How is Miller ruining The Spirit???

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Okay, I'll be the first to admit I don't know **** about this character. I've seen a few previews for the film and I'm still not impressed. Like many of you feel, it feels like Sin City 2.

But my question is: How is this straying from the original source material?
 
1. giving the spirit actual superpowers
2. ****es****es****es****es****es****es****es****es I know the spirit always gets the ladies, but seriously...
3. ****ing with the origin story
4.GRAWRG URGA LURGA
 
It doesn't feel like The Spirit at all to me.Like you said..it seems like Sin City 2.
 
seriously though its not the spirit

its a story about a superhero whose name just happens to be... the spirit
 
Is the Spirit in the same kind of vein as the Shadow??? Or you know, a pulp kind of character.

1. giving the spirit actual superpowers
2. ****es****es****es****es****es****es****es****es I know the spirit always gets the ladies, but seriously...
3. ****ing with the origin story
4.GRAWRG URGA LURGA

I didn't know this. Very lame.
 
In Will Eisner's universe - that he created around the Spirit - there is the central story of a man who is thought to be killed by Doctor Cobra, but lived, and made the choice, in spite of his 'normalcy' to use his "death" to his advantage. He has had a longstanding relationship with the Comissioner's daughter, Ellen, who ran for public office, and was the innocent girl-next-door.

Denny Colt, now called the Spirit and donning a standard blue suit, red tie, and traditional, eye covering mask, has a rogue's gallery that consists of a lot of women, who seem to have a knack for catching his eye, but he always overcomes their traps in the end, and gets the job done.

His archnemesis, the Octopus is a crimelord, whose face is NEVER seen, and his trademarks are his gloves, and his penchant for dropping grenades before making his exits.


In Frank Miller's Wonderland, Denny Colt is KILLED by a former coroner, who also happens to be a world class geneticist... and now a super-invincible crimelord, called the Octopus. The Octopus is responsible for the death and resurrection of Denny Colt, and is also responsible for endowing him with not one... but two... incredible powers! Denny is now a living Loony Tunes character, and can take any kind of punishment... including the oversized cartoon wrench that we have seen Octopus beating him with in a clip! As a bonus, Denny also has pheremone powers that make every woman he meets desire to have sex with him! Sex powers! How great is that!?! Women have no choice but to want to give their bodies to this tough, invincible manly man!

And, by 'great', I, of course, mean... 13 year old boy locked in the bathroom-ish.

Of course, there's one woman who needs a little extra prodding, and that's tough as nails Ellen Dolan, medical expert and daughter of the Commishoner, who doesn't have a pre-existing relationship with Denny in this faithful adaptation.

The Octopus, who is seen by everyone, and wears eccentric, silly costumes (varying from samurai garb to a Nazi Commander's uniform) leads an army of fat, bald clones (which he has made... remember, he is a supergenuis geneticist) into battle with Denny, also utilizing a crack team of ****es to distract the hero... who has the power to make said ****es want to have sex with him.

All the while, there's a 'ghost' ****e, named Lorelei, who floats around in bong smoke and tries to lure Denny to a real death, while she spits him out of her mystical mouth and shows him Mt. Rushmore configurations of the Octopus' ****e-squad. "On your knees then", "come to me, lover" lol Great advertising for a cop turned hero, everyman story.

As written by Eisner... and later Darwyn Cooke, who actually can write more than one type of character... and actually respects the source material... Denny is the average guy, with a great sense of joy and humor... in spite of how filthy the city is becoming around him. He has a sense of whimsy and talks like the average guy.

Now, he talks (in Frank Miller's pretentious phrasings and in his endlessly recycled style of having his male leads monologuing) to himself... just like Marv... and Daredevil... and Batman... only this time, he's talking to himself about how his city is his mother... oh, and also his lover... I suppose if Miller swings that way, that's his business, but leave Eisner's work out of it.

Oh, and on a minor note, Miller changed the entire overall appearance of the character by making his suit, hat, and mask black. But, that one is easily explained away as him being into cliches.


So, really... it's just minor changes...

...to anyone who is in denial or just simply doesn't have an actual clue what they're talking about. :clown:

Hope this helped.
 
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but of course that may not ruin it for you assuming you are a a VERY horny person who just likes the word **** and LOTS of ridiculous sex and ****es.

FRANK MILLER VISION FOR AMERICA
 
In Will Eisner's universe - that he created around the Spirit - there is the central story of a man who is thought to be killed by Doctor Cobra, but lived, and made the choice, in spite of his 'normalcy' to use his "death" to his advantage. He has had a longstanding relationship with the Comissioner's daughter, Ellen, who ran for public office, and was the innocent girl-next-door.

Denny Colt, now called the Spirit and donning a standard blue suit, red tie, and traditional, eye covering mask, has a rogue's gallery that consists of a lot of women, who seem to have a knack for catching his eye, but he always overcomes their traps in the end, and gets the job done.

His archnemesis, the Octopus is a crimelord, whose face is NEVER seen, and his trademarks are his gloves, and his penchant for dropping grenades before making his exits.


In Frank Miller's Wonderland, Denny Colt is KILLED by a former coroner, who also happens to be a world class geneticist... and now a super-invincible crimelord, called the Octopus. The Octopus is responsible for the death and resurrection of Denny Colt, and is also responsible for endowing him with not one... but two... incredible powers! Denny is now a living Loony Tunes character, and can take any kind of punishment... including the oversized cartoon wrench that we have seen Octopus beating him with in a clip! As a bonus, Denny also has pheremone powers that make every woman he meets desire to have sex with him! Sex powers! How great is that!?! Women have no choice but to want to give their bodies to this tough, invincible manly man!

And, by 'great', I, of course, mean... 13 year old boy locked in the bathroom-ish.

Of course, there's one woman who needs a little extra prodding, and that's tough as nails Ellen Dolan, medical expert and daughter of the Commishoner, who doesn't have a pre-existing relationship with Denny in this faithful adaptation.

The Octopus, who is seen by everyone, and wears eccentric, silly costumes (varying from samurai garb to a Nazi Commander's uniform) leads an army of fat, bald clones (which he has made... remember, he is a supergenuis geneticist) into battle with Denny, also utilizing a crack team of ****es to distract the hero... who has the power to make said ****es want to have sex with him.

All the while, there's a 'ghost' ****e, named Lorelei, who floats around in bong smoke and tries to lure Denny to a real death, while she spits him out of her mystical mouth and shows him Mt. Rushmore configurations of the Octopus' ****e-squad. "On your knees then", "come to me, lover" lol Great advertising for a cop turned hero, everyman story.

As written by Eisner... and later Darwyn Cooke, who actually can write more than one type of character... and actually respects the source material... Denny is the average guy, with a great sense of joy and humor... in spite of how filthy the city is becoming around him. He has a sense of whimsy and talks like the average guy.

Now, he talks (in Frank Miller's pretentious phrasings and in his endlessly recycled style of having his male leads monologuing) to himself... just like Marv... and Daredevil... and Batman... only this time, he's talking to himself about how his city is his mother... oh, and also his lover... I suppose if Miller swings that way, that's his business, but leave Eisner's work out of it.

Oh, and on a minor note, Miller changed the entire overall appearance of the character by making his suit, hat, and mask black. But, that one is easily explained away as him being into cliches.


So, really... it's just minor changes...

...to anyone who is in denial or just simply doesn't have an actual clue what they're talking about. :clown:

Hope this helped.

This helped wonders. I'll be skipping the movie, but I would love to track down Eisner's work.

Miller really has gone down hill as of late. I don't know what his problem is. But I won't be seeing the movie that's for sure. Thanks again. :cwink:
 
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For an inexpensive starter, I'd recommend getting the "Best of" the Spirit.

You know who didn't recommend this?

Frank Miller.

In the latest Wizard, Gabriel Macht, the actor playing Denny in the film, told the interviewer that he bought the Best Of collection to get to know Eisner's work... and Miller told him to throw it out and stick to the script, saying, "I hate that book".

How is Frank Miller ruining the Spirit?

He doesn't actually like Eisner's the Spirit enough to make a film about it.
 
I have not read the spirit books before(but i'm considering picking one up) but that is total bs.If miller does not like the spirit comic books he should not be directing the movie then.
 
For an inexpensive starter, I'd recommend getting the "Best of" the Spirit.

You know who didn't recommend this?

Frank Miller.

In the latest Wizard, Gabriel Macht, the actor playing Denny in the film, told the interviewer that he bought the Best Of collection to get to know Eisner's work... and Miller told him to throw it out and stick to the script, saying, "I hate that book".

How is Frank Miller ruining the Spirit?

He doesn't actually like Eisner's the Spirit enough to make a film about it.

I'm not surprised by that. Miller is an odd bird. I've seen him in person and he has this constant intense stare on his face. But I agree, why make a movie about something you hate?

I went back and watched the newest trailer and now it just makes me laugh.

"My city screams!" So do the true Spirit fans.

Has Miller commented on the fan backlash. Not that I expect him to care.
 
archives #1 just bought it a couple weeks ago and read through it. GREAT STUFF

although ebony sho is mah favorite charakter mist Spirit boss :)
 
To be fair, the Miller reaction to the book was probably alluding to those particular collected stories.

He is an outspoken fan of the character... although, that doesn't mean he's a fan of the character's ...well... "character".

He might very well just like the toughness of the Spirit, or the persistence in the character... I'd say he liked the design... but he changed it for the film. :oldrazz:

He loves one story arc: The Sand Saref story. That's Eva Mendez's character. He flat out copied the plot of Eisner's Sand Saref arc when he did the Elektra issues of DD. He is outspokenly a fan of this particular story.

There is, however, absolutely zero proof that he likes or appreciates any of Eisner's other stories.

It may just be a flat, uninvested admiration for the iconography of the character.

The way I like Superman for being Superman, but can't make it through an issue, due to lack of interest in what he's actually doing.

He does like aspects of the icon that is the Spirit, and he does like one storyline... out of decades worth... but that does seem to be it.
 
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I like what I've seen, and I like Eisner's original too. I liked Eisner's Spirit. I liked Cooke's Spirit. I think I will like Miller's Spirit. I don't think he is ruining the character at all (look how many interpretations Batman works in).

You guys should seriously just reserve judgement until the movie is released. It could be ****, but it could rock too.
 
I like what I've seen, and I like Eisner's original too. I liked Eisner's Spirit. I liked Cooke's Spirit. I think I will like Miller's Spirit. I don't think he is ruining the character at all (look how many interpretations Batman works in).

You guys should seriously just reserve judgement until the movie is released. It could be ****, but it could rock too.
Agreed.
 
I like what I've seen, and I like Eisner's original too. I liked Eisner's Spirit. I liked Cooke's Spirit. I think I will like Miller's Spirit. I don't think he is ruining the character at all (look how many interpretations Batman works in).

You guys should seriously just reserve judgement until the movie is released. It could be ****, but it could rock too.


I really don't have room to judge this movie to be honest. I know very little about the character. I've been doing research but there's only so much the internet can tell you. This week I'm going to go Spirit hunting at my local comic book store. There's a lot of history there so I really don't know where to start. Any ideas?

But I base my judgments on two very poor trailers, the research I have done, and going by comments made by devoted fans on these boards the movie sounds more like Sin City than the Eisner's work. In style it most definitely feels like Sin City.
 
I really don't have room to judge this movie to be honest. I know very little about the character. I've been doing research but there's only so much the internet can tell you. This week I'm going to go Spirit hunting at my local comic book store. There's a lot of history there so I really don't know where to start. Any ideas?

But I base my judgments on two very poor trailers, the research I have done, and going by comments made by devoted fans on these boards the movie sounds more like Sin City than the Eisner's work. In style it most definitely feels like Sin City.


Start with the Best of The Spirit. Miller wouldn't let the actor playing the character read it... so you know it's a good representation of Eisner's work. :cwink:


The Archives are actually the best collections, but they are pricey if you don't have a great income.

The collected hardcover of Darwyn Cooke's run for DC is also really good, although not done by Eisner himself. The good news, is that, unlike Miller, Cooke respects the source material, and also doesn't inject his own ego into the work... so it's a really faithful update on the characters.
 
Start with the Best of The Spirit. Miller wouldn't let the actor playing the character read it... so you know it's a good representation of Eisner's work. :cwink:


The Archives are actually the best collections, but they are pricey if you don't have a great income.

The collected hardcover of Darwyn Cooke's run for DC is also really good, although not done by Eisner himself. The good news, is that, unlike Miller, Cooke respects the source material, and also doesn't inject his own ego into the work... so it's a really faithful update on the characters.

I called a couple of my local comic shops and no one has the Best of the Spirit. :csad: But I'm going to see if I can order it. They do have a lot of the Archives but you're right they are expensive. Hopefully when the movie comes out the material will become more available.

What's your favorite story featuring the character?
 
I called a couple of my local comic shops and no one has the Best of the Spirit. :csad: But I'm going to see if I can order it. They do have a lot of the Archives but you're right they are expensive. Hopefully when the movie comes out the material will become more available.

What's your favorite story featuring the character?

Yeah... fortunately, for me at least, I make decent money in the industry and have also been collecting long enough to be able to stock pile the collected works as they came, on top of the original printings and such, but for someone coming on board, and looking at DECADES worth of weekly issues to catch up... and hardcover collections costing a little more than the average person can slap down... it can be really uphill looking. Aim for the trade paperbacks, and maybe just get one or two mid to late 40's Archive editions. Eisner's best work (his opinion as well as mine) was 46-48.

Also, I sincerely recommend the Darwyn Cooke hardcover, which would be around 19 bucks.

As far as favorite stories, there was a multi-issue arc where Spirit confronts Octopus and Eisner used every possible lighting, angle, panel layout, etc. and it's just "sequential art" at it's most efficient.

I like any and all stories with Mr. Carrion and his pet/lover vulture, Julia. Yes, he had an ambiguously implied fling with his vulture. lol

Eisner did a lot of Christmas specials, referred to as Spirit of Christmas stories. They were always the most honest look at what Eisner thought the character was mean to be. He could be tough, and the stories could be dark or have implied sensuality... but, at its heart, the Spirit was whimsy and much like the art of Charles Addams (he of Addams Family creation), it was a statement of loving life for life's sake. Which is why, in the midst of down and out brawls, there were always moments where the cast of characters would just spend almost an entire story playing ball or swimming.

On a totally off note, there's a one off story featuring the trial of Hazel the Witch, which I love. It's a great story where Denny is almost a 'witness', rather than a protagonist, and Eisner did a lot of stories in that vein.

Lastly, Eisner's interpretation of Cinderella as a conning femme fatale who goes to the "castle" (prison) at the end of the story is probably my favorite femme fatale story.

Cooke did a few great (and one or two passable) stories, but the crossover issue with Batman was awesome.

There aren't many that I don't like, but those are stand outs.
 
In Will Eisner's universe - that he created around the Spirit - there is the central story of a man who is thought to be killed by Doctor Cobra, but lived, and made the choice, in spite of his 'normalcy' to use his "death" to his advantage. He has had a longstanding relationship with the Comissioner's daughter, Ellen, who ran for public office, and was the innocent girl-next-door.

Denny Colt, now called the Spirit and donning a standard blue suit, red tie, and traditional, eye covering mask, has a rogue's gallery that consists of a lot of women, who seem to have a knack for catching his eye, but he always overcomes their traps in the end, and gets the job done.

His archnemesis, the Octopus is a crimelord, whose face is NEVER seen, and his trademarks are his gloves, and his penchant for dropping grenades before making his exits.


In Frank Miller's *********or's Wonderland, Denny Colt is KILLED by a former coroner, who also happens to be a world class geneticist... and now a super-invincible crimelord, called the Octopus. The Octopus is responsible for the death and resurrection of Denny Colt, and is also responsible for endowing him with not one... but two... incredible powers! Denny is now a living Loony Tunes character, and can take any kind of punishment... including the oversized cartoon wrench that we have seen Octopus beating him with in a clip! As a bonus, Denny also has pheremone powers that make every woman he meets desire to have sex with him! Sex powers! How great is that!?! Women have no choice but to want to give their bodies to this tough, invincible manly man!

And, by 'great', I, of course, mean... 13 year old boy locked in the bathroom-ish.

Of course, there's one woman who needs a little extra prodding, and that's tough as nails Ellen Dolan, medical expert and daughter of the Commishoner, who doesn't have a pre-existing relationship with Denny in this faithful adaptation.

The Octopus, who is seen by everyone, and wears eccentric, silly costumes (varying from samurai garb to a Nazi Commander's uniform) leads an army of fat, bald clones (which he has made... remember, he is a supergenuis geneticist) into battle with Denny, also utilizing a crack team of ****es to distract the hero... who has the power to make said ****es want to have sex with him.

All the while, there's a 'ghost' ****e, named Lorelei, who floats around in bong smoke and tries to lure Denny to a real death, while she spits him out of her mystical mouth and shows him Mt. Rushmore configurations of the Octopus' ****e-squad. "On your knees then", "come to me, lover" lol Great advertising for a cop turned hero, everyman story.

As written by Eisner... and later Darwyn Cooke, who actually can write more than one type of character... and actually respects the source material... Denny is the average guy, with a great sense of joy and humor... in spite of how filthy the city is becoming around him. He has a sense of whimsy and talks like the average guy.

Now, he talks (in Frank Miller's pretentious phrasings and in his endlessly recycled style of having his male leads monologuing) to himself... just like Marv... and Daredevil... and Batman... only this time, he's talking to himself about how his city is his mother... oh, and also his lover... I suppose if Miller swings that way, that's his business, but leave Eisner's work out of it.

Oh, and on a minor note, Miller changed the entire overall appearance of the character by making his suit, hat, and mask black. But, that one is easily explained away as him being into cliches.


So, really... it's just minor changes...

...to anyone who is in denial or just simply doesn't have an actual clue what they're talking about. :clown:

Hope this helped.

After reading your synopsis, I feel Miller has lost his marbles on this one. Samuel Jackson too. Seriously, hitting each other with giant wrenches and toilet seats? What's next? Acme anvils? When Spirit sees a volumptious dame he turns into that "Looney Toons" wolf that pops his eyes out and starts whistling and catcalling?

I was really looking forward to seeing this, I REALLY was, but when I saw the Comic-Con clip and read your synopsis (if it is true not saying it isn't) than I might just be passing on this movie. Miller and Rodriguez should've just gotten together and shot "SIN CITY 2" (which they STILL NEED TO DO!!!! :cmad:)

I still like Miller and all but I just feel he really lost the ball on this one.
 
For an inexpensive starter, I'd recommend getting the "Best of" the Spirit.

You know who didn't recommend this?

Frank Miller.

In the latest Wizard, Gabriel Macht, the actor playing Denny in the film, told the interviewer that he bought the Best Of collection to get to know Eisner's work... and Miller told him to throw it out and stick to the script, saying, "I hate that book".

No, he just didn't like the coloring. He liked the old black and white Warren/Kitchen Sink Spirit comics so he gave Gabriel Macht those.

Macht: I bought the "best of" Spirit collections. When I got to set, Frank said , "Listen, I don't want you to look at those. I'm not crazy about the coloring." He wasn't a fan. He liked the black and white. So he gave me his best picks, and I read through all of those Spirit comics and put them up in my trailer. You couldn't see any wall. It was all comics.
 
I really don't have room to judge this movie to be honest. I know very little about the character. I've been doing research but there's only so much the internet can tell you. This week I'm going to go Spirit hunting at my local comic book store. There's a lot of history there so I really don't know where to start. Any ideas?

But I base my judgments on two very poor trailers, the research I have done, and going by comments made by devoted fans on these boards the movie sounds more like Sin City than the Eisner's work. In style it most definitely feels like Sin City.

I'm a big fan of The Spirit and Will Eisner. I have Archives Vol.1, the Warren editions and the Cooke's books and I have no real problem with how the film is looking so far.
 
I'm a big fan of The Spirit and Will Eisner. I have Archives Vol.1, the Warren editions and the Cooke's books and I have no real problem with how the film is looking so far.


Same here.

It LOOKS great.

It's the plot, dialogue, drastic source material deviations, language, uncharacteristic brief nudity, altered characters, and sex powers that make this film so wrong.

But, I agree with you. It is "visually stunning".
 

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