How many troops needed to secure Iraq's border?

[Spider-Bite]

Matt I'm just talking about the fact that we can't secure our own borders and yet we are talking about securing someone elses.

Iraq is smaller than the united states, and on top of that they don't have millions of people walking across their border either. and not only that, but the ethical dillemas are different. Do you shoot to kill a hispanic person who is simply trying to feed his family by coming to America, or do you shoot to kill a terrorist from Iran trying to infiltrate Iraq?

you see it's quite different. I highly doubt a bunch of illegal immigrants are just absolutely dying to get in Iraq.

 

[Hooligan32]

How about the Iraqis secure their own damned country. If it falls or not, it'll be on their hands.

YOU ****ING DESTROYED THEIR COUNTRY!!!

Sorry for yelling, but seriously. The U.S. ****ed it up, the U.S. should have to fix it.

 

[Darth Elektra]

We need to pull out very soon.

 

[JLBats]

We need to pull out very soon.

We need to pull out and explode our liberty all over the sweet chest of Iraq

 

[Hooligan32]

We need to pull out and explode our liberty all over the sweet chest of Iraq

Democracy tastes salty...

 

[Addendum]

YOU ****ING DESTROYED THEIR COUNTRY!!!

Sorry for yelling, but seriously. The U.S. ****ed it up, the U.S. should have to fix it.

I'm a blue-collar guy trying to get a better paying job so I can pay off my student loans.

Since I had nothing to do with Iraq, **** them.

 

[Hooligan32]

I'm a blue-collar guy trying to get a better paying job so I can pay off my student loans.

Since I had nothing to do with Iraq, **** them.

Wow. Profound. Perhaps you should think about blaming commercial industry in your own country and Paul Bremer for the continuing war in Iraq as opposed to the Iraqis. They didn't ask to have their country ****ed over. Since America invaded them their unemployment rate has skyrocketed to 65% too. You aren't in such bad shape.

 

[Addendum]

I don't care since I had nothing do with the Iraq invasion. If I was a part of it, I might care.

 

[Hooligan32]

I don't care since I had nothing do with the Iraq invasion. If I was a part of it, I might care.

Are you a voting American citizen?

 

[Spider-Bite]

YOU ****ING DESTROYED THEIR COUNTRY!!!

Sorry for yelling, but seriously. The U.S. ****ed it up, the U.S. should have to fix it.

It depends on your definition of fix it. I think the majority of supporters of the war in America have a definition of fixing it that is impossible to acheive.

I think the war is unwinnable, and we should simply try to minimize the damage of the aftermath by as much as possible and then hope for the best. I think the best way to go is at the end of the year stop fighting their insurgency for them completely. Stop training their military. Stop patrolling their streets, and securing their locations and move to the border, and the border only. And prevent anybody from getting in or out as best we can for the next 3 years.

If Iraq has a really bad civil war, which they do already, we do not try to break it up, or help either side either.

 

[Addendum]

Are you a voting American citizen?

From 1996 to 2001, no. I was busy going to college and since I had classes when election day happened, I didn't feel the need to vote.

I voted in the presidential election in '04, and I voted for 2 city referendums. The rest of the ballot was left blank.

 

[Hooligan32]

It depends on your definition of fix it. I think the majority of supporters of the war in America have a definition of fixing it that is impossible to acheive.

I think the war is unwinnable, and we should simply try to minimize the damage of the aftermath by as much as possible and then hope for the best. I think the best way to go is at the end of the year stop fighting their insurgency for them completely. Stop training their military. Stop patrolling their streets, and securing their locations and move to the border, and the border only. And prevent anybody from getting in or out as best we can for the next 3 years.

If Iraq has a really bad civil war, which they do already, we do not try to break it up, or help either side either.

There are more problems than the Iraqi civil war that's occuring. One of the biggest is the fact that Paul Bremer, put in place by the U.S. at the beginning of the invasion, went to serious work on the Iraqi trade laws (one of the reasons it took so long for Iraqis to get "free" elections). Among the many nation crippling things Bremer did are;

- Removing all trade tariff protection (Iraq is now the ONLY country in the world with no protection in this regard)
- Selling off all Iraq's national banks to foreign investors

The "civil war" is in a very real way the direct result of actions taken by the U.S. to warp Iraq into a cheap commercial goods dumping ground for multi-national companies, putting many Iraqi owned and operated manufacturing firms six feet under and, in doing so, costing the jobs of millions of Iraqis.

 

[Hooligan32]

From 1996 to 2001, no. I was busy going to college and since I had classes when election day happened, I didn't feel the need to vote.

I voted in the presidential election in '04, and I voted for 2 city referendums. The rest of the ballot was left blank.

Then it is "your" problem.

 

[Addendum]

Then it is "your" problem.

How so? I never said who I voted for in the presidential election in 2004.

The rest of the ballot I left blank was because I either never heard of the people running for office, or I had heard of them and didn't trust them.

Since I didn't vote in the 2000 election because I had something more important on my hands, such as gettting off probation so I could graduate, voting in an election was nowhere near my list of things to do.

I was in no way responsible for what happened as a result of those elections. Even more so for those I didn't vote in.

 

[Hooligan32]

How so? I never said who I voted for in the presidential election in 2004.

The rest of the ballot I left blank was because I either never heard of the people running for office, or I had heard of them and didn't trust them.

Since I didn't vote in the 2000 election because I had something more important on my hands, such as gettting off probation so I could graduate, voting in an election was nowhere near my list of things to do.

I was in no way responsible for what happened as a result of those elections. Even more so for those I didn't vote in.

It makes no difference. You are a citizen of the United States and your government is commiting acts of war (among other things) in your name. This makes you complicit in their crimes and your apathy grounds for my inquisition. There is a war going on and you are a part of it. The terrorists don't hate your freedom, they hate what you've done with it. Nothing.

 

[Addendum]

It makes no difference. You are a citizen of the United States and your government is commiting acts of war (among other things) in your name. This makes you complicit in their crimes and your apathy grounds for my inquisition. There is a war going on and you are a part of it. The terrorists don't hate your freedom, they hate what you've done with it. Nothing.

...and I care what a terrorist thinks?

 

[Hooligan32]

...and I care what a terrorist thinks?

Good point. I'm willing to bet that you'd be hard pressed to define terrorism. But the "enemy" that your government has painted crimson red and gone to war with should be of great concern to you. Even them aside, the suffering of the Iraqi people due to actions being commited in your name should be of concern. Don't fill the shoes of an ignorant, apathetic American stereotype.

 

[Addendum]

Good point. I'm willing to bet that you'd be hard pressed to define terrorism. But the "enemy" that your government has painted crimson red and gone to war with should be of great concern to you. Even them aside, the suffering of the Iraqi people due to actions being commited in your name should be of concern. Don't fill the shoes of an ignorant, apathetic American stereotype.

My concern is paying off my student loans. I have yet to lose sleep over the actions of some terrorists who claim to be Muslim. The only thing I lose sleep over is when 1) I have to work late that means less sleep, 2) When I'm downloading music late at night, 3) When I'm watching a movie late at night, or 4) When I'm playing a video game late at night.

 

[Hooligan32]

That's a shame.

 

[Addendum]

That's a shame.

oh well

 

[Spider-Bite]

I hate to do a "bump" but I really want more opinions on my idea that we should stop running Iraq, and secure their border for 3 years, while they take care of the inside.

I think if we simply pulled out, then Iran would basically dominate Iraq, and Iraq would join up with Iran and Syria.

if we secured their borders to stop Iran from influencing Iraq's development, most likely the Insurgency would have power over Iraq, and they would oppose Iran, and stop the Sh.ite majority from threatening Israel and the United States. I know it doesn't sound pretty, having the saddam loyalists reclaim Iraq, but it's the lesser of two evils. I know that means our troops died for nothing, but our troops never should have been there in the first place.

The insurgency will never end while we are still there. We need to secure their border let them have their civil war, and prevent Iran from effecting who wins the Iraqi civil war, and then afterwards at least Iraq wont be dragged through this rescent conflict between Israel, Iran, and Syria.

and does anybody here know how many troops it would take to secure Iraq's border? They are a small country, and anybody trying to get in would obviously be an enemy. It wouldn't be like an immigrant trying to come to america for a better life. It would be a terrorist, or somebody working for Iran who is up to no good.

 

[kane9321]

Here's an idea....HEY IRAQ SECURE YOUR OWN F'N BORDER.. great idea huh

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Here's an idea....HEY IRAQ SECURE YOUR OWN F'N BORDER.. great idea huh

as I understand it they where doing okay untill a foreign nation invaded them.

go figure.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

Does anyone else see the irony of a discussion on the UNITED STATES securing Iraq's borders?

Indeed.The USA should control its own boarder with Mexico and kick out all illegals in the USA,but it needs to show the world that its still a powerful country.Like that will ever happen.

 

[Matt]

Iraq is smaller than the united states, and on top of that they don't have millions of people walking across their border either. and not only that, but the ethical dillemas are different. Do you shoot to kill a hispanic person who is simply trying to feed his family by coming to America, or do you shoot to kill a terrorist from Iran trying to infiltrate Iraq?

you see it's quite different. I highly doubt a bunch of illegal immigrants are just absolutely dying to get in Iraq.

No, Iraq just has a bunch of suicide bombers crossing their borders.

At anyrate, all I was saying is, the US really is in no position to call themselves an expert on border security.