How do you feel about/cope with Death?

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Every so often, usually at night..including tonight...mortality just sort of rears its head out of nowhere and the reality of life being finite hits me. I'm sure I'm not alone in this...going about my life not thinking about it, only to have it flare up in my mind like the inescapable fact it truly is.

If there's a thread for this topic already, feel free to redirect and such, but I was wondering how people feel about death and the inevitability of it.

Are you scared? Are you not? Do you think of it often or not at all?

It's not my intention to be too morbid or to dwell, but it's something we all come to terms with, or perhaps not, in our own way...whether we accept its forthcoming, resent it, cope with it, use it to fuel our sense of living...I don't know.

I just felt like opening the floor to discussion if people felt like sharing their thoughts.
 
Death is as much a part of life as anything else.

I’ve seen very close loved ones die before their time. My Mum and Dad, and a brother.
Each time I felt broken beyond repair, especially when my Mum passed.

But guess what? I made it through it all, simply due to the passage of time and having a wonderful daughter of my own.

With my advancing years, I’m currently 53. I must say that I am aware there are probably fewer days ahead than behind.
This does play on my mind sometimes, because I feel I have not yet done everything that I can and would like to do with my life.
And sometimes the thought of the event of my death does worry me from time to time.
Simply because the thought of going into nothingess scares me.
I’m not one that believes in an afterlife or reincarnation.
Perhaps it would make it easier if I did, but for better or worse, I am a logical man.
 
When I was younger, like most I guess I didn't dwell on it much. My grandfather, my father's father, died when I was six and then for about a good five years or so a lot of my family members that were related to my grandmother, my mother's mother (85 and still kicking I might add) died in short succession. I knew some well others not so much. I then entered a phase that I guess I would call a long period where death in my life personally faded a bit. Of course there were still deaths in the family and among friends but it was accepted and part of life at that point, though again looking back, I wasn't as preoccupied with it, and I can't say I am now either but when I do think on the matter it's with a lot more I guess, depth, than I used to.

A big thing that colors my views these days is I guess that I have totally and completely abandoned the Catholic faith of my youth. I am much more influenced by Eastern philosophy and non-religious Western philosophic thought and the reality of science these days. So, being very sanguine about it I don't give much credit to the idea that I or anyone else exists consciously in any form after we die. I will say... This gives me no comfort. I don't care what any atheist tells you, this is part of the deal when you reject the idea of an afterlife and God. You are now left on your own with no sense or feeling of a divine presence and the promise of something after death and it is... Unsettling. I wish more atheists would admit to it. It does call into question lots of things that were just accepted and unquestioned before I left the church.

That's not to say I don't feel life is precious or has no value, but some ultimate, objective meaning? I just don't see it that way, and if I am frank... I think such thing are the illusions the self clings to. But we all cling to a wide variety of illusions in this world so thinking on death isn't gonna be immune.

As said... I didn't give a lot of deep thought on death for a long time. Then I got a double whammy in a short period. My mother got diagnosed with breast cancer. It was treated with chemo therapy and eventually she had a double mastectomy. This went on for a couple of years and it was just at the time I thought, the toughest thing I had ever experienced. There were moments of real despair, and yet... I had what I thought was a calculated sense of hope that it was possible she would make it through it all. Mom lived and we thought we were out of the woods. Then, literally a week after my mother had finished the last of her reconstruction surgery my father got diagnosed with cancer. Much worse than mom. Lung, liver and pancreas. I still hoped all through my father's treatment but unlike my mother this was blind hope. In the pit of my being I knew that it wasn't going to end the same and whether it was just 50/50 blind luck, I turned out right. People I had known and loved had died before but... This was different. Dad had buried his mother seven years earlier. I remember walking home from her funereal with my father. He said to me, "You know... This makes me think about how much time left I have now..." and he said it with this look on his face like he was grappling with the nature of the universe itself. Once it was clear dad wasn't going to make it I was just torn between an almost borderline madness and a melancholy yet Zen like acceptance of this as a reality. Which interestingly when I think on it was a bit like dad himself. I remember when at the hospital my dad refused last rites from an armed services chaplain (he had been in the 101st Airborne) and his atheism or at least his lack of faith in the church and it's belief was expressed in such a crystal clear way. My dad never talked much about that side of him but he had made it known to me a few times that in his view, the church and I suppose by extension, God, had never put food in his belly or clothes on his back. He owed them nothing and vice versa in his eyes.


So in a short time death became a daily factor in my everyday life for about four years in a way it had never really been before. And I can't say I learned any deep insights actually but in regards to my father's death it certainly focused my sense of control over my emotions as there were days I just wanted to do nothing more than and rip off all my clothes, go running into the woods and scream at the universe. That of course would be... less than optimal.


And even though dad was dead, life for the rest of us had to go on. We had a funereal to plan after all. My mother and father had been in love since they were teens in high school. My mother's mother had accepted my father wholeheartedly as a son in all ways but blood. These two women were in no position to be putting up with my indulgence of grief and sorrow. They needed me to be there and be strong as they dealt with their grief. And above all... I know without even a second thought that is what my father would expect of me. I didn't think in terms of him being out there looking at me through the veil of life and death. Now he existed only in my memory but on that level I still didn't want to disappoint the memory. We made the plans and we held his funereal over two days. One night at the funereal home and church services (mom, raised Catholic insisted as was her right) the next day. My mother asked me, the atheist, to give the eulogy.

What followed was oddly and counterintuitively, one of the most richly "spiritual" and enriching experiences of my life. We held the funeral at the same place I had seen my grandfather laid out when I was six. Family from all over Brooklyn and across the country came. My brother and I greeted everyone, which was just a blur, though everyone says that I did okay. Then as it got later in the evening my mother asked people to come up and speak their hearts about my father. This lasted very late. There were laughs, there were tears there was great grief and great love expressed. I went home and tried to come up with something to say at the church given what my mother had asked of me. I tried, oh how I tried to come up with something. Nothing came to me. Nothing. Nothing inspired me, nothing seemed right... I was worried I would spend all night trying to come up with a half assed speech and then only get a little rest and go to church looking and feeling worse than I already did when I couldn't really afford either. I did some yoga, some martial arts training and suddenly it hit me. The thought occurred to me that despite my love for this man in the grand scheme his simply goodness was never really ever going to be memorialized. "They will not build a monument to this man." I wrote that down. I thought on what that meant. I had my premise. The rest would flow without thinking. I didn't need to write a single thing down as long as I kept that thought, that idea. They would not build a monument to my father. A weight was lifted. I trashed any of the writing I had done at that point. I got into bed and knew that I could improvise that eulogy on the spot. And the next day at St. Michael's Catholic church on 4th Avenue in Sunset Park Brooklyn I did just that. My mother and my father's families came in enough numbers to fill out that church to about half it's capacity. My brother, myself and various cousins and family friends were the pallbearers. As a former member of the armed services my father had an American flag draped over his coffin and an honor guard folded it and gave it to my mother as they played Taps. It was afterwards as people came to greet me after my speech that truly both crushed my "soul" and yet lifted my heart at the same time.

"I owe everything to your father."

"If it wasn't for your father I wouldn't have a home right now."

"Your father helped me when no one else would."

"I have a job today because of your father."

"Your father was like a father to me."

And on and on, and on... Look I knew that my father was a good guy. But this blew my mind. There was all of this stuff that I had zero idea about. Funnily it made me think about how my mom would always be on my dad about falling asleep on the couch when I was a little kid when something needed to be done around the house that only he could do. Now I though "Well of course dad was always catching a nap and lazing around... He was always helping somebody else out." The kicker came when a long time friend of my mother's youngest sister came up to me and my mom as we were getting ready to leave for the wake after the mass. "Judy" he said to my mom in his undeniable Brooklyn accent, "That was the greatest funereal I've ever seen. I swear to God, I felt like it was something out of a movie." And... He was right. Everything about it played out like it was written for a fictional narrative. Or was that just me organizing it into a narrative that I would find something meaningful and positive in? In any case, the positives did not erase the negatives. The negatives did not erase the positives. I was made more aware of the paradoxes of living as a human being I will say. The sadness and joy of "now" was there alongside the, to myself, ironclad and inviolable facts of death's permanence.
 
The prospect of death right now is not something I look forward to, but I think there comes a time in your 70's/80's where you kind of accept it. You don't necessarily WANT to go but you wouldn't mind if you did.

As for actually being dead, it's the same as before you were born. You're just not here. It's a very foreign concept to grasp and something I'm really curious about, but I'll find out when the time comes.
 
A heartfelt post Krypton, literally brought tears to my eyes.

I don't know whether to thank you or smack you in da mouth... :cwink: :woot:
 
Even though it is a large part of it/me, I won't say Christianity as not everyone is religious. I'll just drop my thoughts from when my Grandma died about 10 years ago.

My Grandma meant a lot to me. I was by her bedside about 10 years ago when she took her last breath. I literally saw her very last breath, waited, and then the nurse checked her pulse. Second the nurse confirmed what I already knew, then I burst out crying.

It's always tough losing a loved one, especially if you physically watch them die in front of you. I sat there after I went back home, re-running that moment through my head. Thinking about how she was gone.

Then it dawned on me. Why am I only focusing on the negative? Do I really want her death to pop into my head every time I think about her?

Instead I spent the next few hours remembering the good times. Times we laughed. Times she watched over me, cooked for us, ect.

I've been that way every since. It's next to impossible to not get sad immediately after you lose someone. I've just chosen to focus on their life, and what they meant to me, over focusing only on how their life ended.

We all die one day, but that doesn't have to be a dark cloud looming over your head. Live your life. Love your friends, and family. Spend time with them. When they go, remember those times. I'm not saying be stuck in the past, just don't dwell on the end. The heart has infinite space. You can move on, but still keep the good times in your thoughts.

I guess I'm saying, don't dwell on the death aspect alone. If you can't move past that one last moment, your entire history with that person will boil down to one sad moment in your mind. Which sounds like torturing yourself to me.
 
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A heartfelt post Krypton, literally brought tears to my eyes.

I don't know whether to thank you or smack you in da mouth... :cwink: :woot:

I probably deserve the latter since I'm not sure that novel wrote actually corresponds to what the OP was really asking. I just started writing and I couldn't stop.
 
Even though it is a large part of it/me, I won't say Christianity as not everyone is religious. I'll just drop my thoughts from when my Grandma died about 10 years ago.

My Grandma meant a lot to me. I was by her bedside about 10 years ago when she took her last breath. I literally saw her very last breath, waited, and then the nurse checked her pulse. Second the nurse confirmed what I already knew, then I burst out crying.

It's always tough losing a loved one, especially if you physically watch them die in front of you. I sat there after I went back home, re-running that moment through my head. Thinking about how she was gone.

Then it dawned on me. Why am I only focusing on the negative? Do I really want her death to pop into my head every time I think about her?

Instead I spent the next few hours remembering the good times. Times we laughed. Times she watched over me, cooked for us, ect.

I've been that way every since. It's next to impossible to not get sad immediately after you lose someone. I've just chosen to focus on their life, and what they meant to me, over focusing only on how their life ended.

We all die one day, but that doesn't have to be a dark cloud looming over your head. Live your life. Love your friends, and family. Spend time with them. When they go, remember those times. I'm not saying be stuck in the past, just don't dwell on the end. The heart has infinite space. You can move on, but still keep the good times in your thoughts.

I guess I'm saying, don't dwell on the death aspect alone. If you can't move past that one last moment, your entire history with that person will boil down to one sad moment in your mind. Which sounds like torturing yourself to me.

We need a thumbs up button. I couldn't agree more Fading.
 
Yup can't say I disagree.
 
I worry about dying slowly and hard. :( How badly will it hurt?
 
Even though it is a large part of it/me, I won't say Christianity as not everyone is religious. I'll just drop my thoughts from when my Grandma died about 10 years ago.

My Grandma meant a lot to me. I was by her bedside about 10 years ago when she took her last breath. I literally saw her very last breath, waited, and then the nurse checked her pulse. Second the nurse confirmed what I already knew, then I burst out crying.

It's always tough losing a loved one, especially if you physically watch them die in front of you. I sat there after I went back home, re-running that moment through my head. Thinking about how she was gone.

Then it dawned on me. Why am I only focusing on the negative? Do I really want her death to pop into my head every time I think about her?

Instead I spent the next few hours remembering the good times. Times we laughed. Times she watched over me, cooked for us, ect.

I've been that way every since. It's next to impossible to not get sad immediately after you lose someone. I've just chosen to focus on their life, and what they meant to me, over focusing only on how their life ended.

We all die one day, but that doesn't have to be a dark cloud looming over your head. Live your life. Love your friends, and family. Spend time with them. When they go, remember those times. I'm not saying be stuck in the past, just don't dwell on the end. The heart has infinite space. You can move on, but still keep the good times in your thoughts.

I guess I'm saying, don't dwell on the death aspect alone. If you can't move past that one last moment, your entire history with that person will boil down to one sad moment in your mind. Which sounds like torturing yourself to me.

Thank you for sharing this. My grandmother, who lived with us for years and practically raised me, took her last breathe in front of me and I'll never forget it. Opened her eyes, made a tepid gasping sound, and was gone.

That was back in September of 2016 and hardly a day goes by that I don't think about it. But thank you for reminding me not to dwell on that, and instead focus on all the great times I had with her.
 
Every so often, usually at night..including tonight...mortality just sort of rears its head out of nowhere and the reality of life being finite hits me. I'm sure I'm not alone in this...going about my life not thinking about it, only to have it flare up in my mind like the inescapable fact it truly is.

If there's a thread for this topic already, feel free to redirect and such, but I was wondering how people feel about death and the inevitability of it.

Are you scared? Are you not? Do you think of it often or not at all?

It's not my intention to be too morbid or to dwell, but it's something we all come to terms with, or perhaps not, in our own way...whether we accept its forthcoming, resent it, cope with it, use it to fuel our sense of living...I don't know.

I just felt like opening the floor to discussion if people felt like sharing their thoughts.

Yeah a long while back, I guess I had that. Room was always pitch black and I so badly wanted to fall asleep, but it just kept me up. More terrified of there not being an afterlife and makes me wish I was more pious. Had a dream way before those moments that I was someone else after some white light, but it could have also just been a show I vaguely recall.
 
Having faced the possibility personally on more than one occasion and had to rationalise it as a very clear and real possibility, one has gotten a 'tab' on it in terms of it's meaning, impact and eventual reality.

It's about what you leave upon this earth as your shell, your path and your wishes as too how you leave the trace of the best of yourself that those that are left shall, will and forever cherish in your memory.
 
I guess a rather poignant potential answer is speculated in Martin Scorsese's "The Last Temptation of Christ," when Lazarus is asked which is better between life and death and he simply answers that he didn't find there to be much difference.

I woke up this morning with no sense of dwelling on it like last night. I suppose it just comes up on occasion here and there.

Kinda makes you almost wish there was a "Flatliners" situation where there could at least be some answer to what comes after. Or maybe it's better not to know until the time comes.

It's just a thing you really can't help but think about every once in a while. And as evidenced by other posters, does it become a subject you contemplate more frequently the older you are...is it something you make peace with the older you are...

Just thinking aloud about it all, really.
 
Every so often, usually at night..including tonight...mortality just sort of rears its head out of nowhere and the reality of life being finite hits me. I'm sure I'm not alone in this...going about my life not thinking about it, only to have it flare up in my mind like the inescapable fact it truly is.
I know exactly of what you speak - aren't they called Night Terrors?

Are you scared? Are you not? Do you think of it often or not at all?
I know that I used to be petrified of death, somewhat into my late teenage years too. I would occasionally (especially when I had trouble sleeping) ponder the purpose of life, the universe and everything (I never reached the conclusion of 42).

I would, on occasion pace back and forward my room, or walk around the house in an attempt to cool off. Heck, I'd even punch a wall from time to time. Don't ask why - it didn't remotely help! It's a very weird feeling though, knowing that we're mortal and that sudden realisation that one day, our time is up, and everything we are - to ourselves at least, is simply no more.

I haven't had an episode in a good number of years though, I think (maybe?) it's something that we/I just grew/grown out of? We grow to adapt to the inevitable. Life is too short to worry about our own end, more focus should be spent on actually living.

As for actually being dead, it's the same as before you were born. You're just not here. It's a very foreign concept to grasp and something I'm really curious about, but I'll find out when the time comes.
Or... you wont? :p
 
It's something that I think about but don't dwell on. Many of my family members have passed over the years. I was present when my grandfather and mother died. A family friends daughter died as a baby. That was when I was 7. So I am used to death.

I also have depression so I am used to some morbid thoughts. I have been suicidal in the past. Even when I was still a Catholic (I'm currently an unbeliever) I wasn't so afraid of being dead, I was more scared of dying. Nothing has really changed. As someone else said, we didn't exist before we were born, and we will return to nonexistence. I admit, it has an ironic "ashes to ashes" feeling. There is nothing I can do about death, so I cant let myself worry about it. Just try to stave it off as long as possible. Ironic, since I still don't always take the best care of myself. I like food too much.
 
The intensity of One`s experience with Death is directly tied with how close One is to it...or to the event, in any case.
I`ve had a lot of experience with Death in my life.
Parents are dead...Grandparents; dead...a girlfriend murdered by her ex...Hell, I`ve had to shoot dead 6 dogs....
All of these events were made very powerful by the closeness to those I was losing....That loss....
The Loss is the real tricky part.
Loss is what terrifies you the most. The Loss of loved ones...
Inevitably, the Loss of yourself.
The absolute fact that as you lose others, it is in your mind that one day, YOU will be that Loss.
As you say 'Goodbye' to them, you know that sooner or later, you will be saying 'Goodbye' to all that you know, and worst of all..to yourself....
Goodbye...
Goodbye...
Goodbye...
Goodbye...ME.

Clock`s tickin`.
 
It scares the crap out of me. The thought of just....ceasing to exist and there being this void of nothingness, everything I ever thought or felt being gone and just not existing anymore, being a plot in a cemetery with my name over it, that being how we're all gonna end up one day :csad:.

Plus I want to know what happens afterwards, I want to see the rest of the story.
 
I just turned 40 last month and that's when it really hit me, that's it about halfway over. You don't know if it's just darkness, if there is an afterlife, etc. And it can be eerie to think about, but it is coming. Just have to not dwell and live as you can.
 
It scares the crap out of me. The thought of just....ceasing to exist and there being this void of nothingness, everything I ever thought or felt being gone and just not existing anymore, being a plot in a cemetery with my name over it, that being how we're all gonna end up one day :csad:.

Plus I want to know what happens afterwards, I want to see the rest of the story.

Me, too. Seems a bummer to just wink out and know nothing else. :(
 
I can’t remember the last time I went a day without thinking about death or dying. Normally I’m in control of my fear of death (everybody’s gotta go at some point), but occasionally the realization that I will eventually not be alive anymore hits me like a ton of bricks. And it’s a very terrifying thought.

Hamilton articulates my feelings on life and death pretty much perfectly. This quote in particular resonates with me: ”I imagine death so much it feels more like a memory.”

Because I know I’ll eventually die, I’m obsessed with doing something meaningful while I’m alive. I put a lot of pressure on myself to succeed or whatever because I feel like I’m running out of time.

What have I done with my life? What will my legacy be? Who will remember me or miss me? Was any of this worth it?

That’s my relationship with death.
 
I've faced death so often, the hardest part is actually finding a way to live again. That is where I am currently. I am in no man's land.
 

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