The Dark Knight Rises How could the Lazarus pits work in Nolan's final batfilm?

[HighFivingMF]

Um, do you have trouble remembering what you posted?

The examples I provided were excess yet you pretty much claimed the opposite.

What he meant: Nolan does use CG when absolutely necessary. Green water is something easily done without CG, so it's not necessary.

 

[JAK®]

Um, do you have trouble remembering what you posted? Obviously you missed the point.

The examples I provided were excess yet you pretty much claimed the opposite.

Using CGI for hallucinations, gigantic flocks of bats in an urban setting and simple set extensions are not examples of excessive CGI. You're just being pedantic.

 

[Rocketman]

Has anyone considered that Josh Pence isn't playing a young Liam Neeson, but rather, Josh Pence is playing a young Ra's Al Ghul, and "Ra's Al Ghul" is a name given to the League of Shadows' new leader? Example, Obama, Bush, Clinton all with the title "President."

In other words, Josh Pence isn't playing the LIAM NEESON RA'S AL GHUL... he's playing a singular Ra's Al Ghul who was the leader of his own time... and if he's being spotted on set in India with Christian Bale, how could Josh Pence and Christian Bale be on set together WITHOUT a Lazarus Pit?

Just saying... it can't be both. It's either one or the other. Either we have a Lazarus Pit, or we have Josh Pence as the NEW Ra's after Neeson's Ra's was killed.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Only David Ficher can get away with excessive cgi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT491ctM8Kk

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Just saying... it can't be both. It's either one or the other.

Bale visiting the same place we see the Ras' flashback in? It can EASILY be both.

 

[djshankalicious]

Has anyone considered the possibility that the League simply thinks the Lazarus Pit works? Like Ras Al Ghul is a moniker attached to each new heir to the throne? They are placed in the pit to "transfer souls" so to speak? Could explain why both Josh and Christian are on set..This is the new Ras Al Ghul..and given the resemblance, or some other plot point..Bruce has to question whether or not it's actually possible the lazarus pit works, or whether it's just a religious belief so to speak. Perhaps the new Ras knows things that seem impossible or something.

I don't know..just a friendly suggestion! I think odds are Nolan's got something up his sleeve. He wants us to think one thing from the set pictures..Could potentially be a mislead..(not to say the set isn't real, just that we aren't seeing it in the elaborate context he's built)

love this idea, having the league of shadows as 'religious' fanatics is differerent but I can see it really fitting in with Nolan's world, and it also allows Nolan to give Ra's one of his signature aspects without having to anger the section of fans who place realism at the presidence of the his trilogy (not that Nolan adheres to what fans want of course)
another idea I was thinking in relation to the LoS was if maybe the film starts with batman having to take down the league of shadows now it has it's new leader (your theory would come into play here, Josh Pence could claim that he is Liam neeson ressurected etc,) this just provides another outlet for Batman's mental exaustion, with the GCPD and the sudden threat of LoS out to get him, it could pave the way for a grand entrace of Bane a third of the way into the movie, after batman has exausted himself defeating this crazy new Ra's. I am pretty bad at explaining myself but in my head this would be a good way of using the league of shadows, lazarus pit etc without having to somehow integrate Bane into the organisation we thought we saw the end of in Begins

 

[Mister Meddle]

Using CGI for hallucinations, gigantic flocks of bats in an urban setting and simple set extensions are not examples of excessive CGI. You're just being pedantic.

Not true. CG was used frequently in the film (BB) whether it was small details, modify images or even in large portion during action. Do you even know what the word excess means? Unless excess (in Jak's personal opinion) is something like Avatar?

What he meant: Nolan does use CG when absolutely necessary. Green water is something easily done without CG, so it's not necessary.

Obviously Nolan feels this is necessary. Or else why would there be a green screen? It's easy to make green water but I'm assuming there's some effect he'd like to get for the visuals, that's if the Lazarus pit will make it in the film.

 

[JAK®]

Has anyone considered that Josh Pence isn't playing a young Liam Neeson, but rather, Josh Pence is playing a young Ra's Al Ghul, and "Ra's Al Ghul" is a name given to the League of Shadows' new leader? Example, Obama, Bush, Clinton all with the title "President."

In other words, Josh Pence isn't playing the LIAM NEESON RA'S AL GHUL... he's playing a singular Ra's Al Ghul who was the leader of his own time... and if he's being spotted on set in India with Christian Bale, how could Josh Pence and Christian Bale be on set together WITHOUT a Lazarus Pit?

Just saying... it can't be both. It's either one or the other. Either we have a Lazarus Pit, or we have Josh Pence as the NEW Ra's after Neeson's Ra's was killed.

How about we have no idea if Bale and Pence even share a scene, and that multiple scenes are being filmed in that location, with some scenes set in the past featuring Josh Pence as a young Ra's, and other scenes with Bruce visiting in the present?

 

[JAK®]

Not true. CG was used frequently in the film (BB) whether it was small details, modify images or even in large portion. Do you even know what the word excess means? Unless excess (in Jak's personal opinion) is something like Avatar?

I know what the word excess means. It seems you don't.

 

[Mister Meddle]

I know what the word excess means. It seems you don't.

Well somebody didn't watch the BB extras or you're simply having trouble reading my posts. Unless, like I said, you only consider excessive to be something like Avatar

 

[Rocketman]

How about we have no idea if Bale and Pence even share a scene, and that multiple scenes are being filmed in that location, with some scenes set in the past featuring Josh Pence as a young Ra's, and other scenes with Bruce visiting in the present?

Bale visiting the same place we see the Ras' flashback in? It can EASILY be both.

Nahhh. Something's fishy.

 

[Travesty]

Has anyone considered that Josh Pence isn't playing a young Liam Neeson, but rather, Josh Pence is playing a young Ra's Al Ghul, and "Ra's Al Ghul" is a name given to the League of Shadows' new leader? Example, Obama, Bush, Clinton all with the title "President."

In other words, Josh Pence isn't playing the LIAM NEESON RA'S AL GHUL... he's playing a singular Ra's Al Ghul who was the leader of his own time... and if he's being spotted on set in India with Christian Bale, how could Josh Pence and Christian Bale be on set together WITHOUT a Lazarus Pit?

Just saying... it can't be both. It's either one or the other. Either we have a Lazarus Pit, or we have Josh Pence as the NEW Ra's after Neeson's Ra's was killed.

I've had that theory ever since Begins came out, but I never stuck to it that much, just something I would consider. But for some reason, I think it'll be used as a flashback scene of a young Ras/Ducard.

 

[JAK®]

Well somebody didn't watch the BB extras Unless, like I said, you only consider excessive to be something like Avatar

The fact that CGI was used is not evidence for excessive use. Please explain how you could film a massive flock of bats, in an urban setting, all heading in the direction you want them to go, practically?

Did you not know that extending scenery with CGI is one of the most basic uses of CGI in modern film making?

Films like Iron Man and Thor have twice as much CGI and they're still not excessive.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Edit.

 

[Nevincer]

Nahhh. Something's fishy.

Even though it was explicitly stated with the announcement of Pence's casting that he'd be in a flashback scene taking place 30 years in the past? Doesn't seem fishy to me that there'd be a flashback scene.

 

[Rocketman]

We'll see.

 

[hatebox]

Christ, I've been away a while but are there really people complaining about too much CGI when we don't even know what this is?

 

[Travesty]

The fact that CGI was used is not evidence for excessive use. Please explain how you could film a massive flock of bats, in an urban setting, all heading in the direction you want them to go, practically?

Did you not know that extending scenery with CGI is one of the most basic uses of CGI in modern film making?

Films like Iron Man and Thor have twice as much CGI and they're still not excessive.

I can see what he's saying, and I can see what you and PPP are saying, as well. But let me just say give this theory: IF it happens to be the pit, maybe he needs to use CG, because it won't just be some "bubbling water", but some cool looking stuff that could potentially transform the person in it, which of course, you need the green screen tech for that. Maybe the water will kind of dance and wrap itself around the person in it, to revitalize whoever steps in, and transform them into a younger person?

Just a theory.......

 

[JAK®]

I can see what he's saying, and I can see what you and PPP are saying, as well. But let me just say give this theory: IF it happens to be the pit, maybe he needs to use CG, because it won't just be some "bubbling water", but some cool looking stuff that could potentially transform the person in it, which of course, you need the green screen tech for that. Maybe the water will kind of dance and wrap itself around the person in it, to revitalize whoever steps in, and transform them into a younger person?

Just a theory.......

Yeah I don't think using CGI on the pit itself is excessive, I just disagree with Mister Meddle's beliefs on what counts as excessive CGI.

 

[Nevincer]

Christ, I've been away a while but are there really people complaining about too much CGI when we don't even know what this is?

No, the argument is whether it actually is the Lazarus Pit seeing as there's a green screen involved and that could easily be done with practical effects. People aren't complaining about Nolan using too much CGI, it's just unlikely he'd require a CGI Lazarus Pit which would rule out the idea of it actually being one.

 

[KRIM]

Well, the green screen is outside. For an exterior shot like that, it would be a lot easier to CGI the required area instead of digging a big hole and filling water inside it.

 

[Mister Meddle]

Yeah I don't think using CGI on the pit itself is excessive, I just disagree with Mister Meddle's beliefs on what counts as excessive CGI.

So wait, if you don't consider a CGI pit as excessive then what was your point.... ? When Pete claimed having a computerized version of Lazarus pit is excessive I provided a number of examples where just as much, if not, more CG was used in the Nolan films. For a second there I was wondering why the hell is this guy bringing up Iron Man if the post you originally responded to was about Lazarus pit. I'm guessing you did not bother to read the post I quoted earlier. Either that or you're just having one hell of a slow day.

 

[Vile]

What if they combine the Lazarus Pit AND venom! Perhaps Ra's injects Venom-Lazarus and hulks out into Bane!




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Just sayin'.

 

[JAK®]

So wait, if you don't consider a CGI pit as excessive then what was your point.... ? When Pete claimed having a computerized version of Lazarus pit is excessive I provided a number of examples where just as much, if not, more CG was used in the Nolan films. For a second there I was wondering why the hell is this guy bringing up Iron Man if the post you originally responded to was about Lazarus pit. I'm guessing you did not bother to read the post I quoted earlier.

Let me explain it in the simplest of terms.

Paste Pot Pete thinks using CGI for the Lazarus Pit is excessive. I disagree with this. But he justifies his opinion by bringing up how Nolan does not use a lot of CGI. I agree with that.

You come along and say, "actually, Nolan does use CGI". That was not Paste Pot Pete's point. You give examples of him using CGI. I say that those examples don't count as excessive CGI.

That's where the disagreement lies. Your claim that the instances Nolan has used CGI are excessive.

I have not misunderstood anything. You, however, have demonstrated multiple levels of misunderstanding.

 

[Mister Meddle]

Let me explain it in the simplest of terms.

Paste Pot Pete thinks using CGI for the Lazarus Pit is excessive. I disagree with this. But he justifies his opinion by bringing up how Nolan does not use a lot of CGI. I agree with that.

You come along and say, "actually, Nolan does use CGI". That was not Paste Pot Pete's point. You give examples of him using CGI. I say that those examples don't count as excessive CGI.

That's where the disagreement lies. Your claim that the instances Nolan has used CGI are excessive.

I have not misunderstood anything. You, however, have demonstrated multiple levels of misunderstanding.

Once again, Jak, you're greatly misunderstanding. You're literally twisting all of my words, taking them by the throat & creating your own discussion that is irrelevant to my point. Look at the importance of your topic you're arguing about.... it has very little importance. It's laughable. You said you don't consider a CG pit excessive. Same here. You agree with my main point. However Pete disagrees. He believes it's excess however I provided many examples to prove that is not necessarily out of the ordinary. It's just an example of Jak taking someone's words so literal. Of course you're not going to admit it and you're going to keep driving on the same route. I'm not talking about Iron Man or Avatar here, Jak. This is all about me defending the use of a CG pit in the Nolanverse because I want to see it in the film.