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The Dark Knight Rises Why Batman WON'T Die in The Dark Knight Rises

Dude, I actually went deep into why Bane is not a villain that you can defeat with a fist fight as someone who got to see a whole scene in the film. As someone who got to be in a whole scene in the film with him. This isn't your prototypical villain. He isn't "uh, let's fight fist to fist." If that's what you want? Well, then that's kind of funny because that isn't Bane at all. I still find it odd how you skipped over all of this.

Okay, let me go into very basic easy to understand lamen terms shall we? Since I think it is needed for me to try to be very simple with how I phrase as to not confuse you. We have Gotham tearing itself apart. We have basically a police state. We have an economy on the brink of a meltdown. Bane has a very clear agenda which is to have Gotham explode. He is filling the people with dread. Everything around them is falling apart. Some of the people, non-criminals, have aligned themselves with Bane.

WHY ISN'T THIS UGHHH FIST FIGHT?!!!

Bane is the kind of leader that if and when he dies someone will rise to take his place. He's a guy who's building an army. An army that you get the sense of won't stop until the mission Bane put in place succeeds live or die. You feel like if he walks out of the room - you're still in trouble because his army is still there even without his orders. Bane has a legacy all his own and that's from his sheer presence alone. You just kill this guy? You will only be cutting off one head of a hydra.

WHAT IF BATMAN DIES?

So what if Batman dies? Is basically the problem. You have a civil war between these two factions and people basically giving into anarchy. A complete meltdown like Raas threatened Gotham was close to. So what if batman dies? He'll just be one of the thousand cops and wannabe heroes dying. Nothing special about him. This is the real world, remember? A soldier falls in battle - no one particularly cares and he's just seen as a hero. But, fallen heroes in these kinds of battles don't win wars. He's human. But so are cops. So are SWAT. So are soldiers. Real world picture - he's just a good guy with cool toys. Unless somehow his legacy is built up to be VERY VERY high status. But... the city thinks he killed Dent... and then wait... if the truth is revealed he and Gordon LIED to the city and forced this police state on them! They'd see Batman as still the enemy. He needs to do something VERY VERY CRUCIAL to win Gotham over after that. And dying? Eh, guy's partly the reason we're in this mess.

Those who are following Bane will see it as a good thing. One pest is out of their way. Those on the brink of a melt-down will now fully join Bane since he's now their last chance and only salvation.

Batman can die in a fight, he can die being a martyr. Same damn thing. He's dead. How does that exactly bring people together? Bane is dead - his army is still there. The city is still falling apart. In realistic terms, how does this end a city falling apart? How would two martyrs or one martyr stop Rome from burning?

HOW DO YOU SAVE A CITY?

Now that is the real question. Bane dying just makes his army stronger. Batman dying is just a pro for Bane's gathering army and a further sign of loss for the people if Batman can win them back in time, even with Bane's death in motion. In order to save a city you need to give it a strong example to live up to. You need to give them hope. You need to give them a figure to stand behind. You need to let them know that someone is protecting them. That in the end the good guys win if you put your beliefs ahead of yourself. That although fallible - you can still rise.

WHAT IS SO TEAR-JERKING ABOUT THAT???

Well, think about the world we live in today. Many are afraid to vote because they don't think their vote will count. I see more people scoffing at march on wallstreet than participating in it. I see people thinking we are doomed to this. People seeing the brutality of the world and yet being too afraid to do anything because they don't think they matter. This is the time where we really DO need a hero to help inspire us. The tear-jerking moment is seeing Gotham in the daytime rather than New York City at night. And THAT is how Batman will save Gotham City.


A couple interesting quotes:


"It does harken back to that notion that this guy is originated from great pain and he has to address that — but at what point does it become indulgence? The question is: how long do you allow pain to dominate your life? He has to try and answer that and move on."

"The way he brings it back to 'Batman Begins,' and really what Bruce Wayne discovers about himself, what he learns about himself at the end of this one."

Where exactly do those quotes too fit in with Bruce dying in any sort of way? How is that him 'moving on' from his demons? How is that him learning something about himself?

I've come to a fair conclusion in life that in order to truly progress we must first put aside the demons of our past and rise above them to become the man / city we need to be.
 
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Dude, I actually went deep into why Bane is not a villain that you can defeat with a fist fight as someone who got to see a whole scene in the film. As someone who got to be in a whole scene in the film with him. This isn't your prototypical villain. He isn't "uh, let's fight fist to fist." If that's what you want? Well, then that's kind of funny because that isn't Bane at all. I still find it odd how you skipped over all of this.

Okay, let me go into very basic easy to understand lamen terms shall we? Since I think it is needed for me to try to be very simple with how I phrase as to not confuse you. We have Gotham tearing itself apart. We have basically a police state. We have an economy on the brink of a meltdown. Bane has a very clear agenda which is to have Gotham explode. He is filling the people with dread. Everything around them is falling apart. Some of the people, non-criminals, have aligned themselves with Bane.

WHY ISN'T THIS UGHHH FIST FIGHT?!!!

Bane is the kind of leader that if and when he dies someone will rise to take his place. He's a guy who's building an army. An army that you get the sense of won't stop until the mission Bane put in place succeeds live or die. You feel like if he walks out of the room - you're still in trouble because his army is still there even without his orders. Bane has a legacy all his own and that's from his sheer presence alone. You just kill this guy? You will only be cutting off one head of a hydra.

WHAT IF BATMAN DIES?

So what if Batman dies? Is basically the problem. You have a civil war between these two factions and people basically giving into anarchy. A complete meltdown like Raas threatened Gotham was close to. So what if batman dies? He'll just be one of the thousand cops and wannabe heroes dying. Nothing special about him. This is the real world, remember? A soldier falls in battle - no one particularly cares and he's just seen as a hero. But, fallen heroes in these kinds of battles don't win wars.

Those who are following Bane will see it as a good thing. One pest is out of their way. Those on the brink of a melt-down will now fully join Bane since he's now their last chance and salvation.

Batman can die in a fight, he can die being a martyr. Same damn thing. He's dead. How does that exactly bring people together? Bane is dead - his army is still there. The city is still falling apart. In realistic terms, how does this end a city falling apart? How would two martyrs or one martyr stop Rome from falling?

HOW DO YOU SAVE A CITY?

Now that is the real question. Bane dying just makes his army stronger. Batman dying is just a pro for Bane's gathering army and a further sign of loss for the people, even with Bane's death in motion. In order to save a city you need to give it a strong example to live up to. You need to give them hope. You need to give them a figure to stand behind. You need to let them know that someone is protecting them. That in the end the good guys win if you put your beliefs ahead of yourself.

WHAT IS SO TEAR-JERKING ABOUT THAT???

Well, think about the world we live in today. Many are afraid to vote because they don't think their vote will count. I see more people scoffing at march on wallstreet than participating in it. I see people thinking we are doomed to this. This is the time where we really DO need a hero to help inspire us. The tear-jerking moment is seeing Gotham in the daytime rather than New York City at night.


A couple interesting quotes:


"It does harken back to that notion that this guy is originated from great pain and he has to address that — but at what point does it become indulgence? The question is: how long do you allow pain to dominate your life? He has to try and answer that and move on."

"The way he brings it back to 'Batman Begins,' and really what Bruce Wayne discovers about himself, what he learns about himself at the end of this one."

I've come to a fair conclusion in life that in order to truly progress we must first put aside the demons of our past and rise above them to become the man / city we need to be.

Holy **** man.IT'S A MOVIE u typed all that out like if u were writing a term paper
 
I'm a writer. It comes naturally to me. Plus these thoughts have been in my head from the first second I stepped on set of the kind of villain Bane is. As said - if he left the room without giving his army orders? YOU'D STILL BE SCARED OF THE EFFECT HE HAS OVER THEM. Bane can't be locked away or killed or whatnot - this situation? It's... he saw Gotham as a city on the brink and truly kicked it into ruins. I want to say, but it's not fully because it's a heck of a lot stronger - like the power a cult leader attains over a while.

ADDING -- the thing I've come to learn is from having lost my birth parents at a very young age and letting that drive and fuel me into both good and bad. It's motivated me to get farther than many my age coming from basically nothing for where I am now - the work is my life. It's motivated in the negative anti-social ways that losing parents has effected Bruce. And from hearing those quotes about Bruce's journey, it does seem like what he learns too. And it is a very real place. That he has to accept what happened to him. Gotham has to accept where it is. And from there they can both start to rebuild. I don't see it as a coincidence that one image is Bruce attempting to climb up a bigger well that is reminiscent of the one when he was a child where Thomas tells him that we fall to better learn how to pick ourselves back up. And that's what I see being his arc. His introduction, his fall, and then his rise.
 
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Dude, I actually went deep into why Bane is not a villain that you can defeat with a fist fight as someone who got to see a whole scene in the film. As someone who got to be in a whole scene in the film with him. This isn't your prototypical villain. He isn't "uh, let's fight fist to fist." If that's what you want? Well, then that's kind of funny because that isn't Bane at all. I still find it odd how you skipped over all of this.

I didn't acknowledge it.

Okay, let me go into very basic easy to understand lamen terms shall we? Since I think it is needed for me to try to be very simple with how I phrase as to not confuse you. We have Gotham tearing itself apart. We have basically a police state. We have an economy on the brink of a meltdown. Bane has a very clear agenda which is to have Gotham explode. He is filling the people with dread. Everything around them is falling apart. Some of the people, non-criminals, have aligned themselves with Bane.

Yes, we've known this for months.

WHY ISN'T THIS UGHHH FIST FIGHT?!!!

Bane is the kind of leader that if and when he dies someone will rise to take his place. He's a guy who's building an army. An army that you get the sense of won't stop until the mission Bane put in place succeeds live or die. You feel like if he walks out of the room - you're still in trouble because his army is still there even without his orders. Bane has a legacy all his own and that's from his sheer presence alone. You just kill this guy? You will only be cutting off one head of a hydra.

That has not been confirmed. All that's known about Bane's army is that they are either extremely loyal or true believers to the 'cause'.

WHAT IF BATMAN DIES?

So what if Batman dies? Is basically the problem. You have a civil war between these two factions and people basically giving into anarchy. A complete meltdown like Raas threatened Gotham was close to. So what if batman dies? He'll just be one of the thousand cops and wannabe heroes dying. Nothing special about him. This is the real world, remember? A soldier falls in battle - no one particularly cares and he's just seen as a hero. But, fallen heroes in these kinds of battles don't win wars.

Then you've missed the point of Batman. He's not your typical soldier. From what seen of the spy pics, Batman is leading the assault against Bane and his army to take Gotham back from his grip and iron fist.

Who's to say he'll die on the battlefield? You're basing this on speculation (just as much as we are) but you're 'assuming' Batman will meet his fate on the steps and his death will go unnoticed (meaningless).

Those who are following Bane will see it as a good thing. One pest is out of their way. Those on the brink of a melt-down will now fully join Bane since he's now their last chance and salvation.

Yes, we've speculated on this as well (some aspects of were confirmed).

Batman can die in a fight, he can die being a martyr. Same damn thing. He's dead. How does that exactly bring people together? Bane is dead - his army is still there. The city is still falling apart. In realistic terms, how does this end a city falling apart? How would two martyrs or one martyr stop Rome from falling?

According to the rumors, Batman will fail to stop Gotham from crumbling to the ground even after taking out Bane. So Batman's heroics (to a certain degree) will have been in vain. Not much else is known or clarified about Bane's army.

HOW DO YOU SAVE A CITY?

Now that is the real question. Bane dying just makes his army stronger. Batman dying is just a pro for Bane's gathering army and a further sign of loss for the people, even with Bane's death in motion. In order to save a city you need to give it a strong example to live up to. You need to give them hope. You need to give them a figure to stand behind. You need to let them know that someone is protecting them. That in the end the good guys win if you put your beliefs ahead of yourself.

Once again, you're predicting that Bane's army will still exist after the fall of Bane, and after Gotham's citizens and police department successfully take control of Gotham once more.

Batman dying does not enhance Bane's image. It only reinforces Batman's as a result of his grand sacrifice.

WHAT IS SO TEAR-JERKING ABOUT THAT???

Well, think about the world we live in today. Many are afraid to vote because they don't think their vote will count. I see more people scoffing at march on wallstreet than participating in it. I see people thinking we are doomed to this. This is the time where we really DO need a hero to help inspire us. The tear-jerking moment is seeing Gotham in the daytime rather than New York City at night.

And I honestly do believe we're going to see a 'reborn' Gotham City. The destruction of Gotham will be symbolic right down to the ashes. By the end of the film, we're going to witness a brighter city with a more hopeful future.

A couple interesting quotes:


"It does harken back to that notion that this guy is originated from great pain and he has to address that — but at what point does it become indulgence? The question is: how long do you allow pain to dominate your life? He has to try and answer that and move on."

"The way he brings it back to 'Batman Begins,' and really what Bruce Wayne discovers about himself, what he learns about himself at the end of this one."

I've come to a fair conclusion in life that in order to truly progress we must first put aside the demons of our past and rise above them to become the man / city we need to be.

No argument here. I fully agree. That said, Bruce in TDKR will not be that individual at the start of the film. He'll be a hollow shell of the former man he use to be... until Bane 'breaks' him. Only after the humiliation will Bruce rise to meet his challenge and conquer it.

Now does that illustrate a grim fate for Bruce? One can't be positive at this endeavor, but Bruce dying doesn't take anything away from this concept.
 
Unsure how a thing like legacy can be confirmed. You just need to see the power Bane has over his men. Which I have seen in full and thus can confirm from what I've seen.

Let's look back at the history. In the first film Batman is a myth. Then in the second film he's basically like bigfoot. We just know he's out there saving people. In the dark. Not really interacting with the people. When Joker makes the threat he has Harvey Dent go in his place and the people find this out. In the end Harvey is seen as a hero and Batman is seen as the villain. The people view Batman as a villain. They've lost their faith in him. This film has to see Batman's rise - it has to see him establishing the people's trust. You honestly think he's going to come back and they're going to welcome him with open arms after that? He needs to prove to them that he's a hero. You can't just lie to a city like that and expect no consequences. And Nolan is too good a film maker for something like that. Thomas and Martha Wayne's legacy is going to return.

Where else would he die? In the safety of a hospital? I'm figuring those saying he's going to die see him having a hero's death of one final last ditch resort.

Yeah, Gotham is definitely going to 'fall' no ifs or buts or doubts about that. For the metaphor and symmetry to work it needs to fall.

Bane's army doesn't seem to just be criminals. It seems to be the civilians as well.

Batman dying - as said - it's good for Bane and it causes the city to lose further hope. I didn't say improves Bane's image. I said they'll become more vulnerable. They'll become weaker. That's what a guy like Bane just needs to mold them. Weakness.

I'm pretty sure I implied already how far Bruce would be at the beginning. It's shown purely in it takes Gordon winding up in the hospital to inspire him to come back. Meaning he probably avoided something that happened.

I'm pretty sure 'moving on' and 'learns in the end' doesn't mean right before he dies. Lets use the metaphor and alignment again. The city falls and then it rises. Bruce would fall and then rise and then fall again. As said the way this trilogy has been set up is very odd... but in a good way... or in a classic way... the second is the fall of Batman. We never really properly got to see his rise. I know this will be controversial, but the Batman we need now is one who steps out of the shadows.]

Also it's not that him dying is grim, I just fail to see how it would have this world astounding impact when to the people he's just a man with cool toys who fights for good. No aliens or superhumans exist in this world so I fail to see how many seeing him in action would continue to believe he's supernatural in being. Mythic? Yes. Urban Legend? Definitely. Having powers beyond this world? With all the bat impersonators, pretty sure they've caught onto the notion that it is a man doing these things already.

Basically at this point, Batman is a hero to us and can be again. But, he's still a hero who has separated himself from the city and has made questionable decisions to them. Finally realizing what they need - it's just a leader who is honest with them.
 
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