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Dude, I actually went deep into why Bane is not a villain that you can defeat with a fist fight as someone who got to see a whole scene in the film. As someone who got to be in a whole scene in the film with him. This isn't your prototypical villain. He isn't "uh, let's fight fist to fist." If that's what you want? Well, then that's kind of funny because that isn't Bane at all. I still find it odd how you skipped over all of this.
Okay, let me go into very basic easy to understand lamen terms shall we? Since I think it is needed for me to try to be very simple with how I phrase as to not confuse you. We have Gotham tearing itself apart. We have basically a police state. We have an economy on the brink of a meltdown. Bane has a very clear agenda which is to have Gotham explode. He is filling the people with dread. Everything around them is falling apart. Some of the people, non-criminals, have aligned themselves with Bane.
WHY ISN'T THIS UGHHH FIST FIGHT?!!!
Bane is the kind of leader that if and when he dies someone will rise to take his place. He's a guy who's building an army. An army that you get the sense of won't stop until the mission Bane put in place succeeds live or die. You feel like if he walks out of the room - you're still in trouble because his army is still there even without his orders. Bane has a legacy all his own and that's from his sheer presence alone. You just kill this guy? You will only be cutting off one head of a hydra.
WHAT IF BATMAN DIES?
So what if Batman dies? Is basically the problem. You have a civil war between these two factions and people basically giving into anarchy. A complete meltdown like Raas threatened Gotham was close to. So what if batman dies? He'll just be one of the thousand cops and wannabe heroes dying. Nothing special about him. This is the real world, remember? A soldier falls in battle - no one particularly cares and he's just seen as a hero. But, fallen heroes in these kinds of battles don't win wars. He's human. But so are cops. So are SWAT. So are soldiers. Real world picture - he's just a good guy with cool toys. Unless somehow his legacy is built up to be VERY VERY high status. But... the city thinks he killed Dent... and then wait... if the truth is revealed he and Gordon LIED to the city and forced this police state on them! They'd see Batman as still the enemy. He needs to do something VERY VERY CRUCIAL to win Gotham over after that. And dying? Eh, guy's partly the reason we're in this mess.
Those who are following Bane will see it as a good thing. One pest is out of their way. Those on the brink of a melt-down will now fully join Bane since he's now their last chance and only salvation.
Batman can die in a fight, he can die being a martyr. Same damn thing. He's dead. How does that exactly bring people together? Bane is dead - his army is still there. The city is still falling apart. In realistic terms, how does this end a city falling apart? How would two martyrs or one martyr stop Rome from burning?
HOW DO YOU SAVE A CITY?
Now that is the real question. Bane dying just makes his army stronger. Batman dying is just a pro for Bane's gathering army and a further sign of loss for the people if Batman can win them back in time, even with Bane's death in motion. In order to save a city you need to give it a strong example to live up to. You need to give them hope. You need to give them a figure to stand behind. You need to let them know that someone is protecting them. That in the end the good guys win if you put your beliefs ahead of yourself. That although fallible - you can still rise.
WHAT IS SO TEAR-JERKING ABOUT THAT???
Well, think about the world we live in today. Many are afraid to vote because they don't think their vote will count. I see more people scoffing at march on wallstreet than participating in it. I see people thinking we are doomed to this. People seeing the brutality of the world and yet being too afraid to do anything because they don't think they matter. This is the time where we really DO need a hero to help inspire us. The tear-jerking moment is seeing Gotham in the daytime rather than New York City at night. And THAT is how Batman will save Gotham City.
A couple interesting quotes:
"It does harken back to that notion that this guy is originated from great pain and he has to address that — but at what point does it become indulgence? The question is: how long do you allow pain to dominate your life? He has to try and answer that and move on."
"The way he brings it back to 'Batman Begins,' and really what Bruce Wayne discovers about himself, what he learns about himself at the end of this one."
Where exactly do those quotes too fit in with Bruce dying in any sort of way? How is that him 'moving on' from his demons? How is that him learning something about himself?
I've come to a fair conclusion in life that in order to truly progress we must first put aside the demons of our past and rise above them to become the man / city we need to be.
Okay, let me go into very basic easy to understand lamen terms shall we? Since I think it is needed for me to try to be very simple with how I phrase as to not confuse you. We have Gotham tearing itself apart. We have basically a police state. We have an economy on the brink of a meltdown. Bane has a very clear agenda which is to have Gotham explode. He is filling the people with dread. Everything around them is falling apart. Some of the people, non-criminals, have aligned themselves with Bane.
WHY ISN'T THIS UGHHH FIST FIGHT?!!!
Bane is the kind of leader that if and when he dies someone will rise to take his place. He's a guy who's building an army. An army that you get the sense of won't stop until the mission Bane put in place succeeds live or die. You feel like if he walks out of the room - you're still in trouble because his army is still there even without his orders. Bane has a legacy all his own and that's from his sheer presence alone. You just kill this guy? You will only be cutting off one head of a hydra.
WHAT IF BATMAN DIES?
So what if Batman dies? Is basically the problem. You have a civil war between these two factions and people basically giving into anarchy. A complete meltdown like Raas threatened Gotham was close to. So what if batman dies? He'll just be one of the thousand cops and wannabe heroes dying. Nothing special about him. This is the real world, remember? A soldier falls in battle - no one particularly cares and he's just seen as a hero. But, fallen heroes in these kinds of battles don't win wars. He's human. But so are cops. So are SWAT. So are soldiers. Real world picture - he's just a good guy with cool toys. Unless somehow his legacy is built up to be VERY VERY high status. But... the city thinks he killed Dent... and then wait... if the truth is revealed he and Gordon LIED to the city and forced this police state on them! They'd see Batman as still the enemy. He needs to do something VERY VERY CRUCIAL to win Gotham over after that. And dying? Eh, guy's partly the reason we're in this mess.
Those who are following Bane will see it as a good thing. One pest is out of their way. Those on the brink of a melt-down will now fully join Bane since he's now their last chance and only salvation.
Batman can die in a fight, he can die being a martyr. Same damn thing. He's dead. How does that exactly bring people together? Bane is dead - his army is still there. The city is still falling apart. In realistic terms, how does this end a city falling apart? How would two martyrs or one martyr stop Rome from burning?
HOW DO YOU SAVE A CITY?
Now that is the real question. Bane dying just makes his army stronger. Batman dying is just a pro for Bane's gathering army and a further sign of loss for the people if Batman can win them back in time, even with Bane's death in motion. In order to save a city you need to give it a strong example to live up to. You need to give them hope. You need to give them a figure to stand behind. You need to let them know that someone is protecting them. That in the end the good guys win if you put your beliefs ahead of yourself. That although fallible - you can still rise.
WHAT IS SO TEAR-JERKING ABOUT THAT???
Well, think about the world we live in today. Many are afraid to vote because they don't think their vote will count. I see more people scoffing at march on wallstreet than participating in it. I see people thinking we are doomed to this. People seeing the brutality of the world and yet being too afraid to do anything because they don't think they matter. This is the time where we really DO need a hero to help inspire us. The tear-jerking moment is seeing Gotham in the daytime rather than New York City at night. And THAT is how Batman will save Gotham City.
A couple interesting quotes:
"It does harken back to that notion that this guy is originated from great pain and he has to address that — but at what point does it become indulgence? The question is: how long do you allow pain to dominate your life? He has to try and answer that and move on."
"The way he brings it back to 'Batman Begins,' and really what Bruce Wayne discovers about himself, what he learns about himself at the end of this one."
Where exactly do those quotes too fit in with Bruce dying in any sort of way? How is that him 'moving on' from his demons? How is that him learning something about himself?
I've come to a fair conclusion in life that in order to truly progress we must first put aside the demons of our past and rise above them to become the man / city we need to be.
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