How Many of you Actually Read Comics???

[K.B.]

lol, fighting over comicbook semantics is hilarious.
I love it.
FIGHT!
FIGHT!
FIGHT!
lol

LMAO I know lol

Whenever he comes out with his comments I hear the pre-school race war theme from Wonder Showzen play in my head lol

 

[ShadowBoxing]

LMAO ok pal..says the man who disregards the death of captain marvel being a graphic novel when it was labeled as such lol what are you gonna try and say next? Supeman was the first big death in comics?

Noooo, read my post again. You missed the point, again .

 

[sinewave]

lol, fighting over comicbook semantics is hilarious.
I love it.
FIGHT!
FIGHT!
FIGHT!
lol

isn't it? this is by far the stupidest debate i've seen on these boards in a while.

 

[Prognosticator]

Ok, I was on my lunchbreak, and I finally figured it out:

Wilhelm is to 80s Comics vs. Today what Prognosticator is to 80s Horror Movies vs. Today

Now in shorthand form for the mathheads: (not meth!)

Wil = (Comics) x 80s - 00s =/= Prog = (Horror Movies) x 80s - 00s

 

[K.B.]

Dude the point is is that you have no point and have no idea what your talking about. Period.

isn't it? this is by far the stupidest debate i've seen on these boards in a while.

Meh... at least it's interesting and something to do. Sure beats another BB is better then B89 thread lol

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

B89 is butt-crap garbage.
FIGHT!
FIGHT!
FIGHT!

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Dude the point is is that you have no point and have no idea what your talking about. Period.

No, actually I do. You don't understand that books written in trade form don't always come from comics series, and graphic novels aren't always first written in squarebound. That's always been the case, even when the first graphic novels were being marketed.

Transformers: Cybertron was written in squarebound, but it isn't considered a graphic novel...not even by those publishing it. But Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns...those are, and always will be Graphic Novels. They don't have volume numbers on them, they aren't marketed in installments, they aren't episodic and they aren't part of a greater line.

In a sense you could say if they collected all of "X-Men" into a billion page book it could be one huge graphic novel...but they don't, and they won't. Just like Ultimates is released in trade, or Supreme Power is released in trade.

Tradepaperback and Graphic Novel is a format, not a type of comic. And every official definition includes within it the ability for previously printed material to be novelized.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

You know what's funny about X-Force #1 "holding" the record for best selling comic of all time, is,
That was the the 90's Boom era, when businessmen who knew nothing of comics and every geek AND his mother were buying anything that said

"FIRST ISSUE!
Collector's Item!"​

'cause they thought everything with a "#1" on it was going to be the next Spawn #1 and if they held onto it for 6 months it'd be worth $40,000.


Like, every new series broke the record, and held it, for,.......a month, and then, *p00f*, lol.

 

[Themanofbat]

But Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns...those are, and always will be Graphic Novels. They don't have volume numbers on them, they aren't marketed in installments, they aren't episodic and they aren't part of a greater line.

People call those "graphic novels" because of elitist attitude and content of said material.

If Watchmen and/or Dark Knight Returns had a lesser impact on the industry, we'd be calling them Trade Paper Backs.

When Dark Knight Returns came out in 1986 (when I was 18 at the time) and having been into comics since 1975, people were saying it was being released in the Ronin format (which has subsequently been replaced with the "Dark Knight" format), a previously unsuccesful 6 issue mini Frank Miller release from DC around 1984. And oddly enough, I don't hear too many people referring to that trade as a graphic novel (unless you're a snooty Frank Miller fan), it's usually just referred to as the Ronin trade.

It is funny that people will argue to the death about a body of work, but the bottom line is that a Graphic Novel is original works, and Trades are reprinted material. I feel bad that this definition upsets your comic book sensitivities, but that's how it is.

Cheers,

 

[K.B.]

Damn Skippy!

 

[Untilteld]

Of course I read comics.

 

[SamuraiSon6]

i read "comics" when i was younger, now i seem to pick up "trade paperbacks"....

 

[bullets]

a graphic novel is a comic book

 

[ShadowBoxing]

You know what's funny about X-Force #1 "holding" the record for best selling comic of all time

I think you're confusing it with X-Men #1, that's the best selling single issue of all time. It sold seven million copies. X-Force #1 probably outsold the competition the month it came out, most #1(s) and final issues do that...but X-Men #1 came out not much later and eclipsed everything before it...despite being a f***ing confusing and overhyped issue.

'cause they thought everything with a "#1" on it was going to be the next Spawn #1 and if they held onto it for 6 months it'd be worth $40,000.

X-Force came out well before Spawn did. While I don't know this for a fact, I think what motivated the wave of first issues was "Spider-Man #1"...however Spawn does hold some value to it from what I understand. Not that much, but it's only a decade old.

Like, every new series broke the record, and held it, for,.......a month, and then, *p00f*, lol.

I'd imagine X-Force sold very well it's first month, most first editions of first issues sell well...that's what often times motivates these restarts. However, That's been happening since at least the 60s. Stan Lee, when DareDevil came out for example (a perfect example of a book that was not successful to start off) he exclaimed "Remember [Amazing Spider-Man #1]...now we congratulate you with another prized first edition! This Magazine is sure to be one of your most prized possessions". DareDevil #1, of course, is worth quite a bit now...but ASM#1 pretty much b*tch slaps it across the face.

It is funny that people will argue to the death about a body of work, but the bottom line is that a Graphic Novel is original works, and Trades are reprinted material. I feel bad that this definition upsets your comic book sensitivities, but that's how it is.

Not remotely true. Novels themselves, the book kind, are sometimes reprinted materials from magazines and periodicals. Most famously, the Sherlock Holmes novels all appeared in other print before being anthologized into novel form. I also believe James Bond's first book appeared in Intrigue Magazine before being published as a novel. So, no, what you say does not apply. Things can be rereleased in either trade or novel format in comics...originally printed or not. Either that or I guess you must consider Sherlock Holmes a tradepaperback.

And also, by your definition, printing the "Killing Joke" in a "Best of Alan Moore" trade makes part of the book a trade and part a graphic novel...which doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

 

[Reptile]

I started collecting them 5 years ago, but already had all the knowledge about the heroes from my brother who was a big geek (so I wasn't a complete n00b)

 

[K.B.]

I think you're confusing it with X-Men #1, that's the best selling single issue of all time. It sold seven million copies. X-Force #1 probably outsold the competition the month it came out, most #1(s) and final issues do that...but X-Men #1 came out not much later and eclipsed everything before it...despite being a f***ing confusing and overhyped issue.

Actually he isn't wrong and for once, technically, neither are you. You see the actual numbers are a bit muddled and the truth is, it's hard to determine just WHICH comic was the best selling at that time from the big companys. The 3 biggest sellers were actually X-force 1, X-men 1 and Spider-man 1 when McFarlane got his own title and thats why you always hear one of these 3 being lauded as "the best selling comic book ever" and technically none of these are wrong answers.
Though I have to honestly ask how you found X-men 1 by Clearmont and Lee confusing

X-Force came out before Spawn did...however Spawn does hold some value to it from what I understand. Not that much, but a good bit for a decade old comic.

Last I checked Spawn 1 was worth between 8-15 bucks. Which isn't really all that much especially seeing as how you can find Spawn comics in the quarter bins these days. It's all about supply and demand and if everyone and they're brother have a long box of spawn 1's (or any other 'hot' book) well it isn't going to be worth so much because everyone has them. A better book that holds 'some value' would be Ult. Spider-man 1 which last I checked was worth more then a 100 bucks and is once again a case of supply and demand as not as many of those were printed.

Not remotely true. Novels themselves, the book kind, are sometimes reprinted materials from magazines and periodicals. Most famously, the Sherlock Holmes novels all appeared in other print before being anthologized into novel form. I also believe James Bond's first book appeared in Intrigue Magazine before being published as a novel. So, no, what you say does not apply. Things can be rereleased in either trade or novel format in comics...originally printed or not. Either that or I guess you must consider Sherlock Holmes a tradepaperback.

Your comparing apples and oranges man. Im wondering if you actually know the difference between a novel and a comic book.

 

[Themanofbat]

X-Force came out well before Spawn did. While I don't know this for a fact, I think what motivated the wave of first issues was "Spider-Man #1"...however Spawn does hold some value to it from what I understand. Not that much, but it's only a decade old.

Last I checked Spawn 1 was worth between 8-15 bucks. Which isn't really all that much especially seeing as how you can find Spawn comics in the quarter bins these days.

I agrre with K.B. and I'll just add that Spawn has very minimal value these days, with most of the early books valued at slightly above cover price, and since it came out in 1992, it's actually 15 years old.

And also, by your definition, printing the "Killing Joke" in a "Best of Alan Moore" trade makes part of the book a trade and part a graphic novel...which doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

The original "Killing Joke" could be seen as a Graphic Novel, but REPRINTING it in a "Best of Alan Moore" trade, which I would assume is full of REPRINTED material, would make the "Best of Alan Moore" book a trade.

Not remotely true. Novels themselves, the book kind, are sometimes reprinted materials from magazines and periodicals. Most famously, the Sherlock Holmes novels all appeared in other print before being anthologized into novel form. I also believe James Bond's first book appeared in Intrigue Magazine before being published as a novel. So, no, what you say does not apply. Things can be rereleased in either trade or novel format in comics...originally printed or not. Either that or I guess you must consider Sherlock Holmes a tradepaperback.

Your comparing apples and oranges man. Im wondering if you actually know the difference between a novel and a comic book.

Agreed... apples and oranges... apples and oranges.

And if you don't understand that, it means they're not the same thing.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Agreed... apples and oranges... apples and oranges.

And if you don't understand that, it means they're not the same thing.

Funny, how the minute you find something that disagrees "apples and oranges"

 

[Themanofbat]

Funny, how the minute you find something that disagrees "apples and oranges"

It's not something that I disagree with, it's the fact that they are different mediums.

As I have stated many times already in thsi thread, but I'll make it a little clearer just for you, a Graphic Novel (in the COMIC BOOK world) is original works, and Trades (in the COMIC BOOK world) are reprinted material.

How things work in the literary world is a different bottle of wax.

Ok?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

How things work in the literary world is a different bottle of wax.

Ok?

Comics.are.literature.dummy.

 

[K.B.]

Are you allowed out of the house without the helmet and harness or what? lol

How things work in the literary world is a different bottle of wax.

Ok let me translate this to you again Shadowboxing......He means 'how things work in the world of strictly books without pictures'. Understand now?



(Also if you knew as much about comics as you claim you'd know that it isn't seen as 'literature' hence the "comics are kids stuff" stigma it has.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Ok let me translate this to you again Shadowboxing......He means 'how things work in the world of strictly books without pictures'. Understand now?

Many Novels are illustrated. Some comics, including a recent Batman, are mostly block text written in book form.

(Also if you knew as much about comics as you claim you'd know that it isn't seen as 'literature' hence the "comics are kids stuff" stigma it has.

They teach "Watchmen" in Havard english courses. It's required reading at CofC for english in a course called "Modern American Novels".

Here is their latest course: http://www.cofc.edu/~francisc/ENGL290.html

 

[K.B.]

Many Novels are illustrated. Some comics, including a recent Batman, are mostly block text written in book form.

Perhaps 'classic books' like wizard of oz etc have chapter illustrations but I havent read any novels that are illustrated and I'm a very avid reader usually reading 3-4 books at a time. But then again you consider DKR a novel so there ya go.

And the amount of comics that come out as prose are very, VERY few and far between.

They teach "Watchmen" in Havard english courses. It's required reading at CofC for english in a course called "Modern American Novels".

Yes I'm well awear that certain books like watchmen, maus etc are being taught i na handful of college or uni courses but that dosent make them 'liturature' in the eyes of many literary circles and orginizations let alone the genreal public or do you not know about the infamous Sandman award kurfuffle?

 

[Themanofbat]

Comics.are.literature.dummy.

Now now... don't resort to name calling... or I'll just have to bugger your Mom.

 

[Themanofbat]

They teach "Watchmen" in Havard english courses. It's required reading at CofC for english in a course called "Modern American Novels".

And that's cool.

But unless the teacher has the original 12 issues, then he/she's using the trade to teach his/her class.

That's awesome to hear though...