The Dark Knight Rises How could the Lazarus pits work in Nolan's final batfilm?

[djshankalicious]

Looking at some of these responses I think that the lazarus pits could actually be used to good effect. Although I think the LoS rumour isn't at all satisfying, if they were to be included, as filming pictures and casting rumours suggeest, then I think the lazarus pit would be a way of truly embracing the mythos of the organisation, and as many people have suggested it is possible to BS some sort of explanation
a lot of people seem to think that anyone who talks about Nolan's realism presumes his batfilms are the most realstic thing possible but this isn't true, not on my case at least, I just think that we cannot deny the fact that Nolan is at the very least attempting to offer realistic explanations for scenarios which in the comic books would not have needed explanation, e.g. the origins of the tumbler

 

[Travesty]

What about the microwave emitter that vaporises water in BB? I haven't seen any real life military use that weapon.

Watch the BB extras. The military has them.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Me neither.

What I was trying to get at, isn't the concept of that microwave emitter C02 vaporizer is in the fantasy realm as well?

 

[The Joker]

Fear gas is a hallucinogen, it causes you to experience fear and paranoia. There are several real life drugs that do similar things.

A microwave emitter that vaporises water is also theoretically possible. They messed up by not having the microwave have a negative effect on humans, but that's movie science for you.

Phones emit signals, and they do have the capacity to track your location, TDK stretched those facts by making them emit sonar.

There is no real life equivalent of the Lazarus pit. The pit is pure magic, and has always been presented as magic. It's a different thing entirely.

Bravo. Well said.

What I was trying to get at, isn't the concept of that microwave emitter C02 vaporizer is in the fantasy realm as well?

Indeed it is, sir. But not nearly as outrageous as the Lazarus pit.

 

[JAK®]

What I was trying to get at, isn't the concept of that microwave emitter C02 vaporizer is in the fantasy realm as well?

No, at least not in the same vein of bringing people back from the dead.

 

[Pagan]

The Dark Knight Rises (out of the Lazarus Pit)
http://www.ifitsmovies.com/2011/05/first-set-photos-from-the-dark-knight-rises-leaked/

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Watch the BB extras. The military has them.

Will do. I did not know that.

Indeed it is, sir.

Mmmkay.

No, at least not in the same vein of bringing people back from the dead.

Really? Wouldn't the vaporizer kill all the humans as well since the human body is made of 80% of water?

Ugh never mind, you know what? I'm really confounded, I'm not even sure what this argument was about to begin with or the point I was trying to get across. t:




BTW, I really dislike your avvy, it freaks me out!

 

[Motown Marvel]

whether or not there can be a combination of chemicals that can prolong life is unknown. the idea of this being possible seems ridiculous to us today. but pretty much all of our medical sciences today would have been considered just as impossible a hundred years ago.

but a device that can turn a city's cell phones into sonar devices is sheer magic. that would only be possible with appropriate hardware being individually installed into each phone. and i dont think thats something batman did off camera in TDK.

lazarus pits are implausible. batman's magic sonar box is impossible. thats the difference.

 

[breyfogle_rules]

Nolan can do whatever the hell he wants to. And he will.

Think about it this way: The beauty of "The Prestige" was that it was grounded in reality, then took a bizarre sci-fi turn.

In fact, most of his movies do that. I think we're ready for a lazarus pit. I know I am.

People said magic and fantasy wouldn't work in Iron Man's world. I saw Thor last night. Best comic book movie yet... imo.

 

[JAK®]

lazarus pits are implausible. batman's magic sonar box is impossible. thats the difference.

No, they are both impossible. There are no means available where you can dip someone into goo and have them come out transformed into a younger, healthy version of themselves.

The difference with the sonar phones, however, is that is based on similar technology within phones. Phones transmit signals, and TDK pushed that further by having a machine use them as sonar.

Also, read this article;

http://rt.com/usa/news/iphone-tracks-every-movement/

 

[Motown Marvel]

the only way a phone could emit sonar waves to create sonar images is if it has a sonar device implanted in it. cell phones do not have those.

a mix of chemicals that can prolong life is more possible.

 

[JAK®]

the only way a phone could emit sonar waves to create sonar images is if it has a sonar device implanted in it. cell phones do not have those.

But they do transmit signals. The sonar machine in TDK used that fact to justify something that cannot occur in real life. But it makes sense in the universe the film portrays.

The Lazarus Pit, however, is outright magic. There is no real-world equivalent that you could use to justify it's existence.

 

[souvlaki]

I understand the idea behind using Pence as a younger Ra's and why the Lazarus Pit might make him younger, but I've gotta be honest. If they are using the pit to bring Ra's back it was a huge missed opportunity to not just bring Liam Neeson back. I was cool with Pence as Ra's if it was going to be simply flashbacks but if you are literally bringing him back to life it seems kind of half ***ed to not even bring back the actor that portrayed him, especially when you consider that that actor is Liam Neeson. There has never been anything in the mythos to indicate that the pit makes a person look thirty years younger. Ra's generally looks exactly the same after he uses the pit.

 

[Motown Marvel]

But they do transmit signals. The sonar machine in TDK used that fact to justify something that cannot occur in real life. But it makes sense in the universe the film portrays.

The Lazarus Pit, however, is outright magic. There is no real-world equivalent that you could use to justify it's existence.

they do transmit signals, yes. but you cant have sonar imagery without a device emitting sonar waves. and you cant just turn a cell phone signal into a sonar wave. the technology to do that is magic.

the lazarus pit takes a dying person and rejuvenates them back to health. it wouldnt be hard to B.S. plausible science for that.

 

[Angelus_Darko]

IF the thing in the photos is really the Lazarus Pit, I think of two options:

- Lazarus Pit being something like a baptism pile, maybe the last part of the LOS "graduation", something that Bruce never got to see because... well, you know, the whole "what is necessary, my friend" deal. That or something like "the ones that are worthy of being the next Ra's Al Ghul when the time is required shall get inside this pit for the final purification".

- As some of you say, that it's a pit with some kind of healing properties and maybe that is what Bane uses instead of venom.

Just making wild guesses here.

 

[JAK®]

they do transmit signals, yes. but you cant have sonar imagery without a device emitting sonar waves. and you cant just turn a cell phone signal into a sonar wave. the technology to do that is magic.

the lazarus pit takes a dying person and rejuvenates them back to health. it wouldnt be hard to B.S. plausible science for that.

But the two things are entirely different. Turning phone signals into sonar is just bad science. The Lazarus pit is pure fantasy.

 

[Pagan]

I understand the idea behind using Pence as a younger Ra's and why the Lazarus Pit might make him younger, but I've gotta be honest. If they are using the pit to bring Ra's back it was a huge missed opportunity to not just bring Liam Neeson back. I was cool with Pence as Ra's if it was going to be simply flashbacks but if you are literally bringing him back to life it seems kind of half ***ed to not even bring back the actor that portrayed him, especially when you consider that that actor is Liam Neeson. There has never been anything in the mythos to indicate that the pit makes a person look thirty years younger. Ra's generally looks exactly the same after he uses the pit.

I don't think they're bringing Ra's back. I think that even the Lazarus pit has it's limitations. Ra's body was destroyed in the crash. far beyond the repair capabilities of the pit. so I think the young Ra's is just in flashbacks.
I think the pit will be used to fix a broken Bruce after Bane has his way with him. That Talia wants him to succeed her father as the new Ra's and leader of the LOS. the way I see it going down is that Talia in her secret identity becomes romantically involved with Bruce. She's trying to get pregnant by him in hopes that it will make his becoming the leader of the LOS and ruling with her at his side and raising a son would be the ticket. Bane otoh has it out for the LOS and Talia because of their past. He has a blood debt to pay the family of Al Ghul. So he goes after Talia, Bats gets in the way and gets hurt. Talia takes him to the pit and fixes him. Bats then takes down Bane. Talia realizes he'll never leave Gotham and rule the LOS with her. So she fakes a miscarriage and leaves to raise the son on her own with Bruce not knowing.

 

[souvlaki]

I don't think they're bringing Ra's back. I think that even the Lazarus pit has it's limitations. Ra's body was destroyed in the crash. far beyond the repair capabilities of the pit. so I think the young Ra's is just in flashbacks.
I think the pit will be used to fix a broken Bruce after Bane has his way with him. That Talia wants him to succeed her father as the new Ra's and leader of the LOS.

I'd be down with this, but only if when they explain the power of the Lazarus Pit they mention that it kept Ra's alive for hundreds of years. If you are going to go as far as including the Lazarus Pit it's kind of a tease to not include that part of the mythology.

 

[Lord]

But the two things are entirely different. Turning phone signals into sonar is just bad science. The Lazarus pit is pure fantasy.

There are some chemicals that may have that effect, but turning back to youth is unproven, but the lazarus pit can be something different, now i thought of another possible finalle, Batman achieves imortality

 

[antsman41]

The Dark Knight Rises from the pit to take down Bane...

 

[Motown Marvel]

But the two things are entirely different. Turning phone signals into sonar is just bad science. The Lazarus pit is pure fantasy.

the lazarus pit is fantasy, but you can put theoretical science behind it to justify its plausibility.

the same cannot be said for the end of TDK.

 

[JAK®]

the lazarus pit is fantasy, but you can put theoretical science behind it to justify its plausibility.

the same cannot be said for the end of TDK.

Please tell me how fudging science to change what we know about mobile phones is less realistic than outright claiming that a magical pit can bring people back from the dead.

 

[djshankalicious]

I don't think they're bringing Ra's back. I think that even the Lazarus pit has it's limitations. Ra's body was destroyed in the crash. far beyond the repair capabilities of the pit. so I think the young Ra's is just in flashbacks.
I think the pit will be used to fix a broken Bruce after Bane has his way with him. That Talia wants him to succeed her father as the new Ra's and leader of the LOS. the way I see it going down is that Talia in her secret identity becomes romantically involved with Bruce. She's trying to get pregnant by him in hopes that it will make his becoming the leader of the LOS and ruling with her at his side and raising a son would be the ticket. Bane otoh has it out for the LOS and Talia because of their past. He has a blood debt to pay the family of Al Ghul. So he goes after Talia, Bats gets in the way and gets hurt. Talia takes him to the pit and fixes him. Bats then takes down Bane. Talia realizes he'll never leave Gotham and rule the LOS with her. So she fakes a miscarriage and leaves to raise the son on her own with Bruce not knowing.

I like this idea, how close to the comics is it? I have not read many comics featuring Bane, and obviously am aware that Batman has a son with Talia, and that batman doesn't get healed by the pit etc but is the rest taken straight from the plot of a comic book? Or is it original enough with aspects of various stories to be used by Nolan?

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Why are people trying to say that the Lazarus Pits are inherently unrealistic? They are actually not only plausible, but possible too.

Every cell in your body contains your entire genetic code that describes you entirely. Now each if these cells has a protective case around it, like the bits on shoelaces. This is called Telomorase. Every time a cell divides you lose a little bit of it. Fortunately there is enough of it to grow you into a full human being and pass in your genes (about 20 years worth), however then your supply still gets depleted and you age and be one weaker, as apposed to when you became stronger when ageing up to your physical peak. If Telomorase can be introduced into the cells and cellular regeneration technologies can be mastered then humans can have indefinite lifespans. All you have to say is this is a place on earth where it can occur naturally.

The Fear Gas is FAR less plausible and the Microwave emitter is nigh impossible to perfect.

 

[Secret Fawful]

Please tell me how fudging science to change what we know about mobile phones is less realistic than outright claiming that a magical pit can bring people back from the dead.

No. Tell me why the hell anyone should have to bother explaining anything to you. Nolan will just end up doing it better than anyone here could anyway, so why don't you just wait and see in Summer 2012 and quit asking questions no one has real answers to.