I don't see how people can keep buying Astounding Wolf Man.

Not to mention his incredible arrogance as exhibited on CBR's video of his "Manifesto", and the way he's pledging fealty to McFarlane and Co. by kissing ass so much his eyes have turned brown...



...of course, you can argue and say that as long as TWD and Invincible are going strong, that's all you really need - I'd be inclined to agree with such a statement.
 
I've read the first story arc of Invincible about the people exploding in the mall.

It was alright. I imagine Kirkman's writing becomes as good as everyone says after a few more stories, but that first bit was passably readable with nothing special about it.
 
:D:up:

Plus, who doesnt like All-Star Superman?! :cmad:

All-Star was hit or miss for me. I mean, there was a lot of great stuff in it, but it also focused on a lot of the aspects of the Superman mythos that I'm not a huge fan of. Yes, I understand that this was what the series was trying to do and there was a point to it, but that still doesn't make me like those aspects of the mythos any more. So, basically, I think that All-Star did everything it was trying to be incredibly well, I'm just not a huge fan of everything it was trying to be conceptually.
 
All-Star was hit or miss for me. I mean, there was a lot of great stuff in it, but it also focused on a lot of the aspects of the Superman mythos that I'm not a huge fan of. Yes, I understand that this was what the series was trying to do and there was a point to it, but that still doesn't make me like those aspects of the mythos any more. So, basically, I think that All-Star did everything it was trying to be incredibly well, I'm just not a huge fan of everything it was trying to be conceptually.
What are these aspects that you don't like?
 
What are these aspects that you don't like?

1: The characterization of Luthor as the insane, solely petty jealousy driven mad scientist. I personally prefer the machiavellian business tycoon/legitimately respected scientist who has many noble intentions but very ignoble means and a pathological distrust of superhumans and aliens, mainly because that's the Luthor I grew up with and I'm rather drawn to the idea that the biggest villain in the DCU is a man who truly wants to do right by the world, but his own shortcomings and flaws twist and corrupt that desire to do good into something nasty.

2: I got the vibe from All-Star that they were going for the idea that Superman is who he really is and the Clark Kent we see day to day is just an act. I'm not fond of that for too reasons. One, the Superman stuff I've always found most appealing are the quiet dialogue driven moments between Clark and Lois or Clark and Jimmy or Clark and Perry or Clark and Lana or Clark and his parents. That's purely a matter of personal preference. I mean, my favorite scene in Jurassic Park is when John Hammond and Dr. Sattler are talking about the Flea Circus, so I guess I'm just into that stuff. Two, it's always struck me as kind of silly and unnecessary. We all wear masks, we all play different roles in different groups. I know that I'm a very different person in my church than I am at school simply because my relationships with those two groups of people are very different. No one "version" of you is the real you. They're all different aspects of the incredibly multi faceted being that is you. Obviously Clark plays up on the differences for the sake of the whole secret identity thing, but I think that whatever aspects of his day to day life as Clark Kent are his being a lie, there should be an equal amount of lie living when he's Superman. Not that either is him living a lie, but he plays up certain traits and downplays others for the sake of his secret identity, and as Superman having the inspiring persona he wants to project. I would think the "real" Clark Kent is somewhere in the middle, not quite as confident and larger than life as he likes to let on as Superman, but not quite as quiet and unassuming as the Clark Kent that the average joe who doesn't really know him sees. I think the best way to approach Superman is as a very multi faceted being, but a lot of people tack onto the "No, Clark is a lie he lives" idea, which is the vibe I got from All-Star.

3: The power levels. Again, this is probably a matter of what I grew up with, but I prefer a Superman who sometimes struggles to get things done. Not that he should be a weakling street level skull basher. He should be one of the more powerful characters in the DCU who isn't a god of some kind. But moving planets, flying faster than light, being able to sneeze galaxies out of existence....not my cup of tea. I prefer it scaled back a bit. I think a big part of it is that I really dislike Kryptonite. It just annoys me when you have a character who is completely invulnerable and practically immortal and can only be killed by this one green rock that's supposedly rare, but you always have to have someone get their hands on some if you want them to pose any kind of threat, and have you noticed that the one thing that can kill him never actually manages to kill him? Yeah, not a huge fan of Kryptonite. So, I personally prefer a Superman where you don't need Kryptonite for him to be in danger. not that he shouldn't be faster than a a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and all that good stuff, but I'm not a fan of him being so powerful that he needs to get into a three way fist fight with Jesus Christ, Cthullu, and Hercules just to break a sweat.

Now, Morrison did those things absolutely brilliantly. They're just not my favorite things to begin with.
 
Tim Sale, Alex Ross (as anything other than a cover artist), Jeph Loeb, Mike Mignola (as writer), Warren Ellis and many more too numerous to mention!
 

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