The Dark Knight Rises How could the Lazarus pits work in Nolan's final batfilm?

[DaveMoral]

I'm tired of explaining the difference.

I shouldn't have to explain why a magical pit that can keep a man alive for 600 years and make him young again after a single dip is different from a giant microwave that doesn't quite work the way it would in real life.

Believe whatever you want to believe, I guess.

As far as the Lazarus Pit goes and "magic," the only thing remotely "magical" about it is the concept of Ley Lines and how they played into the creation of the Pits. They don't just bubble up from the ground. The liquid itself is a mixture of medicines and poisons as per Birth of the Demon, in a pool dug over a convergence point for Ley Lines. Ley Lines are like conduits for the Earth's energy, or so the theory goes.

To make that jive better with Nolan's world it could have something to do with electromagnetism or any number of other scientific ideas alone with the pool being a mixture of poisons, chemicals and medicines. And I doubt it would be a brief "dip" in the pool either.

The thing is, it can be made to work in the world Nolan has constructed. Complete with restorative effects, and an extended lifespan... seems to me if Nolan gave some kind of plausible "scientific" explication on the things, then made a special features doc for the DVD about the real ideas backing it up, you and everyone else would buy it. Like most things in the Batman mythos Nolan has fudged it a bit to fit with the world he's trying to construct. He would do the same with the Lazaraus Pits if he chose to use them.

Hell, Nolan could suddenly put magic in there and give it some kind of justification and people would buy it because that's what we do when we go into a movie theater or crack open a book. We are there for the directors, and writers to just give us a plausible thing for what whatever story point or detail works in the world of the story, not in our world. None of this crap works in our world. None of it. If criminals didn't kill Batman relatively quickly in his career, the police would hunt him down and arrest him.

Besides which, this is the guy that is now mentoring the Superman- The Man of Steel movie project... if word came down from the top at WB/DC that they want to try and make a more cohesive movie universe for their characters, Nolan would surely take some small steps to do that. Whatever they've said about keeping the worlds seperate could change before all is said and done. Batman ends up connected to Superman, and both to Green Lantern in some tangential way. It could be a simple as a reference to Metropolis in TDKR and a reference to Gotham in MOS.

 

[papie]

I am JAK®'s furious enflamed anger over that last post.

I am JAK®'s sense of hopeless disappointment.

 

[Travesty]

I don't think he's pissed off, I think he's just tired of having the same conversation over and over again.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

I also do not understand why people fail to see the difference between a Lazarus Pit and the microwave emitter. It's pretty obvious, but people these days need to have everything spelled out for them.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

Never said drugs do not cause hallucinations. I said they can't induce phobia centric hallucinations.


And if that BS is called magic then by my count Batman has/had:

Magic cape
Magic armor
Magic fighting capabilities
Develops magic weaponry for the army
Magic car
Magic building
Flipped a magic semi
Had a magical foe (Two-Face)
Turned millions of phones into magic sonar
Magic grapnel



Shall I go on? The rules can't apply for some things and not others.

Just imagine James Bond suddenly has to fight against aliens from Aldebaran.

 

[JAK®]

I am JAK®'s furious enflamed anger over that last post.

I am JAK®'s sense of hopeless disappointment.

Actually it's more like this;

 

[Travesty]

Actually it's more like this;

 

[serendipity]

Hello fanboys, look at Batman, now back to me, now back at Batman, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

But if he stopped being "realistic" and switched to Lazarus Pit body wash, he could smell like he's me.

 

[JAK®]

Hello fanboys, look at Batman, now back to me, now back at Batman, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

But if he stopped being "realistic" and switched to Lazarus Pit body wash, he could smell like he's me.

I agree with you.

But this franchise doesn't use Old Spice

 

[StarLord]

I think it may be used as some sort of healing pit instead.

There's no way Nolan would put a massive twist in the last movie with a ''magical pit''....

 

[The_Raganork]

It can be made "magical" but the manner would have to be similar to the way a disciple of the League was made to embrace his worst fear by opening an empty chest. In Begins, Bruce opened the chest and what he and the audience "saw" was screeching bats flying out, Wayne's worst fear materialized in our minds. The Lazarus Pit can be conceptualized the same way and incorporate both the texture of realism (its nothing but a well) and molded into whatever fantasy the story dictates it to be as perceived by the characters and audience.

but Bruce was drugged up in that scene

 

[The_Raganork]

Right, and the same mechanism can be used to balance the line b/w staying faithful to the realistic textures Nolan has setup while incorporating the more fantastical elements of the Pit.

drug intoxication and replicating a natural being that creates immortality are very different.


That being said, I think I get what you're saying; is it:

The Laz Pit can be in the film but, it's going to be anchored in the realistic approach of the last two films. Don't expect a complete departure but, don't bar it because it's concept is too fantastical. Nolan has taken many fantastical things in this series and weighed them down with science or realism and there's no need to think he won't/can't do it again.

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(and before you realism Nazi's get on my case, you have to open your eyes and see that just because the movies aren't realistic, that doesn't mean that they don't use a degree of realism in their approach, realism is a spectrum)

 

[DeeBarr]

What would happen if Bruce decided to try and put Dent into a Lazarus pit after his burning?

 

[Unmasked]

Ducard's line "But is Ra's Al Ghul immortal?" is an in-joke, since the comic book version of the character is over 600 years old (and has been killed and resurrected many times) thanks to a device called the Lazarus Pit. Christopher Nolan chose to eschew all fantasy elements from his version of Batman.

 

[DaveMoral]

^Haha. The whole movie is fantasy with a few plausible explanations for things.

 

[Vile]

If Bats and Rachel can fall off a building and slam into a car with enough force to crush it and be fine...I think the Lazarus Pit will fit in just dandy

 

[TruerToTheCore]

Apples and oranges, again.

 

[thedarks0ldier]

If Bats and Rachel can fall off a building and slam into a car with enough force to crush it and be fine...I think the Lazarus Pit will fit in just dandy

truth

 

[HUMANIMAL]

the thread is called ''how'' it could work not ''why'' it could or could not....
how bout its just used for a sort of baptism rite to become ras...
saying it would give the one immortality as a sort of occult magic tradition cause in ancient times people believed in such things and it has to go on like that each time a new ras occurs.
saying its magic but it isnt...

perhaps its a sort of vapour which makes the one kind of numb to feelings and you think you are stronger than anyone else...

 

[ALP]

I don't think we'll see the Pit because there is some other actor cast as young Ra's. If Ra's was an immortal person who used the pit for the past 500 years, they would have cast Neeson for flashbacks that only occur 30 or so years in the past.

I don't see the Pit being in this movie...

 

[Doctor Who]

I am JAK®'s furious enflamed anger over that last post.

I am JAK®'s sense of hopeless disappointment.

I'm sorry, but I laughed.

 

[JAK®]

I just find it baffling that this thread has painted me as some sort of staunch realist that hates the comics and wants everything to be dark and gritty.

Just because I don't think Nolan will do something doesn't mean I don't want it to happen. You people are like little spoiled kids that think their parents are depriving them because the dessert isn't ready yet.

 

[dark_b]

in the teaser trailer there is a shot of someone climbing out of the pit right?

what if Bruce has a broken back and goes inside the pit and then rises out ?

 

[RedSkull]

Bane should be drugged up not healed by the pit. Same with Batman...well not drugged up sputtering batman but I dont want him healed by any lazarus pit. If they include a supernatural element now then they might as well have had mr freeze

 

[Boom]

That was Bane.