The Dark Knight Rises How could the Lazarus pits work in Nolan's final batfilm?

[DACrowe]

The only reason I see to bring in the Lazarus Pit is if Ra's Al Ghul really returns for this film...and we don't know if that will happen yet (with an epic Bane and hopefully scen-stealing Catwoman, that's already a lot of villains). But if he does return and Bane is working for the League, they can use that to explain how first Ra's is back, second how Bane became so powerful (too much Lazarus) and lastly how Bruce physically healed so quickly (perhaps Miranda Tate is Talia and she decides to cure him? Or Selina does).

However, Jim's dialogue in the trailer suggests that Batman has been gone for sometime. That leads me to suspect that somewhere in the first act that Bane breaks Batman's back. The Lazarus Pit would heal him overnight, so I doubt it is in it, because he may have been gone for a year or two recovering. If that is the case, then there is no Pit, which further casts doubt on Ra's's return (or Miranda being Talia, thusly).

However, Bane doesn't need the Pit to explain his power (he can just be as dedicated as Batman and physically more imposing) nor is it needed to explain Batman's, seemingly long, recovery in the movie.

 

[dark_b]

if Nolan found a good way to fit the pit with Bruce's story it would give us epic scenes. Bruce rising up to fight back.
in the first movie he went down a hole. in the last movie he is climbing up into the light.

 

[The Joker]

However, Jim's dialogue in the trailer suggests that Batman has been gone for sometime. That leads me to suspect that somewhere in the first act that Bane breaks Batman's back. The Lazarus Pit would heal him overnight, so I doubt it is in it, because he may have been gone for a year or two recovering. If that is the case, then there is no Pit, which further casts doubt on Ra's's return (or Miranda being Talia, thusly).

I don't believe for a second that they are going to have Bane break Batman in the first act. It would have no emotional resonance to it. If Bane is going to actually break Batman, then their feud has to built up to it. Just like in Knightfall. You know it's coming and you anticipate it.

 

[DACrowe]

If Bane breaks him in the second act, there needs to be a Lazarus Pit for him to heal quickly. But then why would Gordon act like Batman disappeared for a long time? Just a big break over halfway through the movie? I dunno. I think Batman being broken by Bane causing him to retire for a little while as Gotham crumbles makes more sense than doing a "Batman No More" storyline as they already toyed with it in TDK and we've seen the superhero willingly give up the costume from overburdening enough already.

 

[Pagan]

Bane should be drugged up not healed by the pit. Same with Batman...well not drugged up sputtering batman but I dont want him healed by any lazarus pit. If they include a supernatural element now then they might as well have had mr freeze

the pits don't have to be supernatural in nature. there could be scientific explanations for them. say for instance the pits had a hot spring in which there lived microorganisms that repaired damaged cells much like stem cells.

these pits had been kept secret and protected by the LoS for hundreds of years.

 

[ModestMr.Green]

I haven't read Knightfall yet, but this discussion has made me wonder, how did they handle Bruce's absence or injury in the comics? Assuming that they did at all, of course, but Nolan's world is one where accountants can dig up enough info to make an attempt at blackmailing the Batman.

 

[DACrowe]

That's the biggest part of Knightfall. Bruce, oddly, leaves a character (whose name escapes me) in charge of the Batman mantle while he is gone and the character wears a metal, kind of robocop type Batsuit but goes insane and sees the ghost of his ancestors or something. He starts killing criminals and becomes a villain. Nightwing and Robin (Tim Drake) battle him with Oracle's help. Finally, Tim Drake convinces Bruce to come out of retirement as the new Batman is murdering mobsters and causing the crime structure of Gotham collapse into a vacuum and Catwoman played some role. Nightwing almost gets beaten to death, but Batman defeats his replacement in the batcave and reassumes his mantle.

It's been a long time since I read the book.

 

[DarkKnight FTW]

That's the biggest part of Knightfall. Bruce, oddly, leaves a character (whose name escapes me) in charge of the Batman mantle while he is gone and the character wears a metal, kind of robocop type Batsuit but goes insane and sees the ghost of his ancestors or something. He starts killing criminals and becomes a villain. Nightwing and Robin (Tim Drake) battle him with Oracle's help. Finally, Tim Drake convinces Bruce to come out of retirement as the new Batman is murdering mobsters and causing the crime structure of Gotham collapse into a vacuum and Catwoman played some role. Nightwing almost gets beaten to death, but Batman defeats his replacement in the batcave and reassumes his mantle.

It's been a long time since I read the book.

John Paul Valley aka Azrael

 

[BatScot]

To answer the question, it couldn't. There is no reasonable explanation—natural or scientific—that could account for the existence of a substance with the capacity to restore life to a corpse. It is simply not possible within the "world as we know it" context Nolan has established as the framework for these Batman films. This is not to say that it couldn't be made to work—anything can be made to work in a fiction—but as long as the question is phrased with in Nolan's film then anything so completely supernatural or so beyond our reach at this point in time so as to appear supernatural is, frankly, a cop out.

 

[The Guard]

Maybe the Lazarus Pit is just a pit. That Bane climbs out of to umm...be "reborn"?

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Josh Pence is shown rising from the Lazarus Pit and makes Bruce believe that he is Ra's Al Ghul rejuvenated and made young. Hell have Bruce see Neeson's body be put in and then Pence rises out of nowhere.

It's a trick but the audience and Bruce are made to believe it's magic.
Then Bruce takes a dip himself and finds himself healthy because it's unique type of hot spring with certain chemicals that seep through your skin and strengthen muscle tissue

 

[TheBatman072]

Josh Pence is shown rising from the Lazarus Pit and makes Bruce believe that he is Ra's Al Ghul rejuvenated and made young. Hell have Bruce see Neeson's body be put in and then Pence rises out of nowhere.

It's a trick but the audience and Bruce are made to believe it's magic.
Then Bruce takes a dip himself and finds himself healthy because it's unique type of hot spring with certain chemicals that seep through your skin and strengthen muscle tissue

 

[Pagan]

To answer the question, it couldn't. There is no reasonable explanation—natural or scientific—that could account for the existence of a substance with the capacity to restore life to a corpse. It is simply not possible within the "world as we know it" context Nolan has established as the framework for these Batman films. This is not to say that it couldn't be made to work—anything can be made to work in a fiction—but as long as the question is phrased with in Nolan's film then anything so completely supernatural or so beyond our reach at this point in time so as to appear supernatural is, frankly, a cop out.

I don't think Nolan would go as far as having it completely restore a corpse to life. but healing grievous injuries and slowing the aging effect would be within the scope of his hyper realistic Batverse.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

I miss the days when people would actually give a decent response as opposed to posting a snarky comic as if this was an image board.

 

[Texas Zombie]

I think seeing Ra's rise from a lazuras would blow my mind, ughhhhhhhhh, holy sh#$@#%@%$%@$%$!!!!!!!!!

I really don't expect to see the lazuras, but if we do, it wont bother me.
Its really all in its delivery.


I do think the idea of a fountain of youth is absurd.
Which is really what lazuras are based off, but it could make the movie... the movie to see, if done correctly and significantly enough to the plot.

 

[JAK®]

I miss the days when people would actually give a decent response as opposed to posting a snarky comic as if this was an image board.

 

[TheBatman072]

We have our differences Jak, but that was ****ing funny.

 

[KalMart]

Maybe it's not a Lazarus pit but a big mudhole where Batman and Bane have a final battle...like with the mutant leader in the DKR comic.

Or Maybe Al Ghul is still alive and goes into the pit...and emerges as....Bane!!


Um......yeah......

 

[Paradox1]

Just because something magical or a supernatural hasn't been introduced in the Nolan movie doesn't mean it can't exist within that movieverse. Have they at any point completely denied or dismissed the supernatural or magical aspects of Batman's world? If not then the Lazarus Pit could be introduced and basically have the same function as in the comic which is slow down the aging process. BTW I heard Liam Nesson was returning for this film or was that story later proved false?

Edit: He is returning as Ra's according to IMDB

 

[ultimatefan]

To put it simply, the same way the fear gas worked, or the batmobile worked. There is a tendency to put way too much weight on what Nolan means by realism, which is just making the world of Batman gritty, and as plausible as possible, but not this semi-documentary reality some try to label it, usually as an excuse to make their petty nitpicks about Batman not wearing gray tights or the batmobile having no fins sound somehow more meaningful than they really are. So.when he makes something more grounded, he´s "killing the fun", "betraying the source material", and when he goes a little more out there he´s "betraying his vision".

 

[TheBatman072]

Just because something magical or a supernatural hasn't been introduced in the Nolan movie doesn't mean it can't exist within that movieverse. Have they at any point completely denied or dismissed the supernatural or magical aspects of Batman's world? If not then the Lazarus Pit could be introduced and basically have the same function as in the comic which is slow down the aging process. BTW I heard Liam Nesson was returning for this film or was that story later proved false?

Edit: He is returning as Ra's according to IMDB

Because IMDB is always so reliable.

Rumor has it that he was on set for one day. Which means, if he was filming, he filmed ONE scene. And that scene will probably be a flashback.

 

[KalMart]

To put it simply, the same way the fear gas worked, or the batmobile worked. There is a tendency to put way too much weight on what Nolan means by realism, which is just making the world of Batman gritty, and as plausible as possible, but not this semi-documentary reality some try to label it, usually as an excuse to make their petty nitpicks about Batman not wearing gray tights or the batmobile having no fins sound somehow more meaningful than they really are. So.when he makes something more grounded, he´s "killing the fun", "betraying the source material", and when he goes a little more out there he´s "betraying his vision".

So is it okay to have the Lazarus pit be a medicinal bath of flower extracts and minerals that gently nourish and exfoliate, with the fumes having a hallucinatory effect when inhaled, making the bather think that he's actually younger?

 

[ALP]

So is it okay to have the Lazarus pit be a medicinal bath of flower extracts and minerals that gently nourish and exfoliate, with the fumes having a hallucinatory effect when inhaled, making the bather think that he's actually younger?

I lol'd.

Bane: I'll take the lazarus facial and pedicure.

 

[KalMart]

I lol'd.

Bane: I'll take the lazarus facial and pedicure.

Al Ghul: It does wonders for the pores.

 

[Nevincer]

Who on earth bumped this topic? There's clearly no Lazarus Pit in the film at this rate.