How much influence do you think us fans had in creating X3?

[jusblaze21]

I think the fans had little, to no influence over the film. Yes they threw in things that only Fans would know about such as the fastball special but it seems like Fox ignored more important things, For example. The rumor of Cyclops death drew a huge uproar from fans even from people who are'nt fans of Cyclops, knew it was wrong for him to die, yet from the reviews Cyclops death is confirmed. I also believe they knew how much fans wanted Gambit to be in this film, especially since his basically been promised form the get go, but we still have no Gambit in X3, not even a cameo . Although I think he deserves more than a cameo. As for Rogue I think a lot of fans wanted to see a confident, in your face Rogue rather than want we'll be getting in this movie, I hope Rogue does'nt get cured but from some reviews thats seems to be the case. I know Fox can't do everything the fans want but I think these things were Screamed about enough for them to get them right in this film.

 

[Primogeniture]

None.

Cyclops. That's all the evidence you need right there. There was massive backlash to the decision to off Cyclops with plenty of time left to change it. Besides, if the filmmakers really cared about the fans they wouldn't have written his death to begin with.

They never cared about what the fans wanted. Us fans just got lucky when they decided to include some things we happened to have wanted. Just because you throw in a random character no one wanted in the background or include a sentinel head doesn't mean that you "care what the fans think."

 

[Sunstar]

I would say none! Everyone has pretty much expressed the same feelings I had about what the film is lacking from a X-fans' point of view(Cyclops dying, Rogue getting cured etc.)!

 

[Strgts]

The answer is

 

[ProfeZZor X]

What a shame.... We fans invest so much money into these films and merchandise, yet the studios, sometimes the creators (George Lucas), don't even give back to the ones that make these films & characters successful.

Boycotting is useless, because no one will really adhere to it, unless there's a worldwide effort from all fans to download a specific film more than actually supporting it in theatres. That would really hurt them. Of course, then every studio out there wouldn't do the movies we (mostly guys) like. Then again, there's always independent film companies that might be willing to answer to fans requests... There are ways of fighting, we just need to know how and when.

 

[josh8]

What a shame.... We fans invest so much money into these films and merchandise, yet the studios, sometimes the creators (George Lucas), don't even give back to the ones that make these films & characters successful.

Boycotting is useless, because no one will really adhere to it, unless there's a worldwide effort from all fans to download a specific film more than actually supporting it in theatres. That would really hurt them. Of course, then every studio out there wouldn't do the movies we (mostly guys) like. Then again, there's always independent film companies that might be willing to answer to fans requests... There are ways of fighting, we just need to know how and when.

it's hard to consider movies to be very fan oriented. their time in the spotlight is so fleeting. i would hardly consider the money i spend to see a movie and buy the dvd as that much. the fact of the matter is, at the end of the day, i'm still happy that they made the movie, because we wouldnt get to see it any other way.

i'd say tv is the medium more affected by what viewers have to say. it comes on every week, and people have the decision to watch or not to watch. week to week changes can be very big for growing hits. unlike movies, the judgment is quick.

now comics...i've spent much money there, and they in fact listen to fans. their audience is much more specialized, and so fan feedback is very important.

 

[Super Flight]

we are scum under fox's lunch tables...

 

[RagingTempest]

I think we had a lot to do with it....I mean, we are the ones going to see the movies, we are the ones who will make or break the X-men franchise!!!

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Now comics...i've spent much money there, and they in fact listen to fans. their audience is much more specialized, and so fan feedback is very important.

I'm not too sure I agree with you on that one. Comics can either make or break a character. And it's one of the first mediums that enlists young kids into the world of superheroes.

Case in point is Iceman. He's got the potential to be a great character, yet throughout the years, he has been downplayed and passed on like a used piece of gum from writer to the next writer. And in each case, he's always a background character with very little interaction. I believe writing has a big impact on how people percieve a character. I find myself defending his abilities in this and other forums time and time again... Why? Because that's how he is projected as by other non-fans... A loser at best.

And despite our request to MAREL, nothing has been done about his character for decades. You tell me when was the lat time he made an impact on you?

 

[josh8]

I'm not too sure I agree with you on that one. Comics can either make or break a character. And it's one of the first mediums that enlists young kids into the world of superheroes.

Case in point is Iceman. He's got the potential to be a great character, yet throughout the years, he has been downplayed and passed on like a used piece of gum from writer to the next writer. And in each case, he's always a background character with very little interaction. I believe writing has a big impact on how people percieve a character. I find myself defending his abilities in this and other forums time and time again... Why? Because that's how he is projected as by other non-fans... A loser at best.

And despite our request to MAREL, nothing has been done about his character for decades. You tell me when was the lat time he made an impact on you?

well i didnt mean that fans have complete influence, but they have a lot when compared to different entertainment media.

in comics, they do things like public votes, lots of feedback mail printing, "because you demanded it" stories (marvel does this, at least), and such. they put in fan suggestions, but i'm not being naive and thinking they value everything the fans want. it was just a relative statment.

 

[kevhulk73]

How much influence do you think us fans had in creating X3?



I hope not much if any. I hope they repect the fans , but you can't create something under a microscope....or to put it another way " you can't please all the people all the time"


kev

 

[ProfeZZor X]

How much influence do you think us fans had in creating X3?



I hope not much if any. I hope they repect the fans , but you can't create something under a microscope....or to put it another way " you can't please all the people all the time"


kev

True, but you gan get a majority rule from the fans on what they want to see or hear. For example, what were the odds of them putting the "I'm the Juggernaut *****" line in the movie were it not for the fans? Although soon after that clip was released, fans complained that the actor didn't carry the line the way it should have... An easy voiceover fix, but from what I hear, it didn't change.

 

[kevhulk73]

True, but you gan get a majority rule from the fans on what they want to see or hear. For example, what were the odds of them putting the "I'm the Juggernaut *****" line in the movie were it not for the fans? Although soon after that clip was released, fans complained that the actor didn't carry the line the way it should have... An easy voiceover fix, but from what I hear, it didn't change.

I Just Don't agree.

I hate the X-costumes, HATED the way Sabretooth was handled(Tyler Mane looked good as SABRETOOTH but was handled poorly) and Despise the Juggernaut design....BUT...I was able to look past that and enjoyed the overall way the movies were handled..... respectfully, and was pleasantly suprised by the way a unknown actor by the name of Hugh Jackman OWNED the role of wolverine.


expect the best of folks and you get good stuff, expect Perfection and you get nothing but disappointment.


kev

 

[ProfeZZor X]

I Just Don't agree.

I hate the X-costumes, HATED the way Sabretooth was handled(Tyler Mane looked good as SABRETOOTH but was handled poorly) and Despise the Juggernaut design....BUT...I was able to look past that and enjoyed the overall way the movies were handled..... respectfully, and was pleasantly suprised by the way a unknown actor by the name of Hugh Jackman OWNED the role of wolverine.


expect the best of folks and you get good stuff, expect Perfection and you get nothing but disappointment.


kev

I hate to say it, but a lot of fans LIKED Singer's style, so that's why we still have the leather costumes. Personally, I would have preferred the (movie) Fantastic Four body suits, or the black Ultimate X-Men costumes for this movie, but hey, we have to consider the producers keeping in continuity with the previous films.

 

[kevhulk73]

I hate to say it, but a lot of fans LIKED Singer's style, so that's why we still have the leather costumes. Personally, I would have preferred the (movie) Fantastic Four body suits, or the black Ultimate X-Men costumes for this movie, but hey, we have to consider the producers keeping in continuity with the previous films.

I just think louise mingenbach has ZERO style or creativity. I don't expect to see literal translations of the comic costumes but some creativity other than piping and black leather....please.


AT LEAST Ratner acknowledged he would have liked to have had the freedom to change the costumes some.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

I just think louise mingenbach has ZERO style or creativity. I don't expect to see literal translations of the comic costumes but some creativity other than piping and black leather....please.


AT LEAST Ratner acknowledged he would have liked to have had the freedom to change the costumes some.

Oh believe me, I agree with you on changing the costumes. And if Ratner had any power or say so, we would have seen a change. In fact, I would say the costumes are worse now, than the previous films. Although I'm sure they're more comfortable for the actors, aesthetically, they aren't appeasing. That may be the producers wanting more identification of each characters mutant ability by embroidering it in stitch.... Bad idea.... If non-fans can't distinguish what the actors look like, or what each one can do, don't see the movie. These costumes are more icons, than standardized uniforms.

 

[kevhulk73]

Oh believe me, I agree with you on changing the costumes. And if Ratner had any power or say so, we would have seen a change. In fact, I would say the costumes are worse now, than the previous films. Although I'm sure they're more comfortable for the actors, aesthetically, they aren't appeasing. That may be the producers wanting more identification of each characters mutant ability by embroidering it in stitch.... Bad idea.... If non-fans can't distinguish what the actors look like, or what each one can do, don't see the movie. These costumes are more icons, than standardized uniforms.

sounds like we agree very well on that.

kev

 

[ProfeZZor X]

sounds like we agree very well on that.

kev

It's almost boarderline "Batman & Robin" and "Batman Forever". Not quite there yet, but getting there.

 

[Kurosawa]

Next to none. The direction of this movie was decided by the empty suits at FOX with some influence from the big stars of the movie, Berry and Jackman.

 

[kevhulk73]

Next to none. The direction of this movie was decided by the empty suits at FOX with some influence from the big stars of the movie, Berry and Jackman.

Your asesments of Jackman have been WAY off base in almost every post you make.

Jackman has consistantly been respectful of the material and the character of wolverine ( whom he plays) and is WIDELY reported as one of the nicest guys in hollywood.


You're delusional if you think hes some evil dictator , meddleing and trying to destroy the franchise..... While Halle has been very vocal about wanting a bigger part , hugh has never expresses a domineering persona ..........Pull back on your rabid hatred of the character.


where do you get this stuff from?

 

[Kurosawa]

Your asesments of Jackman have been WAY off base in almost every post you make.

Jackman has consistantly been respectful of the material and the character of wolverine ( whom he plays) and is WIDELY reported as one of the nicest guys in hollywood.


Your delusional if you think hes some evil dictator , meddleing and trying to destroy the franchise.....


where do you get this stuff from?

Of course Jackman respects the Wolverine character. If anything, his influence and stardom has helped the character get more moments to shine. Like stealing Cyclops' part in the Dark Phoenix Saga, for instance.

 

[kevhulk73]

Of course Jackman respects the Wolverine character. If anything, his influence and stardom has helped the character get more moments to shine. Like stealing Cyclops' part in the Dark Phoenix Saga, for instance.

again with NO proof and armed only with lunacy.........

Look Outside, the govenrment is there to get you, aliens are watchinhg and JFK is contolling it all at loch Ness !
Next to you Mulder was a skeptic!

 

[Kurosawa]

again with NO proof and armed only with lunacy.........

Look Outside, the govenrment is there to get you, aliens are watchinhg and JFK is contolling it all at loch Ness !
Next to you Mulder was a skeptic!

Have you not read the reviews? They took Cyclops part in the Dark Phoenix Saga and gave it to Wolverine. It stating the truth is lunacy, then yeah, I'm a lunatic.

Did Jackman influence them to do that? I doubt it. He didn't have to.

 

[kevhulk73]

Have you not read the reviews? They took Cyclops part in the Dark Phoenix Saga and gave it to Wolverine. It stating the truth is lunacy, then yeah, I'm a lunatic.

Did Jackman influence them to do that? I doubt it. He didn't have to.

NO They didn't. You haven't read the Pheonix saga have you....SCOTT NEVER TOOK JEANS LIFE. SCOTT NEVER DIED AT A LAKE...... the story was changed in some aspects to accomadate the fact that YOU CAN"T DO THE EXACT SAME STORY. Its too big ,the lead up was different, the characters are different, too expensive and the writers had to adjust around MARSDENs choices.


at least you admitted to the lunatic part..good for you

 

[Kurosawa]

NO They didn't. You haven't read the Pheonix saga have you....SCOTT NEVER TOOK JEANS LIFE. SCOTT NEVER DIED AT A LAKE...... the story was changed in some aspects to accomadate the fact that YOU CAN"T DO THE EXACT SAME STORY. Its too big ,the lead up was different, the characters are different, too expensive and the writers had to adjust around MARSDENs choices.


at least you admitted to the lunatic part..good for you

I read the Phoenix Saga when it first came out, which was probably years before you were even born.

Oh, yeah, like they couldn't have had Marsden saying the same lines that they gave to Wolverine-scenes that were Cyclops scenes in the comics. They changed the story to push Wolverine down people's throats further.

God, I hate Wolverine fanboys.