How come Burton doesnt like B89 that much?

[obiwan]

i just saw a video on youtube, he doesnt seem to like his first batman that much, he said like, he knew certain elements worked, but overall he seemed unsatisfied with the film. but why?


EDIT: link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjfh7nnjWrU

 

[Two-Face]

Got a link? I never seen him saying this.

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

not sure I remember him saying this, a link would help.

 

[Ziggyman]

...Maybe he doesn't like it...Because it's not that great of a film (my opinion)...And he was disappointed with his work...

 

[gwynplaine]

...Maybe he doesn't like it...Because it's not that great of a film (my opinion)...And he was disappointed with his work...

Good point. He was still a relatively young and unproved director and probably suffered from studio and suits interferences. "Returns" looks much more like his baby and even though flawed too, a superior film imo.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I pride myself on being a huge Burton fan... so before I jump the shark, I think a link would help...

However, perhaps the reason he looks back on this one with a little bit of... pain perhaps?... is because of the heavy pressure from executives. I think he mention on the DVD about how...

-The shooting schedule was a nightmare and very intense
-plus he has a cold during
-I get the feeling that Jon Peters is not the easiest guy to work with
-Also this movie was extremely main stream... which really isn't his scene.

Perhaps he looks back thinking... Too much, too soon!


I can only imagine what a Burton Batman movie would be like now...

 

[Ziggyman]

Good point. He was still a relatively young and unproved director and probably suffered from studio and suits interferences. "Returns" looks much more like his baby and even though flawed too, a superior film imo.

Yep...I agree with that...I like Returns much better...

 

[BlueLightning]

"Torture. The worst period of my life!"
—Tim Burton describing the filming of Batman

 

[Wesley Dodds]

Maybe it might have something to do with the HUGE amount of studio interference that Warner Bros. threw at him at every stage of filming... I'm a big fan of (early) burton and his Batman movies .. but it's pretty clear when you watch them now (mostly just the first one, though) you can really feel the parts that the money men made Burton do... They stand out in stark contrast to most of the movie... givng it a weird uneven vibe at times.. Example? I think the The Nicholson Joker/Prince dance number at the museum is one of the most "What the ****!?" moments in film history.....
Actually, ANY moment of that movie in which the Prince soundtrack (WB made him use) is involved,seriously takes me out of the movie altogether.

 

[theMan-Bat]

Burton was at Pinewood Studios, discovering that shooting a big-budget blockbuster was stressful enough without creatively-minded producers breathing down his neck. Peters and Guber were constantly tweaking and changing the script, desperate to make the story appeal to the widest possible audience, and they urged Burton to inject less Gothic psychology and more sex-appeal into Batman’s character, complaining “He’s supposed to be Batman, not Wuss-man!” This was hugely frustrating for Burton.
“I saw with BATMAN a level of greed I’d never seen before in my life” said Burton in 1991. “If I was a normal person, I’d have gone ‘Shut the **** up, I’m sick of hearing about this thing.’”
http://www.saxonbullock.com/bat-to-basics.htm

 

[theMan-Bat]

Yep...I agree with that...I like Returns much better...

Ditto!

 

[obiwan]

heres the link, sorry i should have added it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjfh7nnjWrU


and yes, there were times where i thought Returns was a superior FILM to B89. it is, it just had a better character development, and while it didnt have huge action stuff, it had a better dialogue. in fact, Returns for me has the best dialogue of all the batman films thus far.

 

[Bubastis]

He's exactly like Kevin Smith described him. He's like a dramatic goth-kid art school student

 

[the_scream]

i just saw a video on youtube, he doesnt seem to like his first batman that much, he said like, he knew certain elements worked, but overall he seemed unsatisfied with the film. but why?


EDIT: link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjfh7nnjWrU

Studio interference mostly. The film wasn't what he wanted to make. See Batman Returns for the Batman he really wanted to make. Interesting that BR is more a Burton than Batman film right down to the Danny Elfman music, small-town feel, freakshow circus characters, wintery weather, and much darker in tone. That's why it works better as a stand alone film but not so well as a Batman film.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

He's exactly like Kevin Smith described him. He's like a dramatic goth-kid art school student

Watch some interviews with Burton. He's anything but what Smith described him to be.

Even if the story Smith tells is 100% true, I see it as an isolated incident. We all have our less admirable times. Burton is no exception.

 

[CFE]

Yeah, I'm getting the feeling that people are confusing "BATMAN" with "The Production of BATMAN."

That's what Burton wasn't fond of.

CFE

 

[panda_eater]

He also said he found some parts "boring."

 

[Superwoman Prime]

^ That was Batman Returns.

 

[panda_eater]

No it was Batman.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

No.

I specifically remember him in an interview with Charlie Rose, talking about Batman Returns and he made a comment about how he thought some parts were boring.

 

[raleagh]

No.

I specifically remember him in an interview with Charlie Rose, talking about Batman Returns and he made a comment about how he thought some parts were boring.

Link?

He has said that about B89 several times (during interviews about Returns) - so you may be confusing the two.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Dude, search for it on YouTube.

Burton Charlie Rose

 

[November Rain]

89 does seem more like a large compromise to his usual work. returns is more in line with his visual and story telling stlye.

I would quite like to have seen a truly burton take on the joker though...

 

[Superwoman Prime]

We pretty much got a Burton take of The Joker in TDK, paradoxically enough.

 

[November Rain]

not really, nolan's joker was far too driven and had an overall agenda to try and better the world by bringing down the facade of order and he did it in an effective way.

burton's batman would be more about arbitrary chaos but not actually what it ended up achieving but how grand a scheme and how artistic he could do it. He'd only have to kill one person but if he made it a poetic 'funny' kill, he'd be elated.

I really felt like I was watching more of an adaptation of hugo strange on screen rather than the joker in the dark knight which is kinda ashame. That boat scene was straight out of a hugo strange playbook, not to mention tricking bats into saving harvey